The McCanns...

[No2]

4 minutes ago, VladimirIlyich said:

Is there any,or much, evidence supporting a child kidnapping? If not then it's natural for the authorities to be suspicious of the parents,while also exploring other possibilities too.

I don't get the whole "no evidence of a kidnapping" thing. The side door on the main road was open, what evidence would they expect to find if someone walked in and carried a sleeping child out?

[Guest]

4 minutes ago, No2 said:

I don't get the whole "no evidence of a kidnapping" thing. The side door on the main road was open, what evidence would they expect to find if someone walked in and carried a sleeping child out?

A note saying 'We have kidnapped your child' would be pretty conclusive. 

[Pureblood]

15 minutes ago, No2 said:

I don't get the whole "no evidence of a kidnapping" thing. The side door on the main road was open, what evidence would they expect to find if someone walked in and carried a sleeping child out?

Footwear impressions, fingerprints, fibres, hair, reliable sightings (i.e. not Jane Tanner), traces of Maddie's DNA without Gerry having to go to Leicestershire to get it.  

[Numero Veinticinco]

1 minute ago, TK421 said:

Footwear impressions, fingerprints, fibres, hair, reliable sightings (i.e. not Jane Tanner), traces of Maddie's DNA without Gerry having to go to Leicestershire to get it.  

Honestly, I've not followed this closely enough to even form a serious opinion or put myself in one camp or the other. I assume you think they killed her? 

[Pureblood]

25 minutes ago, VladimirIlyich said:

Is there any,or much, evidence supporting a child kidnapping? If not then it's natural for the authorities to be suspicious of the parents,while also exploring other possibilities too.

Little evidence.  The Tanner sighting is clearly fabricated as it's riddled with inconsistencies and doesn't stand up to serious scrutiny.  The Smith sighting also has issues.  Other than that, the word of the McCanns. 

[Pureblood]

1 minute ago, Numero Veinticinco said:

Honestly, I've not followed this closely enough to even form a serious opinion or put myself in one camp or the other. I assume you think they killed her? 

I think she died in their care. 

[Numero Veinticinco]

1 minute ago, TK421 said:

I think she died in their care. 

Interesting. I guess we will never really know. 

[Pureblood]

1 minute ago, Numero Veinticinco said:

Interesting. I guess we will never really know. 

Probably not.

[VladimirIlyich]

1 hour ago, No2 said:

I don't get the whole "no evidence of a kidnapping" thing. The side door on the main road was open, what evidence would they expect to find if someone walked in and carried a sleeping child out?

Generally there are scientific traces,a report of any similar crimes or people with previous convictions relating to kidnapping,crimes towards children and so on. Its very rare that these child kidnaps or murders aren't part of something much bigger and therefore on police or interpol's radar.

I must say that I have no real opinion on this case as I have not really followed it although I would love the girl to be found. I think its natural to gravitate towards those who know her first and other possible causes too. A random child kidnap is a longer shot than parents causing her disappearance though. I have no idea if this is the case here or not.

[Babb'sBurstNad]

To me, them being able to cover up the death of their first born and go for tapas seems the longer shot. I guess we'll never know conclusively though.

[Guest]

2 hours ago, TK421 said:

I think she died in their care. 

It would certainly explain why they spent so long trying to find her and as far as I am aware they still are. 

[Babb'sBurstNad]

We've all put things down and forgotten where we left them though.

[Pureblood]

6 minutes ago, Shooter in the Motor said:

It would certainly explain why they spent so long trying to find her and as far as I am aware they still are. 

She's already been found.  By the dogs.

[No2]

54 minutes ago, VladimirIlyich said:

Generally there are scientific traces,a report of any similar crimes or people with previous convictions relating to kidnapping,crimes towards children and so on. Its very rare that these child kidnaps or murders aren't part of something much bigger and therefore on police or interpol's radar.

I must say that I have no real opinion on this case as I have not really followed it although I would love the girl to be found. I think its natural to gravitate towards those who know her first and other possible causes too. A random child kidnap is a longer shot than parents causing her disappearance though. I have no idea if this is the case here or not.

I get that but this case isn't normal. The very fact it's a hotel adds potentially hundreds of people's DNA to the scene and then we had the situation were seemingly dozens of people were in and out of the apartment that night.

 

With all of the above, an open door on to a main road and the fact there is fuck all evidence to the contrary to support any alternative I just don't see how anyone can rule out kidnapping. 

[Strontium]

Anyone who professes that they're sure what happened is speaking beyond the evidence.

[stringvest]

I’m sure the only thing I’m interested in about the case is the inscrutable angular hotness of the slapdash mum. 

[Bjornebye]

The best we can hope for is that she was kidnapped by some really friendly people who are bringing her up well and she is having a great life. Her re-appearing as a teenage girl or older would be up there with 9/11 in WTF news moments. 

[VladimirIlyich]

4 hours ago, No2 said:

I get that but this case isn't normal. The very fact it's a hotel adds potentially hundreds of people's DNA to the scene and then we had the situation were seemingly dozens of people were in and out of the apartment that night.

 

With all of the above, an open door on to a main road and the fact there is fuck all evidence to the contrary to support any alternative I just don't see how anyone can rule out kidnapping. 

I didn't rule out kidnapping myself but I just think its natural for the parents to have originally been suspects.

[General Dryness]

5 hours ago, stringvest said:

I’m sure the only thing I’m interested in about the case is the inscrutable angular hotness of the slapdash mum. 

Behave, you're old enough to be her ancestor. 

[Pureblood]

5 hours ago, No2 said:

I get that but this case isn't normal. The very fact it's a hotel adds potentially hundreds of people's DNA to the scene and then we had the situation were seemingly dozens of people were in and out of the apartment that night.

 

With all of the above, an open door on to a main road and the fact there is fuck all evidence to the contrary to support any alternative I just don't see how anyone can rule out kidnapping. 

The majority of the evidence points towards an accident in the apartment and that efforts were made to cover up removal of the body.  The Portuguese police became suspicious because of the statements of the McCanns and their friends.  Many of the early statements made, like the shutters being jemmied, were not true or conflicted with each other.  So evidence which would have supported an abduction didn't stand up to closer scrutiny.   When Kate refused to answer questions after being made arguido those suspicions hardened.  Then came the dog evidence.  So as time went by an abduction became extremely unlikely, with everything pointing towards Madeleine being deceased.   

 

The Portuguese Supreme Court, in the Amaral case, have stressed that the McCanns have never been officially cleared of suspected involvement.  This is at odds with Scotland Yard, who have ruled out the parents and proceeded on the abduction theory alone.  Very fishy.

[VladimirIlyich]

20 minutes ago, TK421 said:

The majority of the evidence points towards an accident in the apartment and that efforts were made to cover up removal of the body.  The Portuguese police became suspicious because of the statements of the McCanns and their friends.  Many of the early statements made, like the shutters being jemmied, were not true or conflicted with each other.  So evidence which would have supported an abduction didn't stand up to closer scrutiny.   When Kate refused to answer questions after being made arguido those suspicions hardened.  Then came the dog evidence.  So as time went by an abduction became extremely unlikely, with everything pointing towards Madeleine being deceased.   

 

The Portuguese Supreme Court, in the Amaral case, have stressed that the McCanns have never been officially cleared of suspected involvement.  This is at odds with Scotland Yard, who have ruled out the parents and proceeded on the abduction theory alone.  Very fishy.

Why have Scotland Yard ruled the parents out? Any evidence why?

[Pureblood]

5 minutes ago, VladimirIlyich said:

Why have Scotland Yard ruled the parents out? Any evidence why?

People have asked using freedom of information requests but get turned down.  They won't say why.

[Rico1304]

46 minutes ago, TK421 said:

The majority of the evidence points towards an accident in the apartment and that efforts were made to cover up removal of the body.  The Portuguese police became suspicious because of the statements of the McCanns and their friends.  Many of the early statements made, like the shutters being jemmied, were not true or conflicted with each other.  So evidence which would have supported an abduction didn't stand up to closer scrutiny.   When Kate refused to answer questions after being made arguido those suspicions hardened.  Then came the dog evidence.  So as time went by an abduction became extremely unlikely, with everything pointing towards Madeleine being deceased.   

 

The Portuguese Supreme Court, in the Amaral case, have stressed that the McCanns have never been officially cleared of suspected involvement.  This is at odds with Scotland Yard, who have ruled out the parents and proceeded on the abduction theory alone.  Very fishy.

Truly fucking mental.  

[VladimirIlyich]

1 minute ago, Rico1304 said:

Truly fucking mental.  

In what way? I'm interested to hear both sides here as what TK is saying about them covering it up does sound slightly plausible? What makes his theory batshit crazy?

[Rico1304]

26 minutes ago, VladimirIlyich said:

In what way? I'm interested to hear both sides here as what TK is saying about them covering it up does sound slightly plausible? What makes his theory batshit crazy?

The complete lack of evidence.  Complete.  

 

Ask the fucking stupid cunt if he’d be happy to be convicted on the same level of conjecture.