Israel - A Rant

[Bjornebye]

3 minutes ago, Jairzinho said:

 

It's very easy, you just say Hamas was there. Then you get full immunity to blow up whatever you want. Anyone critisises you, just say they're doing so because they hate Jewish people.

 

Which is mad because Hamas aren't in the West Bank. Said it all along, it's a land grab. 

 

This is interesting, I mean I've long called 'Zionists' racist but the UN confirmed it about 50 years ago. Facts which some can't deal with. Yes, you. 

 

 

[TheHowieLama]

13 minutes ago, Bjornebye said:

Would. 

 

It's a cat so that fingers.

 

 

Erm, figures.

[Bjornebye]

2 minutes ago, TheHowieLama said:

 

It's a cat so that fingers.

 

 

Erm, figures.

 

That was the joke... 

[Bjornebye]

10 minutes ago, Bjornebye said:

 

Which is mad because Hamas aren't in the West Bank. Said it all along, it's a land grab. 

 

This is interesting, I mean I've long called 'Zionists' racist but the UN confirmed it about 50 years ago. Facts which some can't deal with. Yes, you. 

 

 

 

Knew it. Barely 2 minutes. FACTS wink wink. 

[SasaS]

1 hour ago, Jairzinho said:

 

I mean, they criticise modern society because it isn't right wing enough. They're basically Andrew Tate for people who can spell their own name. It's true that more than anything else they're grifters.

 

They are where you go to talk when they sack you from your university lecturer job for saying or not saying something. A bit of a Poundland Intellectual Dark Web. They have interesting guests every now and then.  

[Bjornebye]

The Kop did innocent Palestinians proud yesterday. Proud to be a Red. 

 

[Nelly-Szoboszlai]

59 minutes ago, Bjornebye said:

What’s caused that other than systematically being cunts? 

Allegedly had Hamas tunnels under it. 

[Jairzinho]

27 minutes ago, SasaS said:

 

They are where you go to talk when they sack you from your university lecturer job for saying or not saying something. A bit of a Poundland Intellectual Dark Web. They have interesting guests every now and then.  

 

Yeah, and there are definitely left wing versions as well. 

 

"We were CANCELLED and now can we have your money please."

[Bjornebye]

Horrible evil lying cunt k*lvin mckenzcunt saying he's craving revenge from Israel. Imagine being the type of horrible cuntworm that's on the same side as that cunt and tommy robinson. Fucking scum. 

 

https://x.com/mish_rahman/status/1716034486377263374?s=20

 

 

[ZonkoVille77]

2 hours ago, Gnasher said:

 

Hmm.

 

 

 

 

"The wrong kind of Jew"

[ZonkoVille77]

8 hours ago, Captain Willard said:

I googled the cartoons. The trope is well known.

I’m not going to bother with this place anymore. 2 weeks after the biggest single massacre of Jews since the hololcaust and people in here are calling Jews rats and saying “it’s getting  harder not to be an anti semite”.
 

I’m done. 

 

Captain Fucktard.

[Jairzinho]

Just now, ZonkoVille77 said:

 

Captain Fucktard.

 

Captain Fuckedoff, thankfully.

[an tha]

Great piece from Thomas Friedman in today's NYT.  https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/19/opinion/biden-speech-israel-gaza.html

Israel Is About to Make a Terrible Mistake
Oct. 19, 2023

I have great admiration for how President Biden has used his empathy and physical presence in Israel to convince Israelis that they are not alone in their war against the barbaric Hamas, while trying to reach out to moderate Palestinians. Biden, I know, tried really hard to get Israeli leaders to pause in their rage and think three steps ahead — not only about how to get into Gaza to take down Hamas but also about how to get out — and how to do it with the fewest civilian casualties possible.

While the president expressed deep understanding of Israel’s moral and strategic dilemma, he pleaded with Israeli military and political leaders to learn from America’s rush to war after Sept. 11, which took our troops deep into the dead ends and dark alleys of unfamiliar cities and towns in Iraq and Afghanistan.

However, from everything I have gleaned from senior U.S. officials, Biden failed to get Israel to hold back and think through all the implications of an invasion of Gaza for Israel and the United States. So let me put this in as stark and clear language as I can, because the hour is late:

I believe that if Israel rushes headlong into Gaza now to destroy Hamas — and does so without expressing a clear commitment to seek a two-state solution with the Palestinian Authority and end Jewish settlements deep in the West Bank — it will be making a grave mistake that will be devastating for Israeli interests and American interests.

It could trigger a global conflagration and explode the entire pro-American alliance structure that the United States has built in the region since Henry Kissinger engineered the end of the Yom Kippur War in 1973.

I am talking about the Camp David peace treaty, the Oslo peace accords, the Abraham Accords and the possible normalization of relations between Israel and Saudi Arabia. The whole thing could go up in flames.

This is not about whether Israel has the right to retaliate against Hamas for the savage barbarism it inflicted on Israeli men, women, babies and grandparents. It surely does. This is about doing it the right way — the way that does not play into the hands of Hamas, Iran and Russia.

If Israel goes into Gaza and takes months to kill or capture every Hamas leader and soldier but does so while expanding Jewish settlements in the West Bank — thereby making any two-state solution there with the more moderate Palestinian Authority impossible — there will be no legitimate Palestinian or Arab League or European or U.N. or NATO coalition that will ever be prepared to go into Gaza and take it off Israel’s hands.

There will be no one to extract Israel and no one to help Israel pay the cost of caring for more than two million Gazans — not if Israel is run by a government that thinks, and acts, as if it can justifiably exact its revenge on Hamas while unjustifiably building an apartheidlike society run by Jewish supremacists in the West Bank. That is a completely incoherent policy.

Alas, though, a senior U.S. official told me that the Biden team left Jerusalem feeling that while Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu of Israel understands that overreach in Gaza could set the whole neighborhood ablaze, his right-wing coalition partners are eager to fan the flames in the West Bank. Settlers there have killed at least seven Palestinian civilians in acts of revenge in just the past week.

Meanwhile, U.S. officials told me, the representatives of those settlers in the cabinet are withholding tax money owed the Palestinian Authority, making it harder for it to keep the West Bank as under control as it has been since the start of the Hamas war.

Netanyahu should not allow this, but he has trapped himself. He needs those right-wing extremists in his coalition to keep himself out of jail on corruption charges.

But he is going to put all of Israel into the jail of Gaza unless he breaks with those Jewish supremacists.

Unfortunately, the senior U.S. official told me, Israeli military leaders are actually more hawkish than the prime minister now. They are red with rage and determined to deliver a blow to Hamas that the whole neighborhood will never forget.

I understand why. But friends don’t let friends drive while enraged. Biden has to tell this Israeli government that taking over Gaza without pairing it with a totally new approach to settlements, the West Bank and a two-state solution would be a disaster for Israel and a disaster for America.

 

We can help, we can even insist, that our Arab and European allies work to create a more effective, less corrupt and more legitimate Palestinian Authority in the West Bank that, after some transition in Gaza, could help govern there as well. But not without a fundamental change in Israeli policy toward the PA and the Jewish settlers.

Otherwise, what began as a Hamas onslaught against Israel has the potential to trigger a Middle East war with every great power and regional power having a hand in it — which would make it very difficult to stop once it started.

In the first week of this conflict, the supreme leader of Iran and Hassan Nasrallah, the leader of the Hezbollah militia in Lebanon, appeared to be keeping very tight control of their militiamen on the border with Israel and in Iraq, Syria and Yemen. But as the second week has gone on, U.S. officials have picked up increasing signs that both leaders are letting their forces more aggressively attack Israeli targets and that they might attack American targets if the United States intervenes. They smell the logic of how much an Israeli invasion of Gaza could help their goal of driving America out of the whole region.

On Thursday, a U.S. Navy warship in the northern Red Sea shot down three cruise missiles and several drones, apparently launched by the pro-Iranian Houthi militia in Yemen, that might have been headed toward Israel. More missiles, likely from pro-Iranian militias, were fired at U.S. forces in Iraq and Syria.

So many rockets are now coming from the pro-Iranian Hezbollah militia in South Lebanon that we are one degree away from a full-scale missile war between Israel and Iran’s proxies — and very possibly directly between Israel and Iran.

Israel is not likely to let Iran use its proxies to hit Israel without eventually firing a missile directly at Tehran. Israel has missile-armed submarines that are probably in the Persian Gulf as we speak. If that gets going, it’s Katie, bar the door.

The United States, Russia and China could all be drawn in directly or indirectly.

What makes the situation triply dangerous is that even if Israel acts with herculean restraint to prevent civilian deaths in Gaza, it won’t matter. Think of what happened at Gaza City’s Ahli Arab Hospital on Tuesday.

As the Israeli columnist Nahum Barnea pointed out to me, Palestinian Islamic Jihad achieved more this week with an apparently misfired rocket “than it achieved in all of its successful missile launches.”

How so? After that rocket failed and fell on the Palestinian hospital in Gaza, killing scores of people, Hamas and Islamic Jihad rushed out and claimed — with no evidence — that Israel had deliberately bombed the hospital, setting streets ablaze across the Arab world. When Israel and the United States offered compelling evidence a few hours later that Islamic Jihad accidentally hit the Gaza hospital with its own rocket, it was already too late. The Arab street was on fire, and a meeting of Arab leaders with Biden was canceled.

If people cannot talk openly and honestly about a misfired rocket, imagine what will happen when the first major Israeli invasion of Gaza begins in our wired world, linked by social networks and polluted with misinformation amplified by artificial intelligence.

That is why I believe that Israel would be much better off framing any Gaza operation as “Operation Save Our Hostages” — rather than “Operation End Hamas Once and for All” — and carrying it out, if possible, with repeated surgical strikes and special forces that can still get the Hamas leadership but also draw the brightest possible line between Gazan civilians and the Hamas dictatorship.

But if Israel feels it must reoccupy Gaza to destroy Hamas and restore its deterrence and security — I repeat — it must pair that military operation with a new commitment to pursue a two-state solution with those Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza ready to make peace with Israel.

The hour is late. I have never written a column this urgent before because I have never been more worried about how this situation could spin out of control in ways that could damage Israel irreparably, damage U.S. interests irreparably, damage Palestinians irreparably, threaten Jews everywhere and destabilize the whole world.

I beg Biden to tell Israelis this immediately — for their sake, for America’s sake, for the sake of Palestinians, for the sake of the world.

[Anubis]

An Israeli tank has shelled an Egyptian border post by mistake.

[Bjornebye]

6 minutes ago, Anubis said:

An Israeli tank has shelled an Egyptian border post by mistake.

 

Oh fuck. Definitely a 'mistake'. 

[ZonkoVille77]

https://x.com/ShaykhSulaiman/status/1715871994460156401?s=20

 

How can you watch this and not get angry.

[Bjornebye]

Let's see if this one gets a sly neg....

 

 

 

[ZonkoVille77]

Another racist, Islamaphobe dropping negs on people without getting involved with the discussion. What is it about right-wing racists that's makes them such cowards? Care to answer @Dave D ?? At least the other racist, Islamaphobic cunt, Captain Fucktard, has the balls to get involved. 

 

Unless Dave D is some other cunts 2nd account....

[Nelly-Szoboszlai]

Up the Hoops! 

[VERBAL DIARRHEA]

Who would win in the fight between Willard and an Octopus? I was way ahead of the curve.

[Jimmy Hills Chin]

15 minutes ago, VERBAL DIARRHEA said:

Who would win in the fight between Willard and an Octopus? I was way ahead of the curve.

Does the octopus have a flick knife?

[Kevin D]

28 minutes ago, Nelly-Matip said:

Up the Hoops! 

The Telegraph are appalled:

 

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/rugby-union/2023/10/22/celtic-fans-resist-club-wave-dozen-palestine-flags-hearts/
 

Celtic supporters doubled down against criticism from their own club over Palestinian support by waving 60 or more flags in the away end against Hearts.

Swathes of the 650-strong away section at Tynecastle Park held up the country’s colours despite the club condemning pro-Palestine banners a fortnight ago.

 

After a win over Kilmarnock, the club had stressed that “political messages and banners” were not welcome at any Celtic game. That previous display came hours after militant group Hamas launched an unprecedented attack on Israel, killing hundreds of residents and taking dozens of hostages, leading to retaliatory strikes from Israel.

 

However, on a weekend which saw about 100,000 demonstrators turn out in central London to show their support for Palestine, flags were on display at several matches.

 

At Anfield, a handful of Liverpool fans, who have a Friends of Palestine supporters group, waved flags prior to their Premier League victory over Everton.

In the build up to the weekend, the Premier League told clubs that supporters were not permitted to bring Palestine or Israel flags into stadiums, in an effort to avoid potential incidents.

 

The decision follows consultancy with security experts and the clubs themselves, and is in line with the Football Association’s approach to the recent England internationals at Wembley. The English Football League took the same stance.

 

In Scotland, Celtic fans have long displayed Palestine flags at games, but this was done in bigger numbers than ever ahead of their 4-1 victory over Hearts.

 

A similar display is also planned for Tuesday night’s Champions League game against Atletico Madrid, according to reports in Scotland. A host of Premier League players have spoken out over the conflict.

 

Liverpool and Egypt forward Mohamed Salah called for the killing to stop and for immediate humanitarian aid to be allowed into Gaza, as supplies of water and food run out.

 

Tottenham’s Israeli international Manor Solomon also posted on Instagram, claiming Hamas were “blaming Israel for killing their own people” after the bombing of a Gaza hospital.

[VERBAL DIARRHEA]

9 minutes ago, Jimmy Hills Chin said:

Does the octopus have a flick knife?

8.

[Jimmy Hills Chin]

3 minutes ago, VERBAL DIARRHEA said:

8.

Gotta go for Paul in that scenario 

[an tha]

12 minutes ago, Kevin D said:

The Telegraph are appalled:

 

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/rugby-union/2023/10/22/celtic-fans-resist-club-wave-dozen-palestine-flags-hearts/
 

Celtic supporters doubled down against criticism from their own club over Palestinian support by waving 60 or more flags in the away end against Hearts.

Swathes of the 650-strong away section at Tynecastle Park held up the country’s colours despite the club condemning pro-Palestine banners a fortnight ago.

 

After a win over Kilmarnock, the club had stressed that “political messages and banners” were not welcome at any Celtic game. That previous display came hours after militant group Hamas launched an unprecedented attack on Israel, killing hundreds of residents and taking dozens of hostages, leading to retaliatory strikes from Israel.

 

However, on a weekend which saw about 100,000 demonstrators turn out in central London to show their support for Palestine, flags were on display at several matches.

 

At Anfield, a handful of Liverpool fans, who have a Friends of Palestine supporters group, waved flags prior to their Premier League victory over Everton.

In the build up to the weekend, the Premier League told clubs that supporters were not permitted to bring Palestine or Israel flags into stadiums, in an effort to avoid potential incidents.

 

The decision follows consultancy with security experts and the clubs themselves, and is in line with the Football Association’s approach to the recent England internationals at Wembley. The English Football League took the same stance.

 

In Scotland, Celtic fans have long displayed Palestine flags at games, but this was done in bigger numbers than ever ahead of their 4-1 victory over Hearts.

 

A similar display is also planned for Tuesday night’s Champions League game against Atletico Madrid, according to reports in Scotland. A host of Premier League players have spoken out over the conflict.

 

Liverpool and Egypt forward Mohamed Salah called for the killing to stop and for immediate humanitarian aid to be allowed into Gaza, as supplies of water and food run out.

 

Tottenham’s Israeli international Manor Solomon also posted on Instagram, claiming Hamas were “blaming Israel for killing their own people” after the bombing of a Gaza hospital.

If you ever doubt whether you are on the right side of an argument finding your stance causes outrage in the tory and right wing media usually removes any doubt.