Keir Starmer

[Gnasher]

56 minutes ago, Arniepie said:

think we can safely assume starmer hasnt cosied upto murdoch

 

Can we? He's definitely gone to his get togethers.

 

Or does it prove its now ultimately pointless? He's losing as much as he gains. 

 

That page today is a real hatchet job, it's a bad blast from the past. 

[Arniepie]

3 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

 

Can we? He's definitely gone to his get togethers.

 

Or does it prove its now ultimately pointless? He's losing as much as he gains. 

 

That page today is a real hatchet job, it's a bad blast from the past. 

the rag is giving him both barells today

[Gnasher]

14 minutes ago, Arniepie said:

the rag is giving him both barells today

Yeah you can tell its election year. 

[Arniepie]

4 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

Yeah you can tell its election year. 

my guess is murdoch has offered some time of deal and starmer has fucked him off.

he must now sunak has no chance.

[Section_31]

"Starmer saved killers"

 

Yeah, from the death penalty. They still got sent down. 

 

Harry Cole in the house, not even 40 yet apparently.

 

 

[Arniepie]

14 minutes ago, Section_31 said:

"Starmer saved killers"

 

Yeah, from the death penalty. They still got sent down. 

 

Harry Cole in the house, not even 40 yet apparently.

 

 

I Can honestly say,id never tire of smacking boris johnson in the face,with a shovel,repeatedly.  

[Arniepie]

[AngryOfTuebrook]

5 hours ago, Gnasher said:

 

 

Page doing the rounds of today Scum and its so bad it's laughable. Basically a pic of Starmer in his wig and saying he set free axe murderers and rapists. So much for his mats Rupert. 

 

Another load of nonsense is this thing with his kids. Not often I stick up for him but what's it got to do with anything or anyone? Pitiful.

 

I won't put the Scum page up (it's bad) here's some of the other nonsense.

 

 

 

 

 

On the subject of the post office, they brought private prosecutions so nothing to do with Starmer.

The future PM having a child "would have huge implications for policy"?

 

How does"Fuck off " sound?

[skend04]

https://x.com/BritainElects/status/1744666246182813837?s=20

 

Can't believe that Gnasher failed to post this. I thought he was back on poll watch but he must have just forgotten.

[Section_31]

The man's tongue didn't come through customs.

[Curly]

21 hours ago, Planet Origi said:

 

One for Jack the fucking rat @Jack the Sipper.

Shame on any one who votes for these genocide supporting twats. 

Who are you going to vote for?

[Curly]

9 hours ago, Section_31 said:

Funny as fuck trying to pin the post office bollocks on him, given that a big part of the actual TV show is about how the Post Office run their own prosecutions, and have done for three centuries.

 

I hate this country. 

It’s off its tits the British public isn’t it?

 

I just avoid talking about any of it to anyone now. No doubt I’ll have this misinformation regaled to me at some point, because someone will have heard or seen it somewhere, probably twitter, and take it as fact.

 

Miserable 

[Kevin D]

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2024/jan/10/adopting-rightwing-policies-does-not-help-centre-left-win-votes
 

Adopting rightwing policies on issues such as immigration and the economy does not help centre-left parties win votes, according to new analysis of European electoral and polling data.

 

Faced with a 20-year decline in their vote share, accompanied by rising support for the right, far right and sometimes the far left, social democratic parties across Europe have increasingly sought salvation by moving towards the political centre.

 

However the analysis, published on Wednesday, shows that centre-left parties promising, for example, to be tough on immigration or unrelenting on public spending are both unlikely to attract potential voters on the right, and risk alienating existing progressive supporters.

 

“Voters tend to prefer the original to the copy,” said Tarik Abou-Chadi, an associate professor of European politics at the University of Oxford and the co-founder of the Progressive Politics Research Network (PPRNet), which launched on Wednesday.

 

Abou-Chadi said the team of political scientists, from universities including Barcelona, Lausanne, Vienna, Zurich and Berlin, was not “aiming to advise or act as political consultants” but to present “careful, empirical, data-based” research.

 

“We’re looking to provide a more solid, accurate foundation for an open political debate about progressive politics, who votes for progressive parties and why, and the strategies available to them,” he said. “That involves a bit of myth-busting.”

One of the most significant misperceptions the team’s work had revealed, he said, concerned the nature of support for centre-left parties in Europe. “Social structures have been utterly transformed since the heyday of social democracy,” Abou-Chadi said.

 

“The average social democratic voter today is very, very different from 50, even 20 years ago – and unlikely to be an industrial worker. The data also shows much of this new constituency is actually both culturally progressive and economically leftwing.”

 

Analysis showed little real voter competition between the centre left and the radical right, as some social democratic politicians argue. Progressive parties “need to understand and represent the social structures of the 21st century”, Abou-Chadi said.

 

One of the key lessons was that “trying to imitate rightwing positions is just not a successful strategy for the left”, he said. Two studies in particular, looking at so-called welfare chauvinism and fiscal policy, illustrated the point, the researchers said.

 

Björn Bremer of the Central European University in Vienna said a survey in Spain, Italy, the UK and Germany and larger datasets from 12 EU countries showed that since the financial crisis of 2008, “fiscal orthodoxy” had been a vote loser for the centre left.

 

“Social democratic parties that have backed austerity fail to win the support of voters worried about public debt, and lose the backing of those who oppose austerity,” Bremer said. “Centre-left parties that actually impose austerity lose votes.”

 

As an example, Bremer cited the UK Labour party’s losing 2015 election campaign, which focused on fiscal responsibility. “[When] voters really care about fiscal policy, they’ll go for the ‘issue owner’ – in this instance, the Conservatives, who they’ll always believe are more credible on that question,” he said.

 

Fiscal orthodoxy – cutting taxes, capping spending, limiting public debt – worked for social democratic parties such as Tony Blair’s New Labour and Gerhard Schröder’s SPD in Germany, but that was “a period of relative stability and growth”, he said.

 

“We’re now in a different era. The data strongly suggests centre-left parties can build a coalition of voters who believe a strong welfare state, effective public services and real investment, for example in the green transition, are essential,” Bremer said.

 

“But doing the opposite – offering a contradictory programme that promotes austerity but promises to protect public services and the welfare state, and hoping voters will swallow such fairytales – failed in the 2010s, and is likely to fail again.”

 

Similarly, said Matthias Enggist of the University of Lausanne, analysis of data from eight European countries showed no evidence that welfare chauvinism – broadly, restricting immigrants’ access to welfare – was a successful strategy for the left.

“There’s little support for it among actual leftwing voters – Green, social democrat or radical left – or potential leftwing voters on the right,” Enggist said. “And leftwing voters mostly really dislike discrimination between immigrants and nationals.”

 

Voters who do support welfare chauvinism, meanwhile, are likely to not even consider voting for a left-leaning party, he said, adding there was no evidence that this was a strategy to win back enough traditional working-class votes to significantly boost the electoral fortunes of left parties.

 

Even in Denmark, where a Social Democrat-led government has introduced one of Europe’s toughest anti-immigration regimes, electoral data suggested that restricting immigrants’ rights is not popular with a significant number of the party’s voters.

 

Politicians on the left who argue the case for welfare chauvinism “overestimate its potential to win new voters”, Enggist said.

 

“The evidence clearly shows they overestimate the electoral relevance of traditional, white working-class voters – and underestimate how strongly their current middle-class voters care about immigrants being treated decently and equally.”

 

 

 

 

 

[Gnasher]

And...another uturn. No idea what number this is, lost count. Great timing though, as the Palestinians are currently the victims of a genocide. Nice.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Gnasher]

Israel control Labour. 

 

https://tribunemag.co.uk/2024/01/labour-has-no-hiding-place-on-palestine?s=09

 

 

[Arniepie]

He could drown kittens at this stage,we just need those cunts gone.

Judge him when he is in power,if he does turn out to be a watered down tory then that's down to the left putting up a realistic alternative. 

[Gnasher]

6 minutes ago, Arniepie said:

He could drown kittens at this stage,we just need those cunts gone.

Judge him when he is in power,if he does turn out to be a watered down tory then that's down to the left putting up a realistic alternative. 

 

He's supporting a country committing genocide. It's not kitten's being killed in Gaza.   

[Arniepie]

2 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

 

He's supporting a country committing genocide. It's not kitten's being killed in Gaza.   

So..what's the alternative?

[Gnasher]

1 minute ago, Arniepie said:

So..what's the alternative?

 

To not be subservient.

[Arniepie]

1 minute ago, Gnasher said:

 

To not be subservient.

Not really an answer Gnash

We all refuse to vote Labour because of his stance on Israel.

What then?

[Gnasher]

Just now, Arniepie said:

Not really an answer Gnash

We all refuse to vote Labour because of his stance on Israel.

What then?

 

Starmer and this Labour Party have given me far far more reasons not to vote Labour than just their unwavering support of Israel. 

 

If you think they deserve your vote you carry on. I genuinely believe the Labour Party are controlled by some of the most evil people on earth. 

[Arniepie]

1 minute ago, Gnasher said:

 

Starmer and this Labour Party have given me far far more reasons not to vote Labour than just their unwavering support of Israel. 

 

If you think they deserve your vote you carry on. I genuinely believe the Labour Party are controlled by some of the most evil people on earth. 

So..you are happy for the Tories to have another 5 years,?

[Gnasher]

4 minutes ago, Arniepie said:

So..you are happy for the Tories to have another 5 years,?

 

Yawn, don't put words in my mouth. Their is more than two options on a ballot paper and then you can abstain if you wish. 

 

I'll probably vote Plaid Cymru but I may vote Green. Labour and the Tories are both evil. Evil people evil ideas, evil rhetoric.

 

 

 

 

 

[Arniepie]

2 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

 

Yawn, don't put words in my mouth. Their is more than two options on a ballot paper and then you can abstain if you wish. 

 

I'll probably vote Plaid Cymru but I may vote Green. Labour and the Tories are both evil. Evil people evil ideas, evil rhetoric.

 

 

 

 

 

I'm not.

It's hardly likely the greens are going to get in,is it?

[Gnasher]

Just now, Arniepie said:

I'm not.

It's hardly likely the greens are going to get in,is it?

 

You commented on an unimaginable horror photo earlier. Now you're going to put a cross against it. Good for you. Not for me.

 

 

I think I know how our political system works I've also got a very good idea how both Plaid Cymru and the Green party might do, thanks anyway.