Should Corbyn remain as Labour leader?

[Sugar Ape]

Have the NEC given an official reason for suspending CLP meetings?

Labour’s top official today warned of the impact of harassment but also told members they could hold constituency or branch gatherings meetings for certain purposes despite the temporary suspension of meetings.

 

Iain McNicol, general secretary, said there had been a “marked increase” in reports of threats and intimidation at party meetings, and said the National Executive Committee had a responsibility to those who feel threatened, which had led to the decision to suspend normal branch and constituency meetings until the end of the leadership contest.

 

However, McNicol outlined the exceptions to the ban, saying meetings were permitted when they were organised to nominate a leadership candidate, for essential conference preparation and for by-election or mayoral campaigning. He went on to say regional directors could permit other business to go ahead.

 

“In recent months there has been a marked increase in reports of intimidation and threatening behaviour taking place at party meetings,” McNicol wrote in an email to party members.

 

“Whilst the NEC recognises that the majority of our members hold vigorous yet collegiate meetings, the NEC has a duty of care for individuals who feel that their safety is threatened. It was therefore saddened to have to take the decision to suspend all normal party meetings at CLP and branch level until the completion of the leadership election.”

 

“This means any CLP meeting already scheduled should be postponed until after the completion of the leadership election. This is with immediate effect.”

[Gnasher]

Of course you do, because you suffer from confirmation bias and try to search for evidence that you think proves your preconceived theories right and dismiss anything that doesn't agree with if.

Also, do the rules state ballots are not secret? If so, how were they able to hold a secret ballot? If a majority of the NEC want it to be secret then it is.

 

They voted on a secret ballot and she got a secret ballot. Good for her.

 

 

Here is the women who actually received the tweet,

 

 

Take a look at @OwenJones84's Tweet: https://twitter.com/OwenJones84/status/753858905604751360?s=09

 

Hope she's ok.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

I'm clearly not conflating what Berger has been through with Owen Jones at all. Vlad has tried to whittle down the abuse people have received to a bit of vandalism and a brick thrown through a window. I'm demonstrating that it is clearly a lot worse than that for some people. And it is.

 

The Echo report stated the death threat which said she was going to get it like Jo Cox also called her Jewish scum so, whether she's received antisemitic abuse in the past or not isn't really relevant to anything I've said.

I wasn't saying that you were deliberately trying to conflate the two, just that it's unhelpful to bring it up (without any obvious distinctions) in a discussion of whether or not Corbyn supporters have been guilty of intimidation.

[Sugar Ape]

They voted on a secret ballot and she got a secret ballot. Good for her.

 

 

Here is the women who actually received the tweet,

 

 

Take a look at @OwenJones84's Tweet: https://twitter.com/OwenJones84/status/753858905604751360?s=09

 

Hope she's ok.

Outlandish idea like, so bear with me, but maybe she isn't the person Baxter is referring to. Since she didn't have a problem with it. Jones himself says he texted a few NEC members.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

Labour’s top official today warned of the impact of harassment but also told members they could hold constituency or branch gatherings meetings for certain purposes despite the temporary suspension of meetings.

 

Iain McNicol, general secretary, said there had been a “marked increase” in reports of threats and intimidation at party meetings, and said the National Executive Committee had a responsibility to those who feel threatened, which had led to the decision to suspend normal branch and constituency meetings until the end of the leadership contest.

 

However, McNicol outlined the exceptions to the ban, saying meetings were permitted when they were organised to nominate a leadership candidate, for essential conference preparation and for by-election or mayoral campaigning. He went on to say regional directors could permit other business to go ahead.

 

“In recent months there has been a marked increase in reports of intimidation and threatening behaviour taking place at party meetings,” McNicol wrote in an email to party members.

 

“Whilst the NEC recognises that the majority of our members hold vigorous yet collegiate meetings, the NEC has a duty of care for individuals who feel that their safety is threatened. It was therefore saddened to have to take the decision to suspend all normal party meetings at CLP and branch level until the completion of the leadership election.”

 

“This means any CLP meeting already scheduled should be postponed until after the completion of the leadership election. This is with immediate effect.”

Vague and unsubstantiated allegations of "a marked increase in intimidation".

 

They really don't like democracy, do they?

[Sugar Ape]

I wasn't saying that you were deliberately trying to conflate the two, just that it's unhelpful to bring it up (without any obvious distinctions) in a discussion of whether or not Corbyn supporters have been guilty of intimidation.

The only thing I've been saying is that * some * MPs and associated people like the NEC Union rep have been receiving abuse, some of it heavy, but I've also been clear to spell out that * some * MPs such as Kinnock are full of shit and are stirring things up and that Corbyn supporters and the man himself have also been on the receiving end.

 

I brought Berger up in response to a post that seemed to indicate it was just a bit of vandalism and a brick through a window to contrast that it's a bit more serious than that for some people.

 

They've got the person who made the threats to Berger incidentally and he's admitted it so at least we know that one isn't made up. Seems he sent her a picture of a knife and a death threat and also has previous for sending rape threats. Obviously she's received abuse before but after Jo Cox I'd be surprised if all MPs weren't taking such threats more seriously now.

 

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/web-troll-admits-sending-vile-11614252.amp

 

A man has admitted sending a death threat to Wavertree MP Luciana Berger .

 

And the web trolling past of John Nimmo, who is set to jailed, has now emerged.

 

 

The 28-year-old has previously targeted both feminist campaigner Caroline Criado-Perez and Stella Creasy, the Labour MP for Walthamstow, with sick online abuse.

 

On Wednesday, at South Tyneside magistrates court, Nimmo pleaded guilty to sending a letter or communication that “caused anxiety or distress” to the Labour politician.

 

Ms Berger called in police after receiving sickening anti-Semitic death threats, including one that said: “You are going to get it like Jo Cox did.”

 

The threats - which were sent online along with a photograph of a large kitchen knife - are also said to have made reference to her religious faith with one message warning her: “You better watch your back”.

 

Ms Berger, Jeremy Corbyn’s former shadow minister for mental health, contacted police after receiving the threat shortly after finishing her regular Friday afternoon MP’s surgery last week.

 

Nimmo was jailed for eight weeks in January 2014 for subjecting feminist campaigner Caroline Criado-Perez to abuse on Twitter.

 

Nimmo, whose abuse led to Ms Criado-Perez “suffering life-changing psychological effects from the abuse”, made rape threats.

 

At the January 2014 hearing, his lawyer described Nimmo as a “somewhat sad individual” who had suffered bullying at school.

 

The troller was said to be a social recluse “who rarely leaves the house but to empty the bins,” the lawyer added.

 

Nimmo also targeted his abuse at Stella Creasy, the Labour MP for Walthamstow.

 

He was detained by police after BBC Newsnight handed over material police which led them to Nimmo’s social media activity.

 

Investigations revealed he had sent 20 tweets to one of the women and four tweets to the other, using six separate Twitter accounts.

 

Scotland Yard got involved in the enquiry to prosecute Nimmo who “acted to cover his identity, anonymously sending messages that were deliberately designed to cause fear and apprehension.”

 

Nimmo, of Moreland Road in South Shields, Tyneside, was remanded in custody on Wednesday.

 

He will be sentenced later this month.

 

Reacting to the threats against her, Ms Berger said: “My gratitude goes to Merseyside Police for their swift action.

 

“Behaviour like this seeks to threaten our democracy. Intimidation of any kind should never be tolerated.”

 

Ms Berger has been sent thousands of anti-Semitic insults and threats online since becoming an MP.

 

Neo-Nazi Garron Helm, 21, of Litherland , was jailed for four weeks in October 2014 after sending messages using the hashtag ‘Hitlerwasright’. Some 2,500 further vile copycat messages followed in just a few days.

 

Last month Joshua Bonehill-Paine was charged with allegedly using social media to harass the Shadow Minister for Mental Health between October 2014 and January 2015.

 

Mr Bonehill-Paine, from Yeovil, Somerset,is alleged to have posted a series of articles online that amounted to harassment of the MP and were of a racially or religiously aggravated nature.

 

Ms Berger was elected was Britain’s youngest Jewish MP in 2010.

[Sugar Ape]

Vague and unsubstantiated allegations of "a marked increase in intimidation".

 

They really don't like democracy, do they?

I got this email yesterday:

 

 

However I had another one this morning saying actually the meeting is cancelled until further notice so seems someone has got on their case about it.

[dennis tooth]

I don't understand why someone would choose to remain a member of an organisation that treated them in such an appalling way.

says the man who says if you don't like something join and change it or vote to change it.

[Anubis]

Have the NEC given an official reason for suspending CLP meetings?

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Following this week's meeting of Labour's National Executive Committee, I can now confirm the full timetable for the Leadership Election, and the role you can play in it.

 

Because you are a party member who joined on or before 12 January, you are entitled to vote to decide who leads the Labour Party. You must keep your membership payments up-to-date or you will lose this right.

 

You can find the full timetable and details at labour.org.uk/leadership, but here are the key dates:

Monday 18 July at 7pm — Nominations open (MPs and MEPs)

Thursday 21 July at Noon — Nominations close

Friday 22 July — Hustings period begin

Monday 8 August at Noon — Members must be fully paid up and in compliance to be eligible to vote

Week beginning Monday 22 August — Ballots packs will begin to be despatched (you'll receive yours in the fortnight following)

Wednesday 14 September — last date to request a reissue of your ballot

Wednesday 21 September at Noon — Ballot closes

Saturday 24 September — Special conference to announce result

In recent months there has been a marked increase in reports of intimidation and threatening behaviour taking place at party meetings. Whilst the NEC recognises that the majority of our members hold vigorous yet collegiate meetings, the NEC has a duty of care for individuals who feel that their safety is threatened. It was therefore saddened to have to take the decision to suspend all normal party meetings at CLP and branch level until the completion of the leadership election.

 

However, in recognition that there is some essential business which must be agreed by CLPs, the NEC has made a number of exceptions to this suspension while this timetable is in place.

 

Meetings able to go ahead as agreed by the NEC include those:

Meetings solely for the purpose of making a supporting nomination in the leadership contest and for essential Annual Conference business

Campaign planning meetings for by-elections or devolved mayor campaigns

Any other meetings (Such as Executive Committee meetings) with the explicit permission of the Regional Director (General Secretary).

Meetings which go ahead under these exceptions will not consider ordinary motions or other business, except as explicitly agreed by the Regional Director.

 

This means any CLP meeting already scheduled should be postponed until after the completion of the leadership election. This is with immediate effect.

 

You will receive ballot papers in the post, and electronically by email.

 

The election will be contested using a One Person One Vote system. For full details of the voting system, go to labour.org.uk/leadership.

 

Thank you for your support.

 

Iain

 

Iain McNicol

General Secretary of the Labour Party

In short, shutting down dissent. As you say vague threats of intimidation.

[dennis tooth]

I'm sorry, the language used by Berger was bang out of order? Or do you mean the language used towards her was bang out of order.

 

I'm pretty sure no one is blaming Corbyn directly for any of the abuse but whether you agree with the PLP or not it's no excuse for some of the shit they receive, and Corbyn himself receives according to him.

 

I saw a tweet to Angela Eagle before saying it's a pity the brick missed but they hope she died of cancer. Not really on stuff like that is it? And there is a lot of it out there.

Boo hoo.

You are on the forum that hosts Emlyn noos and your argument is invalid.

Fuck off back to rawk with that shit.

[cloggypop]

The RAWK thread is locked

[dennis tooth]

I've clearly said, in at least two different posts, that Corbyn himself has said he's received death threats and it's a problem for both sides.

 

I've seen plenty of people slating the Dan Hodges article. Thing is, I don't think I've seen anyone defending it but I see plenty of people ( not you ) justifying the abuse members of the PLP or the NEC have received as they deserve it. It's wrong both ways and needs to stop from both sides.

 

For the avoidance of doubt, though I'm repeating myself now.

 

Some Labour MPs like Kinnock are being disingenuous and over egging things and putting unfair blame on Corbyn. That's wrong.

 

Some Labour MPs and evidentially members of the NEC who aren't MPs are receiving genuine abuse, some of it antisemitic, and I've got a problem with people, rather than condemning it, trying to make out that's it's either some Blairite conspiracy or doesn't really matter because, can't control nutters on Twitter, innit?

MPs getting abuse? That's nothing.

I once saw someone swear at a police officer during the course of his duties. Yes.

[dennis tooth]

I suspect we'd fundamentally disagree on what drives these people to do these things. I'm pretty sure you don't wake up one day and decide to be antisemitic because you've been given a rough deal by the government or because you think the PLP have let you down.

Did you wake up today and decide to smear corbyn supporters as anti semetics or were you driven to it by getting a tough deal by the government?

[dennis tooth]

And the ones who have a problem having their personal details being posted online and then getting bombarded with abusive texts or the shit directed at Berger? They should fuck off too?

We. It's an MP.

Maybe you'd like to learn a bit about an MPs job?

[dennis tooth]

The Ipsos Mori poll has two graphs to it, John Prescott leaving off the one that has the Tories leading by one point after it has filtered out intended voters. The same poll has Corbyn with a net -41% satisfaction of the general population, worse than Cameron who has -38%. Of Labour supporters, the poll has more people dissatisfied than satisfied with Corbyn. Not great.

Cos they sometimes get predictions right.

[dennis tooth]

As I said, Corbyn just isn't chiming with the electorate and nor does it appear with the majority of Labour voters. If I was Theresa May I'd be calling a snap election and looking forward to a bigger majority with or without signing Article 50.

Haha

She won't because she has more sense than you.

If Theresa may beats corbyn in a general election I promise to give you fifty English pounds. Can't wait not to give it to you.

Corbyn would bladder her tiny diabetic brain.

[Gnasher]

Outlandish idea like, so bear with me, but maybe she isn't the person Baxter is referring to. Since she didn't have a problem with it. Jones himself says he texted a few NEC members.

He texted two people both he knew and neither were her.

 

 

Take a look at @OwenJones84's Tweet: https://twitter.com/OwenJones84/status/753859139361771520?s=09

[AngryOfTuebrook]

Walton CLP tweeted this.

 

 

 

In short, shutting down dissent. As you say vague threats of intimidation.

I can't help feeling that if there had been so much as a drive-by shouting at any CLP meeting. the media would have been all over it. I've heard nothing of the sort, but suddenly we're in lockdown.

 

Scary shit, that.

[dennis tooth]

I'm surprised so many think he has what it takes to be a good prime minister. He has about three MPs in his shadow cabinet.

Hopefully by the time corbyn has finished as pm we won't need mp's anymore as we will have a direct democracy of some form. Put all these crooks out of a job.

[dennis tooth]

Has Labour ever really been about revolutionary socialism? The impression I always got was that it was about delivering social democracy by increment rather than the sort of tear-it-all-up-and-start-again approach favoured by Militant and Momentum.

And dinosaurs weren't associated with extictions either until one day.

[dennis tooth]

Has Labour ever really been about revolutionary socialism? The impression I always got was that it was about delivering social democracy by increment rather than the sort of tear-it-all-up-and-start-again approach favoured by Militant and Momentum.

Have the libdems ever been about tuition fees? Tough one

[Gnasher]

He texted two people both he knew and neither were her.

 

 

 

 

Take a look at @OwenJones84's Tweet: https://twitter.com/OwenJones84/status/753859139361771520?s=09

 

This is how Cathy Newman reported Owen Jones texting two people he knew in the Corbynistas intimidation scandal

 

 

Take a look at @cathynewman's Tweet: https://twitter.com/cathynewman/status/753586718784315392?s=09

[Gnasher]

[Gnasher]

I was thinking of sending the above song to that Labour party member but I'd probably have the police booting down my front door with the British media filming outside.

[Gnasher]

what the fuck is this women on about?

 

Take a look at @cathynewman's Tweet: https://twitter.com/cathynewman/status/753316944636444672?s=09

 

Making herself look silly again.