Should Corbyn remain as Labour leader?

[Numero Veinticinco]

All they'd have to do is prove it because if he said that, he'd probably be done. You can't refer to a Jewish MP as 'The Member for Tel-Aviv' and expect to get away with it.

[Denny Crane]

 

 

Far right thugs attack TUC backed socialist bookshop

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Bookmarks in central London, a socialist bookshop and also the TUC’s official bookseller, was attacked on Saturday (4 August) by around a dozen far right supporters.

 

Some carried placards reading “British Bolshevik Cult” and one of them wore a Trump Mask. Books and magazines were ripped and torn, with displays wrecked.

 

A Bookmarks staff member said,

 

“Books on Islamophobia were ridiculed and thrown around. They chanted about Muslims and paedophilia, and called us traitors. While not mentioning Tommy Robinson the links are there to see.”

 

The far right activists also shouted about Corbyn and anti-semitism and then took Abram Leon’s “The Jewish Question” off the shelf holding it aloft as proof of the anti-semitism of the left.

 

The attackers also make threats to return and “show what they can do”.

 

Michael Bradley from Stand up to Racism said:

 

“Luckily no one was hurt this time, but this is a sinister development that indicates the growing confidence of the far right who feel they can attack a bookshop in central London in broad daylight. Attacking a bookshop also exposes their claims to be defenders of free speech as hollow.”

 

 

http://www.standuptoracism.org.uk/press-release-far-right-thugs-attack-tuc-backed-socialist-bookshop/

[Denny Crane]

 

 

A far-right protest against censorship of the conspiracy theory website Infowars took place in central London on Saturday at which protesters were seen with the same placards. Others wore “Make Britain Great Again” caps

 

https://amp.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/aug/05/far-right-protesters-ransack-socialist-bookshop-bookmarks-in-london?CMP=share_btn_tw&__twitter_impression=true

[Nelly-Szoboszlai]

All they'd have to do is prove it because if he said that, he'd probably be done. You can't refer to a Jewish MP as 'The Member for Tel-Aviv' and expect to get away with it.

It's close to the knuckle. But, I wouldn't say that it's automatically antisemitic to imply that an MP who is a high up in LFI could have their loyalty scrutinised because of that membership, rather than their religion/ethnicity.

 

Either way, as there appears to be no evidence of this whatsoever, I'd imagine it'll be abandoned quickly and they'll move onto the next tactic.

[Numero Veinticinco]

Make Great Britain Great again, Britain.

[Numero Veinticinco]

It's close to the knuckle. But, I wouldn't say that it's automatically antisemitic to imply that an MP who is a high up in LFI could have their loyalty scrutinised because of that membership, rather than their religion/ethnicity.

 

Either way, as there appears to be no evidence of this whatsoever, I'd imagine it'll be abandoned quickly and they'll move onto the next tactic.

There's two things in there. One is an accusation of dual loyalties - more serious than it sounds, and precedent calls for his dismissal - and the very dicey use of terms in a period that is very tense would be fucking idiotic. I think he'd rightly have to step down if it were true.

[Denny Crane]

You have to admire the sheer brazenness from Ellman. Caught blatantly bullshitting live on national television, attack your opponent some more. The focus is on them not you.

[Nelly-Szoboszlai]

I think Corbyn needs to do something tangible soon though.

 

Maybe intervene and stop the Hodge and Austin investigations. But, he shouldn't capitulate on the IHRA stuff. Labour's internal policy shouldn't be dictated by the LFI lot.

[moof]

What if her loyalties are actually split? I mean, it’s hardly an outrageous accusation.

 

But, yeah - unsourced, daily mail - I’ll write this one off as ‘complete and utter bollocks’

[Denny Crane]

I think Chris Morris needs to do an equivalent of Four Lions for some of the defending free speech hating the Muslim mob.

 

They only went and posted a video on YouTube of their day out but quickly removed it. There is a video of the same divs a longer one of them outside the BBC earlier that is still online *if it's them*

 

 

 

 

 

[Nelly-Szoboszlai]

Netanyahu is antisemitic, according to IHRA definitions

Posted on 05/08/2018

World leaders have been criticised for sharing a platform with known antisemite, Benjamin Netanyahu.

 

Donald Trump, Angela Merkel and Theresa May have all come under fire for meeting the notorious Jew-hater and prime minister of Israel.

 

The Israeli Prime Minister, self-styled as ‘Bibi’ has become notorious worldwide for Jew-baiting, racist stereotyping and Holocaust minimisation.

 

In her most scathing teshuva yet, Rabbi Geoffrey Cohen denounced Netanyahu as a racist. “Several times in the last year, Bibi has egregiously flouted the IHRA examples of antisemitism. Any world leader who meets with this man is guilty of racism by association.”

 

Among the definitions given by International Holocaust Remembrance Alliance is “denying the facts of the genocide of the Jewish people at the hands of Nazi Germany and its supporters.” In 2015, Netanyahu famously claimed that Hitler didn’t really want to murder the Jews, but only did it because the Palestinian Grand Mufti of Jerusalem told him to, contradicting the facts of the Shoah and minimising the Nazis’ guilt.

 

Only last month, the Yad VaShem condemned Netanyahu after he absolved Poland of any guilt as part of a trade and recognition deal. In a statement, Netanyahu gave support to Poland with their law that made it illegal to talk about Polish concentration camps or Polish complicity in the Holocaust, punishable by three years in jail. He denied Polish complicity and even minimised their pogroms, in a statement so egregiously untrue that even Naftali Bennett condemned it.

 

Because of Netanyahu’s record for Holocaust denial, every world leader who has met with him has been deemed to share his unconscionable views. “When will Theresa May resign?” asked Rabbi Geoffrey, in a statement backed by religious leaders from Slough, Milton Keynes and Inverness.

 

Another of the IHRA definitions that Netanyahu has serially flouted has been “accusing Jewish citizens of being more loyal to Israel than to their own nations.” Indeed, Netanyahu has repeatedly insisted that Jews have no place in Europe. After the Charlie Hebdo attacks in 2015, Bibi told French Jews to “come to their real home” in Israel. In the same year, after a sickening attack on a synagogue in Denmark, Netanyahu repeated his claim that Jews really belonged in Israel.

 

At the time, religious leaders on the continent criticised Netanyahu for playing games in the build-up to an election. Rabbi Geoffrey was among them, having said “it is now asur for anyone to look Netanyahu in the eye without spitting on him.” Since then, Donald Trump, Emmanuel Macron and Theresa May have all met with Bibi and none of them spat on his face. This has prompted serious questions in the community about whether these premiers really hate Jews.

 

Netanyahu has hit back at these accusations. “OK I may have broken a couple of the IHRA examples, but they’re only guidelines and I didn’t break all of them. For example, I never called for the killing of Jews in the name of an extremist view of religion,” Netanyahu said at an IDF recruitment drive in the south Hebron hills.

 

“Also, I never suggested that Israel was a racist endeavour. I wouldn’t say that we would maintain a Jewish majority even if it meant abusing human rights. That wasn’t me. That was my justice minister, Ayelet Shaked. So there.”

[Strontium]

What if her loyalties are actually split? I mean, it’s hardly an outrageous accusation.

Of course you would say that, because of what you are.

[Nelly-Szoboszlai]

Of course you would say that, because of what you are.

And you'd make unfounded allegations because of what you are.

 

A cunt.

[Rico1304]

It's close to the knuckle. But, I wouldn't say that it's automatically antisemitic to imply that an MP who is a high up in LFI could have their loyalty scrutinised because of that membership, rather than their religion/ethnicity.

 

Either way, as there appears to be no evidence of this whatsoever, I'd imagine it'll be abandoned quickly and they'll move onto the next tactic.

Nah, just a joke. FFS.

[moof]

Of course you would say that, because of what you are.

What am I, pal? Go on, this should be good.

[Strontium]

And you'd make unfounded allegations because of what you are.

 

A cunt.

I leave the unfounded allgations to you and your ilk, Neily. I deal exclusively in facts.

[Nelly-Szoboszlai]

What if her loyalties are actually split? I mean, it’s hardly an outrageous accusation.

 

But, yeah - unsourced, daily mail - I’ll write this one off as ‘complete and utter bollocks’

It's a fair point. We argue that Tories don't act in the interests of the electorate because of their memberships and vested interests outside of the party political system.

 

But when you make an entirely possible suggestion that a fervently pro-Israel LFI high-up who has made sickening comments about Palestinians might have one eye elsewhere when carrying out her political work.....ANTISEMITE!

 

Horrendous crying wolf.

[Rico1304]

What am I, pal? Go on, this should be good.

I’ll get this Stronts.

 

You’re an odious, cheap, little cunt.

 

As you were.

 

Edit: who wears dungerees

[Nelly-Szoboszlai]

I leave the unfounded allgations to you and your ilk, Neily. I deal exclusively in facts.

Whatevs, Danny boy.

[Nelly-Szoboszlai]

Nah, just a joke. FFS.

Can you stop riddling, you unhinged weapon.

 

Person who is member of UK based Pakistan interest group might act in interests of Pakistan. A reasonable assumption to make.

 

Substitute Pakistan for Israel...you can't say that. ANTISEMITE!

 

In any event, it's an unproven allegation.

[moof]

I’ll get this Stronts.

 

You’re an odious, cheap, little cunt.

 

As you were.

 

Edit: who wears dungerees

Hahaha. Oh, that is sweet.

[Rico1304]

Hahaha. Oh, that is sweet.

Ta.

[Strontium]

On one hand it's claimed that opposition to Israel has nothing to do with the Jews, on the other hand a person is claimed to have loyalties to Israel simply because they are Jewish.

 

Make your minds up, anti-semites.

[moof]

On one hand it's claimed that opposition to Israel has nothing to do with the Jews, on the other hand a person is claimed to have loyalties to Israel simply because they are Jewish.

 

Make your minds up, anti-semites.

It has fuck all to do with her being Jewish, you snivelling gobshite.

[Nelly-Szoboszlai]

On one hand it's claimed that opposition to Israel has nothing to do with the Jews, on the other hand a person is claimed to have loyalties to Israel simply because they are Jewish.

 

Make your minds up, anti-semites.

Nobody has said that, you hideous apartheid apologist.