Should Corbyn remain as Labour leader?

[SasaS]

1 hour ago, Jairzinho said:

Yes, the message could have been delivered better. Obviously. But I don't think he could have taken a different position. 80% of members want to remain, two thirds of constituencies want to leave. What can he do?

So, what you're saying is, if he opts for Remain it would be trouble, siding with Leave it would be double?

[moof]

54 minutes ago, Barry Wom said:

really? corbyn's position is not to have a position on which way to fight a referendum until after the election. that is no position, just has it has been since the revokation of article 50. 

I really don’t know what is so difficult to understand. Labour will negotiate their own deal, put it against remain in a second referendum, mps can campaign as they wish, leadership is neutral, let the people decide.

 

This deliberate obfuscation by media, commentators etc is going to destroy the only hope at getting out of this with a fair and reasonable solution. 

[A Red]

If you are going to negotiate a deal and then argue that people should reject it, arent they purposely going to negotiate a shit deal? I might be missing something but seems a bit mad to me.

[Numero Veinticinco]

Just now, A Red said:

If you are going to negotiate a deal and then argue that people should reject it, arent they purposely going to negotiate a shit deal? I might be missing something but seems a bit mad to me.

He isn't going to argue that people should reject it, so...

[A Red]

1 minute ago, Numero Veinticinco said:

He isn't going to argue that people should reject it, so...

I thought Corbyns idea was to negotiate a deal that is put in a referendum against remaining and then campaign to remain.

[mattyq]

This is how it's going to go with every interviewer and every doorstep conversation

 

 

[Numero Veinticinco]

46 minutes ago, A Red said:

I thought Corbyns idea was to negotiate a deal that is put in a referendum against remaining and then campaign to remain.

He was getting criticised for saying he would remain neutral. 

[A Red]

3 minutes ago, Numero Veinticinco said:

He was getting criticised for saying he would remain neutral. 

Well, thats daft too.

[Scooby Dudek]

Corbyn wants to leave - gets criticised

Corbyn remains neutral - gets criticised

Corbyn backs remain - gets criticised      *

 

Seeing a pattern here

 

 

 

 

 

* assuming the party vote to go full remain at conference

[Numero Veinticinco]

1 minute ago, A Red said:

Well, thats daft too.

Why? He's following what the electorate directed government to do - leave Europe. He'd be doing so in a way acceptable to parliament, with a deal. And he'd go back and ask the electorate if this is still what they want. 

 

What better way is there. If there is one, I'm all ears. 

[moof]

Just now, Scooby Dudek said:

Corbyn wants to leave - gets criticised

Corbyn remains neutral - gets criticised

Corbyn backs remain - gets criticised      *

 

 

 

 

 

 

* assuming the party vote to go full remain at conference

Most of these people don’t really give a shit about the outcome on a macro level. It’s all about the theatre. It’s a serious barrier to progress and a threat to the future of this country. 

[A Red]

1 minute ago, Numero Veinticinco said:

Why? He's following what the electorate directed government to do - leave Europe. He'd be doing so in a way acceptable to parliament, with a deal. And he'd go back and ask the electorate if this is still what they want. 

 

What better way is there. If there is one, I'm all ears. 

Ok big ears.

 

He is a leader that wants to be pm and we the electorate should know what he wants to do. He will negotiate a deal, call a referendum on it and then what? Campaign against the deal he has negotiated? Mental. Stay neutral? Mental. Or maybe he will campaign to leave on the deal he has negotiated. Very doubtful.

[A Red]

I'm disturbed about this plan to get rid of private fee paying schools. Its removing choice and i dont understand why.

[Jairzinho]

2 minutes ago, A Red said:

I'm disturbed about this plan to get rid of private fee paying schools. Its removing choice and i dont understand why.

Is that policy? Had no idea.

 

Excellent news. 

[moof]

Just now, A Red said:

I'm disturbed about this plan to get rid of private fee paying schools. Its removing choice and i dont understand why.

Because it entrenches the class divide, has a detrimental effect on society and blocks certain people from certain opportunities. It’s a good idea imo

[moof]

1 minute ago, Jairzinho said:

Is that policy? Had no idea.

 

Excellent news. 

Announced in the past few days. It’s an excellent proposal 

[A Red]

5 minutes ago, moof said:

Because it entrenches the class divide, has a detrimental effect on society and blocks certain people from certain opportunities. It’s a good idea imo

Have you ever paid for private medical treatment? I dont mean for an operation but perhaps for physio or sports injury or a chiropractor or even hypnotism to give up smoking. Theres loads of private practitioners in this country, would you want all of them to stop trading and come under the NHS? You would surely use the same argument to do so.

[moof]

2 minutes ago, A Red said:

Have you ever paid for private medical treatment? I dont mean for an operation but perhaps for physio or sports injury or a chiropractor or even hypnotism to give up smoking. Theres loads of private practitioners in this country, would you want all of them to stop trading and come under the NHS? You would surely use the same argument to do so.

It’s not analogous. Fact of the matter is private schools segregate children based on wealth of their parents. It’s an immoral system and one of the biggest structural problems in our society. 

[A Red]

32 hour working week? Fucking hell. I'm surprised more on here arent outraged at the increase.

[A Red]

1 minute ago, moof said:

It’s not analogous. Fact of the matter is private schools segregate children based on wealth of their parents. It’s an immoral system and one of the biggest structural problems in our society. 

You could have said similar or comparable you big headed cunt, I had to look that up.

 

I think the principle is the same, if you want the same education and healthcare for all then you get rid of fee paying schools and private practitioners as you must consider them immoral. You didnt answer as to whether you have used private healthcare 

[Scooby Dudek]

https://www.itv.com/news/2019-06-25/britains-most-powerful-people-more-likely-to-have-attended-private-school/

 

Compared to the national average of seven per cent of Britons who had gone to private school, the media also contains a disproportionate amount of fee-paying alumni.

Of the 100 most influential news editors and broadcasters, 43 per cent were privately educated, while 44 per cent of newspaper columnists went to fee-paying schools.

 

 

 

 

 

I have paid for physio on numerous occasions but am no nearer any of the above jobs.

[Numero Veinticinco]

38 minutes ago, A Red said:

Ok big ears.

 

He is a leader that wants to be pm and we the electorate should know what he wants to do. He will negotiate a deal, call a referendum on it and then what? Campaign against the deal he has negotiated? Mental. Stay neutral? Mental. Or maybe he will campaign to leave on the deal he has negotiated. Very doubtful.

You didn’t mention a couple of things. First, why given the mess of a situation he would inherit from the Conservatives, why it would be ‘mental’ to remain neutral (not campaign), and second what a better solution would be. 

[AngryOfTuebrook]

Phew!

[Rico1304]

So I can’t vote for Labour because I won’t know their policy at the time of the election.  

[A Red]

1 minute ago, Numero Veinticinco said:

You didn’t mention a couple of things. First, why given the mess of a situation he would inherit from the Conservatives, why it would be ‘mental’ to remain neutral (not campaign), and second what a better solution would be. 

The right solution is to campaign on a clear, stay or leave. The Lib Dems and tories would.

 

Its mental for the government to negotiate a deal and then in the referendum campaign say nothing about which way it wants it to go. How on earth could that be maintained?