Should the UK remain a member of the EU

[Gnasher]

10 hours ago, AngryOfTuebrook said:

 

Excellent news, puts potential employees in a stronger position than they would be otherwise, whilst simultaneously forcing employers to appreciate their current workforce. 

 

Some did say free movement was mainly about easy access to a cheap flow of labour, exactly how its turning out. 

 

If Martin and his ilk pay a full living wage with good employment conditions his positions will become more attractive to potential workers who at last can be more selective for whom they give their labour.

[Gnasher]

Estimated growth upgraded to 7.35% from 5%. Workforce supply and demand miraculously turning away from employers and towards the benefit of the employee. 

 

Employers having to treat workers with a lot more respect now the cheap Labour tap has been cut, my heart bleeds for the capitalist cunts.

 

 

[Gnasher]

No shit sherlock 

 

 

 

[Colonel Bumcunt]

32 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

No shit sherlock 

 

 

 

Yeah, in a minute these same cunts will be campaigning to rejoin. The alternative is to put a vice like grip on universal credit and MAKE people accept shitty jobs, which is not a vote winner. 

[Section_31]

Isn't the labour crisis in retail and hospitality more to do with the fact people have found other jobs that aren't as vulnerable to Covid and don't want to risk it again?

[AngryOfTuebrook]

On 02/06/2021 at 09:06, Gnasher said:

Excellent news, puts potential employees in a stronger position than they would be otherwise, whilst simultaneously forcing employers to appreciate their current workforce. 

 

Some did say free movement was mainly about easy access to a cheap flow of labour, exactly how its turning out. 

 

If Martin and his ilk pay a full living wage with good employment conditions his positions will become more attractive to potential workers who at last can be more selective for whom they give their labour.

You mean that our problems were caused by bloody foreigners coming over here and taking our jobs?

[AngryOfTuebrook]

2 hours ago, Gnasher said:

No shit sherlock 

 

 

 

It's not an opinion that's borne out by facts though, is it?

[AngryOfTuebrook]

1 hour ago, Colonel Bumcunt said:

Yeah, in a minute these same cunts will be campaigning to rejoin. The alternative is to put a vice like grip on universal credit and MAKE people accept shitty jobs, which is not a vote winner. 

It hasn't proven to be a vote loser so far.

[Colonel Bumcunt]

59 minutes ago, AngryOfTuebrook said:

It hasn't proven to be a vote loser so far.

Nah you don't get to do that, because these jobs AREN'T being filled at present.  When the British get press-ganged into taking these jobs then we'll see.  

[Gnasher]

8 hours ago, AngryOfTuebrook said:

You mean that our problems were caused by bloody foreigners coming over here and taking our jobs?

Childish. 

[Gnasher]

8 hours ago, AngryOfTuebrook said:

It's not an opinion that's borne out by facts though, is it?

Well the growth forecasts are 'forecasts' so obviously not facts but most economists predict high growth. Slightly misleading imo though as the figure will only return to approx pre pandemic rates, so the dramatic increase is bolstered because we are starting at such a low point. Non the less the economy does look to be on the up.

 

As for Labour supply and demand its fairly obvious that the coin has flipped and demand could soon exceed supply. Increased growth and removal of large swathes of low paid, low skilled temporary workers should prove beneficial to the low paid in the construction, agriculture, warehouse and service industries, no one can deny that at last they deserve it.

 

In a nutshell massive construction and service industry employers can either pay up or go fuck em selves.

[Gnasher]

Remember the predictions of a post brexit house crash?

 

https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/mortgageshome/article-9581823/As-house-price-frenzy-breaks-rules-market-overheat.html

[AngryOfTuebrook]

38 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

Well the growth forecasts are 'forecasts' so obviously not facts but most economists predict high growth. Slightly misleading imo though as the figure will only return to approx pre pandemic rates, so the dramatic increase is bolstered because we are starting at such a low point. Non the less the economy does look to be on the up.

 

As for Labour supply and demand its fairly obvious that the coin has flipped and demand could soon exceed supply. Increased growth and removal of large swathes of low paid, low skilled temporary workers should prove beneficial to the low paid in the construction, agriculture, warehouse and service industries, no one can deny that at last they deserve it.

 

In a nutshell massive construction and service industry employers can either pay up or go fuck em selves.

Returning to pre-pandemic levels isn't a sign of the economy being "on the up": it's going back to square one. 

 

The coin has not flipped in terms of the balance of power between workers and bosses.  The problems (low pay, job insecurity, shitty conditions, etc.) weren't caused by EU migration, so removing it won't solve them.  As long as we have a Tory Government  (supported by an anti-worker media) workers won't get what they deserve. 

[AngryOfTuebrook]

18 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

Remember the predictions of a post brexit house crash?

 

https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/mortgageshome/article-9581823/As-house-price-frenzy-breaks-rules-market-overheat.html

I don't remember those predictions.  If I was aware of them, I would have considered it a rare benefit of Brexit. 

[Gnasher]

Just now, AngryOfTuebrook said:

Returning to pre-pandemic levels isn't a sign of the economy being "on the up": it's going back to square one. 

 

The coin has not flipped in terms of the balance of power between workers and bosses.  The problems (low pay, job insecurity, shitty conditions, etc.) weren't caused by EU migration, so removing it won't solve them.  As long as we have a Tory Government  (supported by an anti-worker media) workers won't get what they deserve. 

Your point about a tory government is obvious. Its obvious a Tory government hurts us, its obvious workers will sufer because of tory rule, who's denying it? We're talking about the immediate impact of Brexit.

 

Your point on growth is not entirely true, although growth has indeed gone back to pre pandemic levels almost all economists have been surprised by the buoyancy of the economy.

 

Low pay was 'partly' caused by an over inflated labour pool, its a strategy Thatcher used in the early eighties and it's the main point of free movement. It's a simple case of supply and demand, its right in front of your eyes. 

[Gnasher]

12 minutes ago, AngryOfTuebrook said:

I don't remember those predictions.  If I was aware of them, I would have considered it a rare benefit of Brexit. 

No? Here's the them Chancellor,

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/may/20/eu-referendum-george-osborne-house-prices-brexit

 

[Gnasher]

10 hours ago, Section_31 said:

Isn't the labour crisis in retail and hospitality more to do with the fact people have found other jobs that aren't as vulnerable to Covid and don't want to risk it again?

Possibly a factor, the Labour shortage seems to be affecting most occupations now, all sectors are experiencing certain levels of requirement problems. Obviously (as you allude) more one single factor but most economists and Labour analysts flag Brexit up as one of, if not the major cause. 

 

Not all good news as care homes and social services are being hit but it must change the demographics between emploee and employer and it has to be in the employees favour.

[Numero Veinticinco]

The economy has not gone back to pre-pandemic levels yet. It’s predicted to recover as people o back to normal. It has been adjusted up and can just as easily be adjusted back down. Either way, people surfing out to pubs and restaurants after being stuck in isn’t really reflective of long term health of the economy post-Brexit. I think we will wait and see. At some point the gazillions spent to keep the country afloat will have to be recouped. Let’s see how that impacts prosperity. Also, Brexit and it’s impact will be difficult to separate from pandemic impact in some areas. We have to wait and see. 

[AngryOfTuebrook]

34 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

Your point about a tory government is obvious. Its obvious a Tory government hurts us, its obvious workers will sufer because of tory rule, who's denying it? We're talking about the immediate impact of Brexit.

 

Your point on growth is not entirely true, although growth has indeed gone back to pre pandemic levels almost all economists have been surprised by the buoyancy of the economy.

 

Low pay was 'partly' caused by an over inflated labour pool, its a strategy Thatcher used in the early eighties and it's the main point of free movement. It's a simple case of supply and demand, its right in front of your eyes. 

Yes, we're talking about the immediate impacts of Brexit. 

 

The immediate impacts of Brexit do not benefit workers. Nothing that you have posted proves otherwise.  Simple assumptions about supply and demand don't stand up against actual facts (including some of the stuff you have posted on here in the last few years).

[Gnasher]

Labour shortage due to Covid and Brexit..

 

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2021/may/17/uk-faces-labour-shortage-as-covid-and-brexit-fuel-exodus-of-overseas-workers

[AngryOfTuebrook]

8 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

 it has to be in the employees favour.

It doesn't. 

 

The Government are not passive observers to this. They can easily legislate to force people into underpaid, shitty jobs (even more than they do now) - and there's no reason to believe there would be an electoral penalty for them.

[Gnasher]

7 minutes ago, AngryOfTuebrook said:

Yes, we're talking about the immediate impacts of Brexit. 

 

The immediate impacts of Brexit do not benefit workers. Nothing that you have posted proves otherwise.  Simple assumptions about supply and demand don't stand up against actual facts (including some of the stuff you have posted on here in the last few years).

Of course a Labour shortage benefits workers!!  I'm struggling with why you'd think otherwise.

 

A Labour shortage gives jobsseekers a better chance of getting employment and gives those in work greater job security. 

[Gnasher]

3 minutes ago, AngryOfTuebrook said:

It doesn't. 

 

The Government are not passive observers to this. They can easily legislate to force people into underpaid, shitty jobs (even more than they do now) - and there's no reason to believe there would be an electoral penalty for them.

Again that's down to our government not Brexit in general.

[Gnasher]

23 minutes ago, Numero Veinticinco said:

The economy has not gone back to pre-pandemic levels yet. It’s predicted to recover as people o back to normal. It has been adjusted up and can just as easily be adjusted back down. Either way, people surfing out to pubs and restaurants after being stuck in isn’t really reflective of long term health of the economy post-Brexit. I think we will wait and see. At some point the gazillions spent to keep the country afloat will have to be recouped. Let’s see how that impacts prosperity. Also, Brexit and it’s impact will be difficult to separate from pandemic impact in some areas. We have to wait and see. 

The construction industry is booming, no need to wait and see on that one and it's normally a very good indicator of how the rest of the economy will head. Major construction firms are also realising the need to increase training of young workers so again good news.

 

The doubts creep in with the question of what's fuelling the upturn. Rising house prices are a factor, people use increased equity to fund house renovations etc, the public handouts and brexit are also a factor, the former definitely so. Will it last? My guess is no but when it goes wring it won't be because of Brexit it'll be bad governance.

 

https://news.sky.com/story/cost-pressures-on-the-rise-for-booming-construction-sector-12324740

[AngryOfTuebrook]

22 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

Of course a Labour shortage benefits workers!!  I'm struggling with why you'd think otherwise.

 

A Labour shortage gives jobsseekers a better chance of getting employment and gives those in work greater job security. 

Government exists. 

 

I'm struggling with why you're not acknowledging this.