Should the UK remain a member of the EU

[AngryOfTuebrook]

Who the fuck is that and why is he spouting shit?

[Section_31]

Was listening to a thing yesterday about how bad Britain is these days at lobbying the likes of yanks other than dancing to Trump's tune, but that the Irish had been lobbying Pelosi and she said the Senate would veto any trade deal with us if we fucked over the Irish with the backstop.

 

These lot are clowns, some people are so far behind in the race they think they're actually leading.

[Guest Pistonbroke]

1 hour ago, M_B said:

Used to think the same, but now I'm pessimistic about our chances and think we'll crash out. Boris will aim for it and at some point the EU will stop giving extensions. Plus I think Boris et al stand to receive bumper offshore payments, most likely from the US. Everyone worries about the Russians interfering in our politics, but its the Americans who are manipulating it most. They have everything to gain from us leaving the EU.

Most Politicians won't gain from the Yanks etc. Only those at the top. No way will parliament accept a No Deal scenario. Plus if BJ and his mates think they can push it through by shutting parliament then they are in for a shock. 

[No2]

48 minutes ago, Section_31 said:

Was listening to a thing yesterday about how bad Britain is these days at lobbying the likes of yanks other than dancing to Trump's tune, but that the Irish had been lobbying Pelosi and she said the Senate would veto any trade deal with us if we fucked over the Irish with the backstop.

 

These lot are clowns, some people are so far behind in the race they think they're actually leading.

I don't think Ireland are particularly good at lobbying they and Israel in particular just carry massive sway with the Americans because of the sheer number of voters in the US. Probably for the first time in history Ireland is more powerful than the UK due it's relationship with the US and the EU. Stick that on a bus.

[mattyq]

3 hours ago, Boss said:

The hardliners like Kenneth Clarke won't turn, but there's enough MP's for a majority if they convince them that no deal benefits their self interest.

How is somebody who wants to maintain the status quo be described as a hardliner?

Just weird

[Boss]

46 minutes ago, mattyq said:

How is somebody who wants to maintain the status quo be described as a hardliner?

Just weird

 

Hardliner - A person who pursues an uncompromising policy

 

He is a hardliner because he will not compromise his position. The semantic police are out in force today.

[moof]

55 minutes ago, mattyq said:

How is somebody who wants to maintain the status quo be described as a hardliner?

Just weird

I think maintaining the status quo is a pretty hard line policy, when the status quo is so cruel and destructive, no? 

[deiseach]

19 minutes ago, Boss said:

 

Hardliner - A person who pursues an uncompromising policy

 

He is a hardliner because he will not compromise his position. The semantic police are out in force today.

Ken Clarke voted for the withdrawal agreement. Three times. I'm not going to ask you how that demonstrates he is unwilling to compromise his position because words clearly have no meaning to a zealot like you.

[SasaS]

1 hour ago, No2 said:

I don't think Ireland are particularly good at lobbying they and Israel in particular just carry massive sway with the Americans because of the sheer number of voters in the US. Probably for the first time in history Ireland is more powerful than the UK due it's relationship with the US and the EU. Stick that on a bus.

 

Isn't Ireland also protected by its EU membership status? Plus, some in the UK fail to realize that this is also a matter of an international treaty which has been in place for over 20 years. What could London threaten Dublin with?

[mattyq]

29 minutes ago, moof said:

I think maintaining the status quo is a pretty hard line policy, when the status quo is so cruel and destructive, no? 

Remaining in the EU isn't cruel and destructive

 

43 minutes ago, Boss said:

 

Hardliner - A person who pursues an uncompromising policy

 

He is a hardliner because he will not compromise his position. The semantic police are out in force today.

He's compromised his position not once, not twice but thrice

Regarding Brexit it's a nonsense to call him a hardliner

[Pureblood]

Anyone who stands in the way of no deal is an enemy of the people, like those nasty Judges who agreed to letting Parliament have it's say.

[Guest Pistonbroke]

I was reading earlier about what that permer gurning wank spangle Farge was banging on about. Anyone against Brexit should be removed from the Military and Civil Services, the humongous cock womble. Apparently support for his Brexit Party is waning.  

[Boss]

1 hour ago, deiseach said:

Ken Clarke voted for the withdrawal agreement. Three times. I'm not going to ask you how that demonstrates he is unwilling to compromise his position because words clearly have no meaning to a zealot like you.

 

He said himself he was voting against the withdrawal bill. If you don't believe me, listen to this from the man himself. 

 

 

He referred to the bill as a wrecking piece of legislation. Unless this is a different withdrawal bill. Or are you talking about the Yvette Cooper bill to postpone Brexit until Oct 31 - which is entirely in-fitting with him trying to stifle Brexit?

[Guest Pistonbroke]

Hunt said he was expecting Brexit by the end of December and he'd be the best man to get a deal, deluded fucker. 

[Babb'sBurstNad]

16 minutes ago, Boss said:

 

He said himself he was voting against the withdrawal bill. If you don't believe me, listen to this from the man himself. 

 

 

He referred to the bill as a wrecking piece of legislation. Unless this is a different withdrawal bill. Or are you talking about the Yvette Cooper bill to postpone Brexit until Oct 31 - which is entirely in-fitting with him trying to stifle Brexit?

As far as I know, he voted for the withdrawal agreement - aka May's deal - three times. Those don't seem the actions of a man trying to stifle Brexit.

 

He's a pro-EU pragmatist, who wants to end deadlock and avoid no-deal.

[Boss]

12 minutes ago, Babb'sBurstNad said:

As far as I know, he voted for the withdrawal agreement - aka May's deal - three times. Those don't seem the actions of a man trying to stifle Brexit.

 

He's a pro-EU pragmatist, who wants to end deadlock and avoid no-deal.

 

Okay. So he voted for the option most in-fitting with his own stance because the alternative was the ERG backed no deal. I don't see how that shows he's willing to compromise towards a no deal though - which is what I said, and what I've been attacked for saying at the top of the page. 

[mattyq]

1 minute ago, Boss said:

 

Okay. So he voted for the option most in-fitting with his own stance because the alternative was the ERG backed no deal. I don't see how that shows he's willing to compromise towards a no deal though - which is what I said, and what I've been attacked for saying at the top of the page. 

Yeah, that makes no sense whatsoever

You said he's a hardliner because he doesn't compromise and you were then provided with concrete facts that he did, in actual fact, compromise his position 3 times

Just admit you were wrong to call him a hardliner as you were.

I don't even like Clarke but he's not a Brexit cunt

[Boss]

1 minute ago, mattyq said:

Yeah, that makes no sense whatsoever

You said he's a hardliner because he doesn't compromise and you were then provided with concrete facts that he did, in actual fact, compromise his position 3 times

Just admit you were wrong to call him a hardliner as you were.

I don't even like Clarke but he's not a Brexit cunt

 

No, read what I said again. I said that certain MP's cannot be swayed towards a no deal - Ken Clark being an example. Some MP's - Amber Rudd (because she was the topic of the thread)- can be, based off their own self interest. 

 

I know what I meant, because i was the one that said it. Now if you or deisearch have evidence where Ken Clarke has compromised to a No Deal position, then i'll concede my point. 

[Gnasher]

Europe has just lost its one socialist government after being bullied by the world bank and eu which forced  mass austerity on some of  the poorest people in europe and posters on here still defend the capitalist pigs.

[Guest Pistonbroke]

Shut up. 

[deiseach]

WTF? If you won't support the outcome furthest away from your preferred outcome, you're the hardliner? This is Newspeak.

[Gnasher]

2 minutes ago, Pistonbroke said:

Shut up. 

Take your own advice kiddie

[Boss]

6 minutes ago, deiseach said:

WTF? If you won't support the outcome furthest away from your preferred outcome, you're the hardliner? This is Newspeak.

 

When did I say that? I said he is a hardliner in the sense that he will not, under any circumstances, compromise towards a no deal. He is hard line on that issue. If you have evidence to the contrary, please produce it and I'll take back what I said. 

[Pureblood]

30 minutes ago, Boss said:

 

No, read what I said again. I said that certain MP's cannot be swayed towards a no deal - Ken Clark being an example. Some MP's - Amber Rudd (because she was the topic of the thread)- can be, based off their own self interest. 

 

I know what I meant, because i was the one that said it. Now if you or deisearch have evidence where Ken Clarke has compromised to a No Deal position, then i'll concede my point. 

When you say "compromise", you mean agree to a no deal.  Why would he agree to something which is plainly stupid?

[deiseach]

What was about weasels and stoats? You can't 'compromise toward a no deal' any more than you can be a little bit pregnant. Enough. My mistake for engaging with someone determined to argue in bad faith.