Summer 2023 Transfer Thread

[an tha]

7 seems to be about the right number to me if none of them are known crocks.

 

Given Thiago is and we have a couple of still unproven kids in the number i'd say we should have 8.

 

So.

 

Mac

Szobo

Jones

Thiago

Bajcetic

Elliott

 

We are two short IMO assuming the two slated to leave do. 

[Chip Butty]

Funny with the ‘be careful what you wish for’ saying - as it appears to be ringing true. Very much looking like we got exactly what we wished for.

 

F’tbaw eh. 
 

[Barrington Womble]

13 minutes ago, an tha said:

I assumed we'd add one younger project type to the 2 we bought not perfect but could see it being case....now for me as much as i am all in on hendo and fabinho going as i don't either offer us enough now, i feel we need 2 more really one like Lavia for example and one around peak/prime age with good experience.

 

 

Centre half is desperately needed for me.

 

3 players with patchy to poor injury records and an ageing kingpin is not enough IMHO

 

The thing is the idea of a younger one was when none of us realised the midfield was up for sale. But I can't believe on the inside the club haven't known about this for a little while. Maybe it's what's slowed down the 3rd one as we've moved from a younger one to a more senior one. But we need to get moving and if the names they've thrown out to the press pack today are anything to go by, it doesn't look great. But we can't go through weeks of fucking about, we need to just go and get it done..

[BeefStroganoff]

20 minutes ago, Jose Jones said:

When we won everything we had Hendo, Milner, Gini, Fabinho, Ox & Keita and that was it. 
6 players is plenty if you’re happy to play them all, which Klopp was for a couple of years.

 

It was only really last season when he totally gave up on both Ox and Keita.

 

If Fab & Hendo go, we’ll need two quality players to replace them.

 

Then we would have 2xNew + Szloboszlai, Mac, Curtis, Thiago.

Bajcetic & Elliott can be extras, taking us up to 8.

No need for any more than that, if Klopp trusts them all.

That was a one off though pal they somehow all stayed relatively fit for one season.

[George Costanza]

5 minutes ago, 3 Stacks said:

Of course, so we should have added 3 more to our already high wage bill to make it 11 midfielders.

 

you get rid of the unreliable.  What is the fucking point of them if they are only fit for less than half the games.  A squad can cope with one or two players provided they are of significant quality to make a difference when they are fit & available but we have far too many.

[BeefStroganoff]

6 minutes ago, an tha said:

7 seems to be about the right number to me if none of them are known crocks.

 

Given Thiago is and we have a couple of still unproven kids in the number i'd say we should have 8.

 

So.

 

Mac

Szobo

Jones

Thiago

Bajcetic

Elliott

 

We are two short IMO assuming the two slated to leave do. 

As womble has said though Thiago and Baj are not even fit. Jones has a questionable fitness record.

 

Elliot cant play in there. I wouldnt rely on any of them. Would you back them to stay fit?

[Barrington Womble]

22 minutes ago, Jose Jones said:

When we won everything we had Hendo, Milner, Gini, Fabinho, Ox & Keita and that was it. 
6 players is plenty if you’re happy to play them all, which Klopp was for a couple of years.

 

It was only really last season when he totally gave up on both Ox and Keita.

 

If Fab & Hendo go, we’ll need two quality players to replace them.

 

Then we would have 2xNew + Szloboszlai, Mac, Curtis, Thiago.

Bajcetic & Elliott can be extras, taking us up to 8.

No need for any more than that, if Klopp trusts them all.

 

There's 5 subs per game now though. So you would expect to need to use 5 midfielders per game (discounting Trent). And when we look at the seasons that have followed and the likes of fab were done by 29, maybe if we had more than those 6, we wouldn't be in the mess we're in now with everyone's legs gone. 

[BeefStroganoff]

2 minutes ago, George Costanza said:

 

you get rid of the unreliable.  What is the fucking point of them if they are only fit for less than half the games.  A squad can cope with one or two players provided they are of significant quality to make a difference when they are fit & available but we have far too many.

I think he just likes to be deliberately opposed to logic.

[chrisbonnie]

It seems some posters at worried about us selling fabinho, and possibly Henderson, and replacing them with willing runners. 

 

Wtf are you'se smoking. Fabinho has been stinking the place out like fresh dog shit for nearly two years. Henderson I wouldnt put in the same shit bracket, but I'd have no issue, what so ever with replacing him with someone in their early 20's. 

 

I for one am delighted with these rumours 

[an tha]

3 minutes ago, Barrington Womble said:

 

The thing is the idea of a younger one was when none of us realised the midfield was up for sale. But I can't believe on the inside the club haven't known about this for a little while. Maybe it's what's slowed down the 3rd one as we've moved from a younger one to a more senior one. But we need to get moving and if the names they've thrown out to the press pack today are anything to go by, it doesn't look great. But we can't go through weeks of fucking about, we need to just go and get it done..

I've believed all summer that we'd get done what we needed to, things reached such a low that we simply couldn't not get it done.

 

I feel the approaches for Hendo and Fab have caught us by surprise - but ultimately if we are smart are absolute windfalls for us - we should have been looking to get rid anyway for my money - but looks like we weren't but now the gold nugget has fallen in our lap we need to capitalise on it.....

 

My worry is we aren't prepared to and we won't get what we need as we run out of time. We'll probably still get the 'project in' as i imagine that will be planned and a work in progress, but are we agile enough to either pivot towards a more senior signing now or get the project and the senior one in to complete what would be a perfect midfield overhaul??

[LFC 6 Times]

I really wish we’d keep Fab. I reckon he’d still be really useful to us. Even more so when you look at names mentioned to replace him.

 

Henderson on the other hand.

[an tha]

6 minutes ago, BeefStroganoff said:

As womble has said though Thiago and Baj are not even fit. Jones has a questionable fitness record.

 

Elliot cant play in there. I wouldnt rely on any of them. Would you back them to stay fit?

That is part of reason i feel 8 is a good number for us.

 

Arsenal effectively had 6 last season - but obviously all good and all available.

 

8 to help with fact we have 1 known crock and a kid or two who are still unproven is near enough IMO.

 

We would hopefully get full 38 game seasons from Mac and Szobo ala Fernandes at mancs (or as near as damn it) and the other 6 all contribute across rest.

 

We had too many who added fuck all or worse were simply not trusted - that should not be case now.

 

 

[Barrington Womble]

7 minutes ago, an tha said:

I've believed all summer that we'd get done what we needed to, things reached such a low that we simply couldn't not get it done.

 

I feel the approaches for Hendo and Fab have caught us by surprise - but ultimately if we are smart are absolute windfalls for us - we should have been looking to get rid anyway for my money - but looks like we weren't but now the gold nugget has fallen in our lap we need to capitalise on it.....

 

My worry is we aren't prepared to and we won't get what we need as we run out of time. We'll probably still get the 'project in' as i imagine that will be planned and a work in progress, but are we agile enough to either pivot towards a more senior signing now or get the project and the senior one in to complete what would be a perfect midfield overhaul??

 

I think you have more faith in our spending than i do. It felt certain in may we'd get the job done, but I stopped believing they were committed to it some weeks ago. 

 

As for being taken by surprise - surely not? We must have known as soon as we bring in new players to start, our old starters mightn't fancy the fight or another club sees an opportunity to lift them out. The Saudi stuff has certainly grown momentum over the summer, but when they started picking up the likes of neves, we should have been on full alert. It's what the specialists at the club are paid for and neves moved there a week before we bought Dom. 

[TD_LFC]

6 minutes ago, an tha said:

8 to help with fact we have 1 known crock and a kid or two who are still unproven is near enough IMO.

 

And that's 8 without considering the auxiliary options that you can use based on availability, opposition, need.

 

Gakpo can play as one on the inside forwards, Trent if there for the double pivot, then you have a couple of kids that will take minutes of players in the early rounds of cups (draw permitting).

[Moo]

57 minutes ago, Saintslfc13 said:

Maybe, and I might be stretching here, we should wait until the window closes to get hysterical about it all

 

And then someone will say a variation of "the window is closed, no point in moaning we have to get on with it, let's see what happens on the pitch".  Like clockwork.

[Barrington Womble]

4 minutes ago, Moo said:

 

And then someone will say a variation of "the window is closed, no point in moaning we have to get on with it, let's see what happens on the pitch".  Like clockwork.

The manager himself said he wanted the business done for the start of training anyway. 

[an tha]

11 minutes ago, Barrington Womble said:

 

I think you have more faith in our spending than i do. It felt certain in may we'd get the job done, but I stopped believing they were committed to it some weeks ago. 

 

As for being taken by surprise - surely not? We must have known as soon as we bring in new players to start, our old starters mightn't fancy the fight or another club sees an opportunity to lift them out. The Saudi stuff has certainly grown momentum over the summer, but when they started picking up the likes of neves, we should have been on full alert. It's what the specialists at the club are paid for and neves moved there a week before we bought Dom. 

I think for me it is case of klopp and his team knowing how bad it was and there is just no way i can believe that would make the same mistakes again....so i have held onto a belief that we'd do what was needed - it would be criminal not to

 

As for the approaches for Hendo/Fab - i honestly believe we have been caught by surprise - but as i say it is for me an absolute windfall, and a great opportunity to accelerate what is overdue anyway....we just have to make sure we nail it - and i worry we may not because we aren't ready and won't be agile enough - but if we are, what a chance to replace 2 players who have stunk the place out and who are in massive decline and kick us on.

 

I am buzzing for it.

[TD_LFC]

3 minutes ago, Barrington Womble said:

The manager himself said he wanted the business done for the start of training anyway. 

 

Is there a manager who doesn't?

 

It doesn't mean it's going to happen because it's not always how transfers work, Klopp knows that.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

7 hours ago, Scott_M said:

Players allegedly who have similar attitudes to Fabinho.

 

Whats that Danilo of Forest like? I’m sure I read / heard somewhere that he’s the next player, like Caicedo and Mac Allister, that the top clubs will be fighting over next summer. 
 

Vencedor is a cool name.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

7 minutes ago, an tha said:

I think for me it is case of klopp and his team knowing how bad it was and there is just no way i can believe that would make the same mistakes again....so i have held onto a belief that we'd do what was needed - it would be criminal not to

 

As for the approaches for Hendo/Fab - i honestly believe we have been caught by surprise - but as i say it is for me an absolute windfall, and a great opportunity to accelerate what is overdue anyway....we just have to make sure we nail it - and i worry we may not because we aren't ready and won't be agile enough - but if we are, what a chance to replace 2 players who have stunk the place out and who are in massive decline and kick us on.

 

I am buzzing for it.

I'd rather keep both of them, to be honest.  There's only so many midfielders you can replace in the one window without disrupting the squad to a season-wrecking degree.  If one of Henderson, Thiago and Fabinho were to leave and be replaced now, one in January and one next summer, I'd be happier with that pace of change.

[Barrington Womble]

23 minutes ago, an tha said:

I think for me it is case of klopp and his team knowing how bad it was and there is just no way i can believe that would make the same mistakes again....so i have held onto a belief that we'd do what was needed - it would be criminal not to

 

As for the approaches for Hendo/Fab - i honestly believe we have been caught by surprise - but as i say it is for me an absolute windfall, and a great opportunity to accelerate what is overdue anyway....we just have to make sure we nail it - and i worry we may not because we aren't ready and won't be agile enough - but if we are, what a chance to replace 2 players who have stunk the place out and who are in massive decline and kick us on.

 

I am buzzing for it.

 

I don't think klopp is in so much control. So that's why I have no faith. 

 

As for the buzzing, again, if we can bring in 2 quality replacements, happy days. But I don't have faith we'll do that either. And we've decided to approach the summer in such a serial fashion, that I wonder if we have the capability to do the midfield and the other parts they planned (or maybe we hoped) to do. 

 

And this is all before players like kelleher, thiago and matip might be out the door. 

 

Personally I think fsg will be sitting there trying to work out just how little they can give klopp and use this as an opportunity to recover the loss of income from no CL football. 

[Barrington Womble]

18 minutes ago, TD_LFC said:

 

Is there a manager who doesn't?

 

It doesn't mean it's going to happen because it's not always how transfers work, Klopp knows that.

I've never known one to be so fixated on it before. His emphasis on preseason is more than any manager I can ever recall. 

[TD_LFC]

1 minute ago, Barrington Womble said:

I've never known one to be so fixated on it before. His emphasis on preseason is more than any manager I can ever recall. 

 

Because they fucked up last pre-season so badly.

[an tha]

18 minutes ago, AngryOfTuebrook said:

I'd rather keep both of them, to be honest.  There's only so many midfielders you can replace in the one window without disrupting the squad to a season-wrecking degree.  If one of Henderson, Thiago and Fabinho were to leave and be replaced now, one in January and one next summer, I'd be happier with that pace of change.

Not for me - great chance to get rid of two players who have absolutely stunk the place out over last year - one who is in irreversible decline, and way off what we need and the other in decline and it is unlikely he'll get back to sort of level we need given the stiffness of the competition and how far behind them we have fallen.

 

I appreciate it is a lot of change in one go - but for me it will make us better and it is change that is long overdue - it can't for me be delayed any longer. 

 

Hendo would be even worse this year IMHO and I remain wholly unconvinced Fabinho has it in him to get back to a level like we want from him 

 

I appreciate not everyone feels same like....

[Barrington Womble]

1 minute ago, TD_LFC said:

 

Because they fucked up last pre-season so badly.

No, since the day he's walked through the door, he's always thrown emphasis on it. As I say, more than any manager I recall.