US Election 2020 Thread

[Bobby Hundreds]

Genuinely what he is doing as a tactic is undermining the entire US democratic system to protect his own ego. He should be told provide the evidence or shut the fuck up otherwise face a heavy penalty.

[Barrington Womble]

3 minutes ago, Bobby Hundreds said:

Genuinely what he is doing as a tactic is undermining the entire US democratic system to protect his own ego. He should be told provide the evidence or shut the fuck up otherwise face a heavy penalty.

It would be rather nice if the cunts in the GOP were to put him right. But they're so petrified of losing that trump core or doing something that might cause him or a family member run as an independent next time, they're just allowing him to trash everything.  

[sir roger]

I am amazed that he never seems to get sued for libel no matter what shit he post about people. I am aware libel is harder to process in the USA but I still cant see how he cant be brought to book on occasions.

[Dougie Do'ins]

 

Gov. DeSantis Introduces ‘Anti-Mob’ Legislation To Allow Floridians To Shoot Rioters And Looters

 

Republican Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis has proposed an “anti-mob” bill that would allow residents to shoot rioters and looters who target businesses following nationwide unrest.

 

The law would expand the state’s self-defense law, which currently forbids “the use of force in defense of property,” by increasing what constitutes a “forcible felony,” according to the Miami Herald. DeSantis seeks to make looting or “interruption or impairment” of a business such a felony, thereby justifying deadly force to prevent it, the local outlet reported.

 

The Republican’s bill would also make it a third-degree felony to obstruct traffic, and would allow drivers to have legal immunity if they unintentionally kill or maim anyone engaging in blocking a roadway during a demonstration, according to the Herald. The law, which is only a draft at the time of publishing, is also set to grant state authorities the ability to withhold funds from localities that choose to reduce their police budgets, the local outlet reported.

 

Critics of the bill claim the potential legislation will embolden vigilantes.

 

“It allows for vigilantes to justify their actions,” former Miami-Dade County prosecutor Denise Georges told the Herald. “It also allows for death to be the punishment for a property crime — and that is cruel and unusual punishment. We cannot live in a lawless society where taking a life is done so casually and recklessly.”

 

DeSantis’ push comes after months-long nationwide unrest that followed the death of George Floyd, who died after a Minneapolis police officer knelt on his neck for over eight minutes, video showed.

 

https://dailycaller.com/2020/11/11/ron-desantis-florida-residents-shoot-looters/

[TheHowieLama]

1 hour ago, sir roger said:

I am amazed that he never seems to get sued for libel no matter what shit he post about people. I am aware libel is harder to process in the USA but I still cant see how he cant be brought to book on occasions.

A federal judge on Thursday dismissed the Trump campaign's libel lawsuit against CNN for a critical opinion piece that was published last year.

Judge Michael Brown of the U.S. District Court for the Northern District of Georgia ruled that Trump's camp had failed to prove that CNN had demonstrated actual malice toward him, the legal standard required to prove libel against a public figure.

[Dougie Do'ins]

CNN breaking news that audits of ballots in Georgia have found no voter fraud at all.

 

Edit, it's Arizona.

[Carvalho Diablo]

CNN also reporting that Whitehouse insiders have told them that Trump intends to pardon himself!

[TheHowieLama]

7 hours ago, JustTosh said:

And the two GOP candidates are both extreme right wing Trumpists.

 

 

Loeffler is a conspiracy crank who if elected would be the wealthiest person in the Senate.

[Dougie Do'ins]

1 minute ago, Carvalho Diablo said:

CNN also reporting that Whitehouse insiders have told them that Trump intends to pardon himself!

They also said he can't as Nixon tried to do it and it couldn't be done. They're saying he could be looking into the possibility of pardoning the Trump Organisation.

[TheHowieLama]

2 minutes ago, Carvalho Diablo said:

CNN also reporting that Whitehouse insiders have told them that Trump intends to pardon himself!

With the cold shoulder he gets from Melania he probably pardons himself quite regularly.

[Anubis]

He cant pardon state crimes. SDNY are waiting patiently.

 

Meanwhile, the fun you could have with this while he was in the mall...

 

[mattyq]

Interesting article from a Princeton Prof

 

https://democracyjournal.org/arguments/the-gop-test/

 

President Donald Trump’s rejection of an orderly transfer of power to Joe Biden, accompanied now by his refusal to concede defeat based on fabricated allegations of electoral fraud, poses a profound threat to American democracy—the most profound yet of his dangerous presidency. That the Republican leadership has supported him in his subversion severely worsens the situation, with dire implications for the future of American politics.

It is unprecedented for an unsuccessful incumbent President and his leading congressional allies to refuse to acknowledge the results of an election. Since 1800-01—the first time the country experienced anything like a transfer of power from one party to another—defeated presidents have bowed to the will of the people. They have not always done so happily. After his loss in 1800, John Adams wrote bitterly that “we have no Americans in America,” and that “a group of foreign liars, encouraged by a few ambitious native gentlemen have discomfited the education, the talents, the virtues, and the property of the country.” Adams was so disgusted that he refused to attend the inauguration of his successor, Thomas Jefferson. But Adams accepted that, as he wrote, “we federalists” had been “completely and totally routed and defeated.”

In 1828, Adams’s son, John Quincy Adams, was depressed by his loss to Andrew Jackson after a savage campaign on both sides, although he had foreseen the outcome for some time. Like his father, Adams failed to show up for his successor’s inauguration, and a few years later protested when the Harvard Board of Overseers voted to present President Jackson with an honorary degree. (Himself a member of the Board, Adams boycotted that ceremony as well, dejected that “my darling Harvard” would honor “a barbarian who could hardly spell his own name.”) In 1869, the impeached and discredited Andrew Johnson, having been passed over for re-nomination, skipped the inauguration of Ulysses S. Grant.

But personal bitterness is one thing; disloyalty to democracy another. Until now, no defeated President has failed to respect the transfer of power, let alone deny the results of the election. There have been two hotly disputed elections, in 1876 and 2000, which produced prolonged wrangling over who won. But even then, once the winner was determined, the loser—first Samuel Tilden, then Al Gore—gave way.

Even on the verge of the Civil War, respect for democracy overcame nasty divisions. Incumbent James Buchanan was not a candidate in 1860, but he strongly opposed the antislavery politics of the new president, Abraham Lincoln, whose election prompted South Carolina and several other Southern states to declare their secession from the Union. Yet Buchanan rode in a carriage with Lincoln to the Capitol from the Willard Hotel near the White House. There, Chief Justice Roger B. Taney, whose opinion in the Dred Scott decision in 1857 had effectively declared the platform of the Republican Party unconstitutional, duly administered to Lincoln the oath of office. At the nation’s hour of maximum peril, the defeated acknowledged their defeat—except, of course, the Confederate secessionists who were posing the peril and who would dissolve the Union rather than submit to democracy.

Trump’s denial of the legitimacy of Biden’s election is a renunciation not just of American tradition but of the remaining chords of comity that are fundamental to American democracy. Urging his tens of millions of supporters as well as his congressional backers to reject Biden’s victory creates not simply a fissure but a chasm in the nation’s politics and government. It is one thing for a loser to criticize the new administration, hoping to turn public opinion against those who vanquished him. Herbert Hoover, after a brief decent interval following his defeat in 1932, became an implacable foe of Franklin D. Roosevelt’s policies, delivering one speech after another attacking the Administration, some of which he collected, four years later, as a book entitled American Ideals Versus the New Deal. Failed presidents may always try to regain the office. Martin Van Buren, an incumbent defeated in 1840, ran again on the third-party Free Soil Party ticket eight years later. Grover Cleveland, beaten in 1888, won the next time in 1892. But for Trump to deny Biden’s legitimacy moves beyond opposition into active betrayal of the constitutional compact, something closer to the Confederate secession, attempting to trash not only the new president but also the democratic process that elected him.

In the short run, of course, the Republican Party could shut down Trump’s assault by disowning it and acknowledging the new Administration as duly elected. Then it could perform as the loyal opposition. But its leaders, Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell and House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy, have supported the MAGA fantasy that Trump may well be the victim of a monumental fraud, if only it could be revealed. The damage the Republican leaders have already done to our democracy through their collaboration with Trump is incalculable. But their test today is far greater than whether they once again humor Trump’s reckless delusions for their own cynical ends, starting with winning the Senate runoff elections in Georgia. The larger question is whether the Republican Party wishes to remain a legitimate democratic political party. McConnell and McCarthy have already given their answers. If they and their respective caucuses persist, they will have tainted their party far beyond what Trump already has.

[Red Shift]

It won’t affect the result in Pa, but it does set a precedent. Jeez America doesn’t do ‘simple’.

 

https://www.oann.com/pa-judge-rules-late-arriving-ballots-shall-not-be-counted/

[Pidge]

Surely makes that system so much more open to abuse. Delay the delivery and they just get written off?

[Dougie Do'ins]

10 minutes ago, Red Shift said:

It won’t affect the result in Pa, but it does set a precedent. Jeez America doesn’t do ‘simple’.

 

https://www.oann.com/pa-judge-rules-late-arriving-ballots-shall-not-be-counted/

Does it ? It's unclear to me in this instance as I'm unsure if that only applies to this election. The article says.

 

Quote

On Thursday a judge sided with the Trump campaign, stating that the Democrat secretary of state in Pennsylvania did not have authority to extend the deadline for mail-in ballots. The judge pointed out that only the state legislature could do such.

 

So in future elections, can late ballots be counted providing they're given the go-a-head by state legislature ?

 

OANN. Hasn't that got links to Trump or one of his family ?

[mattyq]

Trump very much has his eye on OANN either to buy into it or run it, apparently

As far as I can see that ruling applies only to Pa and only in this election.

It doesn't say late ballots are illegal only the Judge who made the initial ruling overstepped his remit ad rules should be made by the State Legislature

[Dr Nowt]

A Donald v Rupert death match on live television is what this planet needs as 2020 draws towards its close.

 

Any and all weapons allowed.

[Bruce Spanner]

2 minutes ago, Dr Nowt said:

A Donald v Rupert death match on live television is what this planet needs as 2020 draws towards its close.

 

Any and all weapons allowed.

Both would forget why they were there are a couple of minutes.

 

Last to soil themselves wins.

[TheHowieLama]

38 minutes ago, Pidge said:

 Delay the delivery and they just get written off?

They were already being held aside as a pre-caution because the election commission there knew it would be an issue that could slow the process - none are in the current count and the judge is saying they should do the re-count first.

 

[Pete]

Just shoot the cunt and be done with all these shenanigans!

 

He’s clearly a danger to the USA and its democratic policy so put a nice shiny bullet between his eyes and end this idiocy. 

[Barrington Womble]

1 hour ago, Dougie Do'ins said:

They also said he can't as Nixon tried to do it and it couldn't be done. They're saying he could be looking into the possibility of pardoning the Trump Organisation.

A pardon can only pardon federal crimes anyway, so sdny will.get him on state charges. 

[TheHowieLama]

5 minutes ago, Pete said:

 

He’s clearly a danger to the USA and its democratic policy so put a nice shiny bullet between his eyes and end this idiocy. 

His lasting legacy - beyond introducing a new skin tone - may be leading to reform of racial inequalities by being a massive racist and leading to election reform by being a cry arse.

Pretty impressive when you break it down.

[Alan Sex]

 

[Pete]

8 hours ago, TheHowieLama said:

His lasting legacy - beyond introducing a new skin tone - may be leading to reform of racial inequalities by being a massive racist and leading to election reform by being a cry arse.

Pretty impressive when you break it down.

He’ll love that. Especially if it means he can’t take his plan forward to run again in 2024.  

[Mudface]

The calls for Bearden to take his rightful place as president have reached fever pitch-