Keir Starmer

[Strontium]

49 minutes ago, Hank Moody said:

I dunno who she is, but she seems like somebody who doesn’t quite get what’s going on. 

 

She was a member of the Militant tendency back in the 80s.

 

Loads of them seem to be millionaires now.

[Bjornebye]

Is she not allowed to be a millionaire? Ed Davey is a millionaire. Should he be attacked for that? 
 

Here is the clip of anyone wants to hear her rant. Starmer doesn’t know where to look. 
 

 

 

 

[AngryOfTuebrook]

2 hours ago, Strontium said:

She was a member of the Militant tendency back in the 80s.

 

Loads of them seem to be millionaires now.

"Seem to be" doing all the heavy lifting there.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

3 hours ago, Hank Moody said:

That was before the 2020 suspension apparently. I see no grounds for libel on this one. Is it untrue? I just started reading the IPSO adjudication and burst out laughing at how much of a cunt I am for doing so and then immediately closed it. What it does look like is that she is a big Corbyn fan who has been suspended from the party. I dunno who she is, but she seems like somebody who doesn’t quite get what’s going on. 

She's a lifelong trade unionist, Labour Party activist and now one of the leaders of the Merseyside Pensioners Association.  She knows what's going on.

[torahboy]

The Jewish Chronicle tells more lies than another anti-Socialist rag that tried to smear people in this city. Got it all wrong this time.

 

https://www.ipso.co.uk/rulings-and-resolution-statements/ruling/?id=01740-19

[Bjornebye]

2 hours ago, AngryOfTuebrook said:

"Seem to be" doing all the heavy lifting there.

Easy way to shoehorn bullshit in. 

[Numero Veinticinco]

3 hours ago, torahboy said:

The Jewish Chronicle tells more lies than another anti-Socialist rag that tried to smear people in this city. Got it all wrong this time.

 

https://www.ipso.co.uk/rulings-and-resolution-statements/ruling/?id=01740-19

Put of interest, did you read that. I'm seeing people posting it around the place, but I've now read it, and every new paragraph I'm thinking 'there's no way they've read this'. 

[Numero Veinticinco]

4 hours ago, AngryOfTuebrook said:

She's a lifelong trade unionist, Labour Party activist and now one of the leaders of the Merseyside Pensioners Association.  She knows what's going on.

What I'm seeing is those who are politically aligned with her calling her a legend for sticking it to 'Tory Starmer', sharing the IPSO document over and over after Ash shared it, and rambling on about how somebody like her should be the Labour leader. They're also banging on about 'his face' a lot, as if he should somehow have started taking her apart point-by-point and ended up looking like Brown vs 'that bigoted woman'. Then those who aren't aligned with her are bringing out all sorts of stuff about how much of a clown she is, how shitty it was to ambush him like that, and then digging into her - seemingly rather dubious - past and her present dealings. It's almost as if the entire thing is a wee bit tribal. 

 

I didn't really want to pass too much judgement without actually knowing who she is or what the motives were. That hasn't seemed to stop people on social media from defending her as if she were their nan. What's missing here is 1) an actual rebuttal to her quite easily refuted rant 2) acceptance that she might not actually be a good faith actor. 

[Harry's Lad]

25 minutes ago, Hank Moody said:

What I'm seeing is those who are politically aligned with her calling her a legend for sticking it to 'Tory Starmer', sharing the IPSO document over and over after Ash shared it, and rambling on about how somebody like her should be the Labour leader. They're also banging on about 'his face' a lot, as if he should somehow have started taking her apart point-by-point and ended up looking like Brown vs 'that bigoted woman'. Then those who aren't aligned with her are bringing out all sorts of stuff about how much of a clown she is, how shitty it was to ambush him like that, and then digging into her - seemingly rather dubious - past and her present dealings. It's almost as if the entire thing is a wee bit tribal. 

 

I didn't really want to pass too much judgement without actually knowing who she is or what the motives were. That hasn't seemed to stop people on social media from defending her as if she were their nan. What's missing here is 1) an actual rebuttal to her quite easily refuted rant 2) acceptance that she might not actually be a good faith actor. 

She's right about him writing for the rag though isn't she.

It's a major bugbear of mine.

 

I don't like the idea of any Labour leader prostituting themselves by sucking Murdoch's cock in the hope of another 'It’s the *** wot won it' headline.

[Jose Jones]

1 minute ago, Harry's Lad said:

She's right about him writing for the rag though isn't she.

It's a major bugbear of mine.

 

I don't like the idea of any Labour leader prostituting themselves by sucking Murdoch's cock in the hope of another 'It’s the *** wot won it' headline.

Maybe he just wanted to shag Jerry Hall?

He can stop now then.

[Numero Veinticinco]

Just now, Harry's Lad said:

She's right about him writing for the rag though isn't she.

It's a major bugbear of mine.

 

I don't like the idea of any Labour leader prostituting themselves by sucking Murdoch's cock in the hope of another 'It’s the *** wot won it' headline.

I don't think she is right about it, to be honest. I hate that rag, it's disgusting. As a Liverpool fan but also as a human being, I think it's gutter trash. That said, I'm not stupid and I think if I was leader of the Labour party I would have to write an article to appear in it. Why? For the same reason that Tony Benn said he would and for the same reason Diane Abbott did; to get my point of view across to potential voters, ones who aren't Liverpool fans and who just pick it up for the tits on page three and the shitty sports columns, to curry favour and win an election. Or I at least acknowledge them being in power is worse than the Sun. I hate the Sun, but I hate the Tories more. If that gets me backlash, so be it.  

[Harry's Lad]

11 minutes ago, Hank Moody said:

I don't think she is right about it, to be honest. I hate that rag, it's disgusting. As a Liverpool fan but also as a human being, I think it's gutter trash. That said, I'm not stupid and I think if I was leader of the Labour party I would have to write an article to appear in it. Why? For the same reason that Tony Benn said he would and for the same reason Diane Abbott did; to get my point of view across to potential voters, ones who aren't Liverpool fans and who just pick it up for the tits on page three and the shitty sports columns, to curry favour and win an election. Or I at least acknowledge them being in power is worse than the Sun. I hate the Sun, but I hate the Tories more. If that gets me backlash, so be it.  

I disagree.

[Numero Veinticinco]

Just now, Harry's Lad said:

I disagree.

And that's absolutely fine. It does make you wonder how legit Ms White's issue actually is when she castigates Starmer for it but has a picture of her and Tony Benn - who would have done the same thing - in her avatar. 

[Harry's Lad]

3 minutes ago, Hank Moody said:

And that's absolutely fine. It does make you wonder how legit Ms White's issue actually is when she castigates Starmer for it but has a picture of her and Tony Benn - who would have done the same thing - in her avatar. 

Tony Benn was a towering figure in the Labour Party, one I had huge respect for.

I understand the reasoning, but I don't agree with it.

My principles and my hatred of that rag and the cunt who owns it will not let me.

[Numero Veinticinco]

Just now, Harry's Lad said:

Tony Benn was a towering figure in the Labour Party, one I had huge respect for.

I understand the reasoning, but I don't agree with it.

My principles and my hatred of that rag and the cunt who owns it will not let me.

Yes, he was a towering figure in the Labour Party, and I also had huge respect for him. That doesn't take away from the fact that he'd have written for the Sun if he had the chance. I'm not sure how you balance the two things whilst also holding your view on Starmer, but to each his own. I can only speak from my own perspective and the minute a Labour leader stops doing what it takes to win elections and starts putting things like hatred of a certain rag in the way of that, that's the minute they lose me. My principles and my hatred of the Tories, and my hatred of the impact they have on people's daily lives, won't let me feel any other way. It's so much more important that our NHS isn't dismantled, that our kids aren't starving, that mothers aren't choosing between heating and eating, etc., than it is which paper they use  to get their message across. That's why I disagree with her comments on him writing for that rag. 

[lifetime fan]

43 minutes ago, Harry's Lad said:

I don't like the idea of any Labour leader prostituting themselves by sucking Murdoch's cock in the hope of another 'It’s the *** wot won it' headline.

No one wants to see the Labour Party cuckold itself to Murdoch. And I completely understand the absolute hatred you have for that rag, I share it. 
 

But I’d rather that despicable rag trying to pretend it won Labour a GE every day of the week for the next 100 years as it would obviously be a massive improvement for society. 
 

 

[Scooby Dudek]

Maybe it feels worse because whilst in Liverpool he condemned the Sun and said he wouldn't do an interview with it. 

Then once he won the election, went out and did an interview with the Sun. 

 

You could argue that it shows he will say/do anything to win an election and see that as a good thing. I don't.

[lifetime fan]

4 minutes ago, Scooby Dudek said:

Maybe it feels worse because whilst in Liverpool he condemned the Sun and said he wouldn't do an interview with it. 

Then once he won the election, went out and did an interview with the Sun. 

 

You could argue that it shows he will say/do anything to win an election and see that as a good thing. I don't.

If he said that (and I’m not doubting you mate) then he was stupid and politically naive. 
 

As much as I hate the current political system any Labour leader who wants to be PM has to attract s*n and hate mail readers. 

[Arniepie]

7 hours ago, AngryOfTuebrook said:

She's a lifelong trade unionist, Labour Party activist and now one of the leaders of the Merseyside Pensioners Association.  She knows what's going on.

Yeah but she is a millionaire.

[Scooby Dudek]

6 minutes ago, lifetime fan said:

If he said that (and I’m not doubting you mate) then he was stupid and politically naive. 
 

As much as I hate the current political system any Labour leader who wants to be PM has to attract s*n and hate mail readers. 

He did, the leadership hustings at the Echo arena. 

I don't think he was being naive in as much as he knew his audience and said what could turn people to vote for him. 

When he then did an interview he will have known there will be a backlash but balanced that compared to the positives, as he sees them.

 

As a lot of people are saying, I don't care, he should say whatever it takes to get elected, (this is not a dig at anyone), then it was worth the lie in Liverpool and the backlash.

 

 

The irony, for me, being he didn't need to say that in Liverpool, condemn the rag and move on. Whilst there would have still been people upset about his interview, he could have easily justified it to reach a larger audience.

[Harry's Lad]

7 minutes ago, Hank Moody said:

Yes, he was a towering figure in the Labour Party, and I also had huge respect for him. That doesn't take away from the fact that he'd have written for the Sun if he had the chance. I'm not sure how you balance the two things whilst also holding your view on Starmer, but to each his own. I can only speak from my own perspective and the minute a Labour leader stops doing what it takes to win elections and starts putting things like hatred of a certain rag in the way of that, that's the minute they lose me. My principles and my hatred of the Tories, and my hatred of the impact they have on people's daily lives, won't let me feel any other way. It's so much more important that our NHS isn't dismantled, that our kids aren't starving, that mothers aren't choosing between heating and eating, etc., than it is which paper they use  to get their message across. That's why I disagree with her comments on him writing for that rag. 

 

5 minutes ago, lifetime fan said:

No one wants to see the Labour Party cuckold itself to Murdoch. And I completely understand the absolute hatred you have for that rag, I share it. 
 

But I’d rather that despicable rag trying to pretend it won Labour a GE every day of the week for the next 100 years as it would obviously be a massive improvement for society. 
 

 

I understand your points lads, I loathe the Tories and want them out too.

But I can't bring myself to accept the sucking up to that bastard and his instrument of lies.

 

I wasn't at Hillsborough thank God, but I know people who were and we all know someone who knew someone who was lost.

 

A week or so after, we were in a social club where the artiste sang YNWA. It was a beautiful rendition and she was in tears singing it. 

Some poor fella who we were told had been there was so upset he had to be helped out.

I was in tears myself seeing it.

 

We know the lies they spouted which they refused to retract and even though they knew the damage and the hurt they were causing they just doubled down.

 

I'm sorry lads, you might think I'm cutting my nose off to spite my face, but that's how I feel 

 

 

 

 

[ZonkoVille77]

I guess we need more millionaires with the same fire in their belly as she has.

 

I'm no Starmer fan but I can absolutely see the need to use that rag to get messages across. Like it or lump it it's still a powerful outlet aimed at knuckle-draggers, and it was knuckle-draggers wot made the last election good for the Tories.

[Creator Supreme]

What an appalling situation though, to have to speak to that rag to make yourself electable to the fuckwits that read it! What a cuntry!

 

The S*n boycott is still very much a parochial thing, mainly Liverpool / Merseyside based. It's read with impunity in most places I've travelled for work, Manchester, London, Edinburgh, Glasgow etc.

 

Hell you only have to go as far as St Helens to find copies of the fucking thing on sale!

 

Education outside Merseyside is key, but because it was 97 Liverpool fans who died, people still aren't listening!

[Arniepie]

I think the kicker is going to be if Murdoch expects Anything back in return, and it would be quite naive to expect this not to be the case

 

[torahboy]

5 hours ago, Hank Moody said:

Put of interest, did you read that. I'm seeing people posting it around the place, but I've now read it, and every new paragraph I'm thinking 'there's no way they've read this'. 

'Put' of interest, yes I did.

 

It exposes what an amateur and malicious bunch of journalists attacked the woman. I suppose some would suggest that the unproven complaints of breaching some latter IPSO clauses substantiates some of the JC assertions, yet the major journalistic crime of breachinng clause 1 (Accuracy) was proven. Facts, although they may be an obstacle to destroying an individual's character, do matter. The Jewish Chronicle in its zealous campaign against Corbyn and his supporters appear to have forgotten that .... er .... fact.