VAR Thoughts?

[an tha]

8 hours ago, Mook said:

 

Complete and utter nonsense.

 

Most of the decisions are subjective so it is impossible to take human beings out of the equation.

What?

[Barrington Womble]

12 hours ago, Dicko said:

VAR is now a way of being able to scrutinise referees.

They don't want that, but every decision these stupid cunts make is further proof that it's needed.

 

VAR is a success because it's proven better and more impartial referees are required.

 

VAR is a success? You'd be in a minority of one on that I think. Even VAR's biggest advocates don't think it's been a success. 

 

4 hours ago, Megadrive Man said:

The ONLY way to stop time wasting is to change it to being two halves of 30 minutes where the ball is in play.

 

That would solve the problem easy enough.

 

Yeah, but it doesn't stop the aim of breaking the game and rhythm. But we're already adding minutes on, this season we're at an average of 58 mins of the ball in play I saw at the weekend. Up from 54 last season. The problem with all of these laws, is our refs aren't good enough. That Fulham one above is a great example. Maybe the arsenal player should be booked for stopping the game advance. 

 

I'm not sure what the real answer is. But what we're doing now, booking people for no real timewasting at all, is just fucking nonsense. 

[VladimirIlyich]

18 hours ago, Barrington Womble said:

Behave. Var is shit on every level. People say it's only our league, but it's not. I watch loads of uefa football and it's shite. It's shite everywhere. It was shite in the world cup. 

Is the right answer. The problem is that it's defo not going anywhere until after the next World Cup and/or a newspaper reporter uncovers the shady links between it's use and a corrupt FIFA official.

[Dicko]

It's not VAR it's referees.

Why can't people make that distinction, while you're all crying about VAR you're ignoring the incompetence of the referees.

[Mook]

23 minutes ago, Dicko said:

It's not VAR it's referees.

Why can't people make that distinction, while you're all crying about VAR you're ignoring the incompetence of the referees.

 

It's both and nobody is ignoring anything. A quick look in the Newcastle match thread will tell you we're all up in arms about the state of the refereeing.

[Jose Jones]

The FA should announce that they are setting up independent VAR panels outside of the usual PGMOL twats. 

Either VAR would get more decisions right, or more likely the refs would refuse to ref with it, and so it would get fucked off.

 

[JustTosh]

20 hours ago, aws said:

The only way it will work properly is to stop it being used primarily as a means to boost the myth they like to peddle that the refs are all-seeing, all-knowing and beyond criticism. If the ref might have got a vital call wrong, just tell him to look at it again on the face-saving basis that he probably didn’t have a clear view of the incident. 

For game changing decisions like pens and red cards the bar for VAR to be involved shouldn't be "clear and obvious mistake", simply: "This is a diffucult call, go and have a look again om the monitor" and we should all be OK with a ref sticking to his initial decision. For it to work refs must have the cojones to reconsider and admit they were wrong in the first place, so that rules oiut the PL refs I'm afraid.

 

[Jurgen Knows]

On 25/08/2023 at 22:27, TD_LFC said:

 

World Cup VAR worked really well and they had semi-automated offsides, obviously difficult to do some other elements of VAR like that but they should be looking to bring offsides in at a bare minimum instead of some ref drawing a wavy line across the pitch.

VAR seems to work better almost everywhere else in the world.

[Barrington Womble]

15 hours ago, JustTosh said:

For game changing decisions like pens and red cards the bar for VAR to be involved shouldn't be "clear and obvious mistake", simply: "This is a diffucult call, go and have a look again om the monitor" and we should all be OK with a ref sticking to his initial decision. For it to work refs must have the cojones to reconsider and admit they were wrong in the first place, so that rules oiut the PL refs I'm afraid.

 

If the ref went to the monitor every time he got a big decision wrong, we might see 40 mins added time at the end of each half. 

[JustTosh]

2 hours ago, Barrington Womble said:

If the ref went to the monitor every time he got a big decision wrong, we might see 40 mins added time at the end of each half. 

Red card incident: Maybe once a match. Game's-probably  stopped anyway with player down/medics. 40 mins added time? Slightly exaggerated?

[Barrington Womble]

4 hours ago, JustTosh said:

Red card incident: Maybe once a match. Game's-probably  stopped anyway with player down/medics. 40 mins added time? Slightly exaggerated?

We get 10-15 mins when nothing happens in some games. But you know it won't be just red card incidents, it'll be goals, pens, absolutely everything. And all var does is slow and kill the game. The only real way to improve var is to turn the cameras off. 

[Bob]

57 minutes ago, Barrington Womble said:

We get 10-15 mins when nothing happens in some games. But you know it won't be just red card incidents, it'll be goals, pens, absolutely everything. And all var does is slow and kill the game. The only real way to improve var is to turn the cameras off. 

You might be onto something. Turn the cameras off, and get football back behind closed doors at the same time, and we can just get the score off teletext and move on with our fucking lives.

[TheHowieLama]

Golas are already reviewed - there is not a red card incident every game nor a is a pelanty given.

 

The one place it should work effectively is the call that is fucking everything up - offside.

[Jennings]

On 30/08/2023 at 12:52, TheHowieLama said:

The one place it should work effectively is the call that is fucking everything up - offside.

 

It shouldn't be used for offsides, until it can validate every forward pass. Only checking for offsides if there's been a goal is mental.

[CapeRed]

Brookes on VAR lost night apparently overlooked a stonewall pen for Luton last night. I haven’t seen it so can’t comment.

[Rushies tash]

20 minutes ago, CapeRed said:

Brookes on VAR lost night apparently overlooked a stonewall pen for Luton last night. I haven’t seen it so can’t comment.

 

 

[CapeRed]

1 minute ago, Rushies tash said:

 

 

FFS how incompetent do you have to be to miss that???

[Trumo]

Just now, CapeRed said:

FFS how incompetent do you have to be to miss that???

 

PGMOL standard.

[CapeRed]

2 minutes ago, Trumo said:

 

PGMOL standard.

I wonder how many we’ll see this weekend.

[Trumo]

Yet another example of the problem with VAR being the people in charge of using it. Quite how the slapdick in charge of VAR initially thought the goal had been given beggars belief given that the linesman's flag went up immediately (aren't they meant to wait unless it is blatantly obvious?), the ref's whistle went, and there was no celebration from our players. How do you manage to still fuck up a decision when given multiple chances to take another look?

[ZonkoVille77]

9 minutes ago, Trumo said:

Yet another example of the problem with VAR being the people in charge of using it. Quite how the slapdick in charge of VAR initially thought the goal had been given beggars belief given that the linesman's flag went up immediately (aren't they meant to wait unless it is blatantly obvious?), the ref's whistle went, and there was no celebration from our players. How do you manage to still fuck up a decision when given multiple chances to take another look?

 

Corruption

[Guest]

On 02/09/2023 at 09:23, Rushies tash said:

 

 

That looks like they could have had two pelanties.

[Red74]

Remembered they fucked us over at chelsea 1st game when they disallowed a perfectly good salah goal for another ridiculous offside

[Red74]

8 minutes ago, Red74 said:

Remembered they fucked us over at chelsea 1st game when they disallowed a perfectly good salah goal for another ridiculous offside

Hey fucking presto. Just seen that Darren England was on VAR that day too

[Moo]

1 hour ago, Trumo said:

Yet another example of the problem with VAR being the people in charge of using it. Quite how the slapdick in charge of VAR initially thought the goal had been given beggars belief given that the linesman's flag went up immediately (aren't they meant to wait unless it is blatantly obvious?), the ref's whistle went, and there was no celebration from our players. How do you manage to still fuck up a decision when given multiple chances to take another look?

 

Because it's clearly a concoction made after the event to explain one of the most egregious "VAR" errors you could ever witness. No explanation would have been believable but of all the ones they thought up for it, they incredibly decided to go with that one.