Should Corbyn remain as Labour leader?

[Strontium]

59 minutes ago, Section_31 said:

racist white van man cockneys who love Alan Sugar

 

White racists are certainly well known for their love of Jews.

[sir roger]

1 hour ago, Section_31 said:

 

That's where I am. There's an element of bloody mindedness to it and I freely admit that. Even when I had concerns over Corbyn I'd defend him against attacks I thought were unjustified, of which there were many, and for a time that resulted in me supporting him even more because I felt he was an underdog who was getting unfairly treated. 

 

The irony is, that's how I felt about Starmer when he was elected. There'd been 

 

The party needs to unite. Due to the havoc wrought by Thatcher, much like the Democrats there simply aren't the troop numbers to reconstitute a truly, exclusively left wing/working class Labour support. It has to become a party of 'everyone but the Tories'. A lot of Corbyn followers' messaging would have scared a lot of people in those various camps off. 

 

 

It appears the party only needs to unite once any left wing leader isnt in place. You or Numero said that it is strange that Corbyn supporters are doing what they complained about from the centrists / right wing , but they never made any attempt to get behind Corbyn , so you are in effect saying they were happy to screw you but we want you to forget that and help them wipe you out.

[Numero Veinticinco]

3 minutes ago, sir roger said:

It appears the party only needs to unite once any left wing leader isnt in place. You or Numero said that it is strange that Corbyn supporters are doing what they complained about from the centrists / right wing , but they never made any attempt to get behind Corbyn , so you are in effect saying they were happy to screw you but we want you to forget that and help them wipe you out.

I’ve been slaying the left for lack of unity for many, many years on here. Way before Corbynites knew who Corbyn was. If they don’t forget it, and seek vengeance, then the cycle continues. 

[sir roger]

Have you slayed the right for their shenanigans over the past few years , I seem to have missed it ?

[Numero Veinticinco]

20 minutes ago, sir roger said:

Have you slayed the right for their shenanigans over the past few years , I seem to have missed it ?

The right? No, I’m talking about the unity in the left, or the lack of it. And yes, I have castigated those you consider ‘the right’ (the centre left, generally). Many times. 
 

BTW, I meant ‘slating’ not slaying. It was my phone l’s autocorrect. I didn’t murder people. 

[cloggypop]

[Section_31]

30 minutes ago, sir roger said:

It appears the party only needs to unite once any left wing leader isnt in place. You or Numero said that it is strange that Corbyn supporters are doing what they complained about from the centrists / right wing , but they never made any attempt to get behind Corbyn , so you are in effect saying they were happy to screw you but we want you to forget that and help them wipe you out.

 

I genuinely don't think the party became fractured because Corbyn was 'left wing', and as I've said before I don't think he's especially socialist in the English Labour Party sense of the phrase, I'd have him down more as a trendy liberal hippy. John McDonnell is left wing/socialist in the traditional sense of the word, Rebecca Long Bailey just regurgitates spiel. People have seized ownership of the words 'left wing' and 'socialist' but I don't see it myself, I just see people saying 'solidarity' and 'comrade' quite a bit. I suspect Corbyn's biggest crime was being an 'outsider', much like Bernie Sanders. 

 

Corbyn was largely disliked by other MPs because he'd always been a rogue. He wasn't especially arsed with getting any policy through, he just liked speaking out and protesting, and that's fair enough, but he probably wasn't someone who a lot of MPs were especially optimistic about following into battle.

 

I don't really understand what you're getting at to be honest with the fact I'm bemoaning people having a go at Starmer over daft shit like the fact he's a knight, before he was even days into the job. His biggest crime for many is that he's not Corbyn. 

 

Ed Miliband was considered left wing but he was a shite leader, I don't remember people being accused of being centrists/rightwing/blairites for stating that opinion.  

 

 

 

 

[Gnasher]

2 hours ago, cloggypop said:

Boss.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

8 hours ago, Kevin D said:

If you're in Corbyn's press office, how do you not lead with that story every single day?

 

Get Brexit done? He's a lying posh boy twat; when Corbyn was saving a random constituent's daughter from being kidnapped, this cunt was selling his mayoral office to the highest bidder while shagging behind his cancer ridden wife's back.

 

If he doesn't think twice about fucking them over, what do you think him and his arsehole oxbridge twats will do to you?

Even allowing for the fact that 99.9% of the media ganged up in a frenzy of lies, smears, libel and gobshitery, I still think that Corbyn's press team took the shit hand they'd been dealt and played it really badly. The way the obvious and easily disprovable lie "Labour rejects IHRA definition" was allowed to become accepted as fact reflects badly on everyone. 

[Bjornebye]

And people on here slag this man off. 

 

 

 

 

[Numero Veinticinco]

The best way to stop that was from being in power before the referendum in Tory manifesto won an election, then it was winning the referendum, then it was winning the election. Unfortunately they didn't win anything, which is where the criticism comes from, and a tweet - as heartfelt as it surely is - won't do anything to stop the Tories. People shouldn't slag the man off on a personal level, but surely criticism of his job as a high ranking politician paid for pay the state should be fair game?

[Rico1304]

59 minutes ago, Bjornebye said:

And people on here slag this man off. 

 

 

 

 

He’s the Roy Hodgson of politics. Ok, as long as he’s not in charge of your club. 

[Strontium]

18 minutes ago, Rico1304 said:

He’s the Roy Hodgson of politics.

 

Ha, I was reading an old thread today where someone had said that about Ed Miliband.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

7 hours ago, Numero said:

The best way to stop that was from being in power before the referendum 

Not sure anyone could pin that on Corbyn.

 

Lisa Nandy would probably try, like.

[Numero Veinticinco]

5 hours ago, AngryofTuebrook said:

Not sure anyone could pin that on Corbyn.

 

Lisa Nandy would probably try, like.

Indeed. The failure to keep the Tories out runs deep. Far deeper that Corbyn. 

[Gnasher]

31 minutes ago, Numero said:

Indeed. The failure to keep the Tories out runs deep. Far deeper that Corbyn. 

Indeed. Although you made that analysis at the start of a post that was once again critical of Corbyn. 

[Gnasher]

13 hours ago, Numero said:

The best way to stop that was from being in power before the referendum in Tory manifesto won an election, then it was winning the referendum, then it was winning the election. Unfortunately they didn't win anything, which is where the criticism comes from, and a tweet - as heartfelt as it surely is - won't do anything to stop the Tories. People shouldn't slag the man off on a personal level, but surely criticism of his job as a high ranking politician paid for pay the state should be fair game?

Hmmm?

[Numero Veinticinco]

11 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

Indeed. Although you made that analysis at the start of a post that was once again critical of Corbyn. 

Erm, yes. I am critical of Corbyn. Are you confused again? There’s a difference between the problem running deeper than Corbyn (please start reading what I’m replying to) and Corbyn having nothing to do with it. Unless, of course, you think Corbyn - leader of the Labour Party - has no responsibility at all. I wouldn’t put it passed you to be honest. 
 

Corbyn can’t be blamed for not winning the 2010 election. Corbyn can’t be blamed for Brown or Miliband’s poor performance. He can be blamed for the terrible performance of the Labour Party under his leadership, just as Starmer will if he leads the party to massive defeat. 

[Gnasher]

Just now, Numero said:

Erm, yes. I am critical of Corbyn. Are you confused again? There’s a difference between the problem running deeper than Corbyn and Corbyn having nothing to do with it. 

Yeah I am a bit confused, I just wondered why in your reply post where you answered to a post regarding Corbyn and the general gist of your reply was to criticise Corbyn you started your response with a point that had very little to do with Jeremy Corbyn.

 

 

[Gnasher]

13 hours ago, Numero said:

The best way to stop that was from being in power before the referendum in Tory manifesto won an election, then it was winning the referendum, then it was winning the election. Unfortunately they didn't win anything, which is where the criticism comes from, and a tweet - as heartfelt as it surely is - won't do anything to stop the Tories. People shouldn't slag the man off on a personal level, but surely criticism of his job as a high ranking politician paid for pay the state should be fair game?

 

The above is the post I'm talking about, as Angry said what has your first sentence got to do with Jeremy Corbyn's leadership?

[Numero Veinticinco]

It’s like talking to a child. I was responding to the Corbyn tweet and the contents of it. Then, after that, responding to the ‘slagging off’ comment. I was criticising Labour. I’ve done it many times on here, probably in this thread, for Brown, Miliband, and Corbyn. I didn’t blame Corbyn for it and I’m not under the illusion that he was leader prior to 2010. I listed the things that could have stopped it. I didn’t say he was responsible for all of them. The things he was responsible for deserves criticism of his leadership. The things he isn’t responsible for don’t. Either way, he doesn’t deserve personal slagging off. I’ve been consistent on this. 

[Gnasher]

14 minutes ago, Numero said:

It’s like talking to a child. I was responding to the Corbyn tweet and the contents of it. Then, after that, responding to the ‘slagging off’ comment. I was criticising Labour. I’ve done it many times on here, probably in this thread, for Brown, Miliband, and Corbyn. I didn’t blame Corbyn for it and I’m not under the illusion that he was leader prior to 2010. I listed the things that could have stopped it. I didn’t say he was responsible for all of them. The things he was responsible for deserves criticism of his leadership. The things he isn’t responsible for don’t. Either way, he doesn’t deserve personal slagging off. I’ve been consistent on this. 

Whoa, it was angry who pointed out your ambiguity not me. I was merely asking why in a post responding to Jeremy Corbyn you replied with a list of criticisms and then named Jeremy Corbyn when one of the criticisms had little to do with Jeremy Corbyn.

[Numero Veinticinco]

5 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

named Jeremy Corbyn 

Huff. 

[AngryOfTuebrook]

1 hour ago, Numero said:

Indeed. The failure to keep the Tories out runs deep. Far deeper that Corbyn. 

Labour's share of the vote declined in successive elections under Blair, Brown and Milliband, mainly because they failed to offer anything different to the Tory platform of privatisation, cuts, inequality, militarism, authoritarianism and racism. We only reversed this trend in 2017 (despite the best efforts of cunts in Labour HQ and in the PLP to divide and undermine the party) by offering an alternative to "politics as usual".

 

Whatever lessons are drawn from the defeat of 2019, we mustn't return to the failed pre-Corbyn approach. 

[Numero Veinticinco]

3 minutes ago, AngryofTuebrook said:

Labour's share of the vote declined in successive elections under Blair, Brown and Milliband, mainly because they failed to offer anything different to the Tory platform of privatisation, cuts, inequality, militarism, authoritarianism and racism. We only reversed this trend in 2017 (despite the best efforts of cunts in Labour HQ and in the PLP to divide and undermine the party) by offering an alternative to "politics as usual".

 

Whatever lessons are drawn from the defeat of 2019, we mustn't return to the failed pre-Corbyn approach. 

This is a creative framing of those events, mate.