Should Corbyn remain as Labour leader?

[Anubis]

11 minutes ago, viRdjil said:

I genuinely believe that (what Corbyn getting wrong IMO) in the current political environment the only way to get to no 10, is not through “kinder, gentler politics”, but through (left-wing) populism led by a strong demagogue. Turn the working class against ‘elite’. Get personal. Tell the people that the tories are would happily send you to the slaughterhouse for a pack of crisps. Keep repeating the Thatcher assassination joke. Boris Johnson being a popular PM is evidence of that IMO. 

Isn’t that what the Socialist Workers Party have been trying since forever?

[Nelly-Szoboszlai]

Before we start talking about new leaders, I'm waiting to see how accurate these predictions of a collapse in the tory vote if we haven't Brexited by 31st October are. 

 

On the subject though, she's not my personal choice, but Angela Rayner seems to be getting thrust into the spotlight quite a lot recently. I wouldn't be surprised if she's being groomed (for want of a better word) for a leadership role. 

[Stickman]

I guess left wing socialist Jews are not the right kind of Jew

 

 

[aRdja]

Just now, Stickman said:

I guess left wing socialist Jews are not the right kind of Jew

 

 

Massive own goal there. 

[Nelly-Szoboszlai]

19 minutes ago, Stickman said:

I guess left wing socialist Jews are not the right kind of Jew

 

 

So dishonest too. She wasn't suspended "for antisemitism."

 

She was suspended while an allegation of antisemitism was investigated and she was subsequently cleared of any wrongdoing.

 

Her "Jew process" shout was just a really clumsy and unfunny attempt at a pun. 

 

Like this was. 

 

https://www.thejc.com/culture/film/jew-know-why-we-love-annie-hall-1.59960

[ZonkoVille77]

 

[Sugar Ape]

The following four Labour MPs abstained on the Letwin amendment on Saturday.

 

And now I’m in bed sick as a dog and haven’t been able to sleep, finally drop off and get woken up almost straight away by this text from Rosie Cooper. Yeah, that’s going to be a massive fucking NO from me.

 

 

[Jairzinho]

What happens if you text the word "CUNT"?

[Dougie Do'ins]

The Tories have been in power since May 2010. They've had three leaders, two of them unelected and have dragged the nation though a mountain austerity shit.

 

You'd think any decent opposition would walk the next GE. 

[Numero Veinticinco]

17 minutes ago, Dougie Do'ins said:

The Tories have been in power since May 2010. They've had three leaders, two of them unelected and have dragged the nation though a mountain austerity shit.

 

You'd think any decent opposition would walk the next GE. 

You’d think. 

[moof]

Could try supporting them. If that set of policies doesn’t move you to vote for labour, what are you even doing?

 

Too many supposedly intelligent people buying into corporate media hype about electability or some other nonsense notion. If you are politically engaged and you’re not actively talking to people about the systemic economic and social issues that need to be addressed then what are you doing? One of these parties is going to win, Labour or Conservative. 

[aRdja]

1 hour ago, Dougie Do'ins said:

The Tories have been in power since May 2010. They've had three leaders, two of them unelected and have dragged the nation though a mountain austerity shit.

 

You'd think any decent opposition would walk the next GE. 

No left wing opposition would ever ‘walk’ the GE so long as Murdoch, Barclay brothers and Viscount Rothernere are still breathing unfortunately Dougie.

[Denny Crane]

2 hours ago, viRdjil said:

No left wing opposition would ever ‘walk’ the GE so long as Murdoch, Barclay brothers and Viscount Rothernere are still breathing unfortunately Dougie.

I'd also add its not just the likes of the obvious tabloids. If many other commentators hadn't spent the last 3 years playing fantasy politics and attacking the only credible option to sorting out this mess. The situation would look different. To add insult to injury they have lauded the likes of Boles, Rudd, Clarke, Stewart, Jo Johnson and any random Tory who will support any deal Johnson puts forward. 

 

 

 

 

 

[aRdja]

8 minutes ago, Denny Crane said:

the likes of Boles, Rudd, Clarke, Stewart, Jo Johnson

The sensibles

[Dr Nowt]

On 24/09/2019 at 18:21, Lizzie Birdsworths Wrinkled Chopper said:

Pretty much mate, it’s £105k-£110k per patient per year, I believe. Apparently its £280k equivalent in the States, as per a comparison table I was looking at a few weeks back showing the vastly increased prices US health insurance companies pay for the same drugs over there. Separate conversation, but a paranoia I have of any trade deal with the US. Trump has been saying for years he wants the prices other countries pay for medications brought in line with the States, and I read a comment attributed to Johnson recently saying our NHS wouldn’t become an insurance-based service like theirs, but pharmaceuticals could theoretically be on the table in negotiations. Seen nowt more than that, but I just have a sense of dread they may agree to more comparable pricing and the cost of meds to the NHS could even increase, with inevitable knock-on effects. It strikes me as exactly the sort of mealy-mouthed thing that shaved honey monster in a shit suit-looking cunt would do while claiming to have preserved the sanctity of our health service.

 

Back on topic, Orkambi is to all intents and purposes already obsolete, it’s more the ongoing argument over what happens regarding it’s successors (future advancements in medication by the same drug company being included or not in the deal cost has been one of the big sticking points I keep seeing mentioned). Vertex who produce it are already multiple iterations in to that research and currently pressing ahead with a new triple combination drug (Orkambi is only 2) which has far outperformed it in Stage 3 trials. I was only talking to my consultant about it at length yesterday afternoon. Vertex are seeking a US licence and a European licence for the new drug next year. Then it would be for funding bodies such as NICE to agree a deal in a way they’ve been unable to for Orkambi. I believe the reason this new drug (which I don’t think even has a name yet) may be funded where Orkambi wasn’t, is because the objective improvement in things like lung function brings it much closer to the level of clinical improvement the NHS are prepared to pay per what they call “quali-years”, where Orkambi wasn’t and came with far more negative side effects.

 

I’m sure this is going on across the board with many meds, I just obviously know a bit more about this one because, realistically, had I been given access to it 3-4 years ago, it would still have been in good time to make a significant difference for me and thousands like me. Ironically, if we now deteriorate to a level where it’s highly likely it will be of no use as too late, we’ll be given access to it on compassionate grounds! Sometimes you just have to come to the conclusion there is indeed a god and he’s quite reasonably come to the decision that you’re a complete cunt, so is playing with your entrails like a cat does a dead mouse.

 

Just read that back and can confirm I’m really, really boring. Apologies.

Not the most appropriate thread but I couldn’t give a ring.

 

https://www.england.nhs.uk/2019/10/nhs-england-concludes-wide-ranging-deal-for-cystic-fibrosis-drugs/

 

Fuck me. Incredible scenes.

[Rico1304]

1 hour ago, Lizzie Birdsworths Wrinkled Chopper said:

Not the most appropriate thread but I couldn’t give a ring.

 

https://www.england.nhs.uk/2019/10/nhs-england-concludes-wide-ranging-deal-for-cystic-fibrosis-drugs/

 

Fuck me. Incredible scenes.

Oh god, are you sticking around then? 

[Rico1304]

Is this young woman lying, a Mossad plant or just wrong? 

 

[Dr Nowt]

32 minutes ago, Rico1304 said:

Oh god, are you sticking around then? 

The chances just rose sharply.

 

Apologies, etc.

[aRdja]

9 minutes ago, Rico1304 said:

Is this young woman lying, a Mossad plant or just wrong? 

 

Poor girl. Let’s hope she gets the help she needs. Not sure hanging around Tracy Ann Obermann is good for her though given what we’ve read about what she and her mates allegedly did to that 15 year old girl with mental health issues.

[aRdja]

11 minutes ago, Lizzie Birdsworths Wrinkled Chopper said:

The chances just rose sharply.

 

Apologies, etc.

Fantastic news mate.

[Dr Nowt]

4 minutes ago, viRdjil said:

Fantastic news mate.

Cheers Anies. 
 

Overwhelming stuff.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

36 minutes ago, Rico1304 said:

Is this young woman lying, a Mossad plant or just wrong? 

 

1. Probably not. 

2. Certainly not.

3. On her conclusion that "Corbyn must go" (despite the prevalence of a/s in Labour having reduced under Corbyn, the first leader to even try to tackle the issue) yes, she's wrong. 

[ZonkoVille77]

Chess Rico. I'll add her to my blocked list on Twitter. 

[moof]

Has Labour friends of israel in her bio, which says a lot. 

[Nelly-Szoboszlai]

I feel sorry for the girl. Nobody should be in a position where they have those feelings. However, her having those feelings doesn't in any way turn some of the unsubstantiated allegations and claims she makes into proven statements of fact. I still require proof. As I would for all allegations.