Should Corbyn remain as Labour leader?

[Section_31]

I wish people would stop quoting Rico, it's like Mark Fowler sneezed on my phone screen.

[Nelly-Szoboszlai]

1 minute ago, Rico1304 said:

Ha ha ha ha you are hilarious. You really don’t get it do you? 

Well, you've obviously got your filthy scum ideals from somebody. 

 

I hope you don't pass them on to your poor kids. 

[Rico1304]

Just now, Section_31 said:

I wish people would stop quoting Rico, it's like Mark Fowler sneezed on my phone screen.

Mwah. ‘Cause you’ll look. 

[Numero Veinticinco]

1 minute ago, Strontium Dog said:

You must be a bad racist Rico, because you suggested that religious terrorism had quite a lot to do with religion. Bang to rights.

Oh aye, that’s why. Not because he apologised for racism or has prejudice towards 25% of the world. 

 

Funny that you have such different standards based on whether somebody is Jewish or not. 

[Rico1304]

Just now, Nelly-Torres said:

Well, you've obviously got your filthy scum ideals from somebody. 

 

I hope you don't pass them on to your poor kids. 

Ha ha ha, honestly, you’re so fucking bad at this.  

[Rico1304]

3 minutes ago, Strontium Dog said:

You must be a bad racist Rico, because you suggested that religious terrorism had quite a lot to do with religion. Bang to rights.

Ha 

[Boss]

40 minutes ago, Brownie said:

Can someone please educate me on Hatton and Galloway? I've heard bits but it's before my time, cheers.

 

Let's say i'm a communist and you're a communist, and me and you decide to form our own movement called 'militant tendency' right? And our goal is to pretend to be pro-Labour and infiltrate the party from within. We actually love Lenin, Trotsky and Russian communism but we pretend to be Labour. So we work our way up within the Labour Party and decide to become councillors for Liverpool City Council. And then we get more people into our little group and tell them to do the same. So before long, me, you and lots of others are now sitting on Liverpool City Council. We have the ability to vote in any policy we want.

 

So me, you and these other lads set up a HQ in Kirkdale where we all meet up a couple of days before the Council votes on a policy and we all decide which way we're going to vote together, so our communist group wins every vote by default. We then control Liverpool City Council and it becomes militant tendency. That is Derek Hatton and the Liverpool City Council in the 80's.

[Nelly-Szoboszlai]

1 minute ago, Rico1304 said:

Ha ha ha, honestly, you’re so fucking bad at this.  

I'm not as well practiced in the arts of trolling as you. 

 

Anyway, this is boring. I'm off to have a look at my sizeable bank balance. 

 

In a bit, Enoch. 

[Scooby Dudek]

39 minutes ago, Brownie said:

Can someone please educate me on Hatton and Galloway? I've heard bits but it's before my time, cheers.

Quite a balanced piece from the BBC;

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47294393

[AngryOfTuebrook]

45 minutes ago, A Red said:

Is Degsy actually now a fully signed up member, did he get the papers, get the papers?

Gratuitous Goodfellas reference. 

 

I  approve.

[Rico1304]

2 minutes ago, Nelly-Torres said:

I'm not as well practiced in the arts of trolling as you. 

 

Anyway, this is boring. I'm off to have a look at my sizeable bank balance. 

 

In a bit, Enoch. 

See? You’re rubbish!  I can only assume you’ve never knocked about in pubs, or with blokes.  Ive just got you to brag about your bank balance. It’s rope a dope. 

[AngryOfTuebrook]

25 minutes ago, Strontium Dog said:

There was an excellent piece in the Guardian about Hatton the other day.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/feb/19/the-return-of-king-rat-derek-hatton-marks-a-new-low-for-labour

First Tom Watson opposes him... now the Guardian does.

 

I need a lie down. 

[AngryOfTuebrook]

2 hours ago, Strontium Dog said:

 

You're a moron. I'm here in good faith to discuss British politics in a civil manner. If anyone should fuck off, it's you.

Do these good faith discussions involve giving straight answers to questions?

[Brownie]

7 minutes ago, Scooby Dudek said:

Quite a balanced piece from the BBC;

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47294393

Thanks mate. He sounds like a proper bellend, why was he let back in?!

[Brownie]

Just now, AngryofTuebrook said:

Do these good faith discussions involve giving straight answers to questions?

Mate you’re wasting your time, don’t feed the troll.

[Strontium]

4 minutes ago, AngryofTuebrook said:

Do these good faith discussions involve giving straight answers to questions?

 

I wouldn't have it any other way. Did I miss something?

[Babb'sBurstNad]

I regard Galloway as pure box office, and something of a necessary evil, as an agent provocateur to an all too often homogeneous political class. However, he's also a massive bellend, a rape apologist and - worst of all - wears his fedora indoors.

 

His robotic dance with Pete Burns was great though, particularly in an I'll fitting leotard.

[Nelly-Szoboszlai]

Poor Derek. It looks like he's fell foul of the don't criticise Israel rule. 

 

We need to take a stand against this overly sensitive murderous rogue state. 

[Nelly-Szoboszlai]

Just now, Babb'sBurstNad said:

I regard Galloway as pure box office, and something of a necessary evil, as an agent provocateur to an all too often homogeneous political class. However, he's also a massive bellend, a rape apologist and - worst of all - wears his fedora indoors.

 

His robotic dance with Pete Burns was great though, particularly in an I'll fitting leotard.

I like his hats. 

[Rico1304]

3 minutes ago, AngryofTuebrook said:

Do these good faith discussions involve giving straight answers to questions?

 

7 minutes ago, AngryofTuebrook said:

First Tom Watson opposes him... now the Guardian does.

 

I need a lie down. 

Which bits in the G article are not true? 

 

Obviously i look forward to a straight answer. 

[Boss]

I have it on good authority that Hatton is sound, but he is a communist. Let's be fucking real here. 

[Rico1304]

Barry will be on a list now

 

 

[Strontium]

Not much of a communist, given his multi-million pound property emp... actually scratch that, lots of them end up very rich, don't they.

[Denny Crane]

46 minutes ago, Brownie said:

Cheers lads. Is there anything in the rules to stop them from being members? Have Labour relaxed the rules to let them back in or something?

 

Galloway ran as an independent in 2017 in Manchester Gorton so I doubt he would be eligible to join. In fact his Twitter feed suggests some ambiguous information.  Labour seem to suggest he is ineligible. My money is on him running as an independent either in Wavertree or against one of the gimp XI if circumstances allow. As several MPs have just left I would assume Labour would make it as difficult as possible for those who run against Labour to return quickly. 

 

 

 

 

[Sugar Ape]

Brownie, I’d recommend the book ‘Militant’ by Michael Crick to you. It’s an excellent book wrote at the time and details the entryist tactics used and their aims. It’s quite an eye opener, and not biased against them, merely factual. You’d be surprised how easy it is to take over a CLP with a tiny number of people.

 

It also gives a lot of history on communism in the Labour Party from the beginning to the time the book was wrote in the 80s and the different factions (trots, Stalinists etc...)

 

With regards to Galloway, apart from all his other faults, I’ve seen his rape comments getting dredged up quite a few times today so if he was ever admitted to Labour I think there would be massive negative coverage over that. 

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-19323783

 

George Galloway has been criticised by anti-rape campaigners after suggesting Julian Assange was accused of nothing more than "bad sexual etiquette".

Mr Assange is wanted in Sweden to face allegations - which he denies - of sexual assault made by two women.

The Respect MP said the women's claims were "totally unproven" and the Wikileaks founder had been "set up".

Rape charity Crisis said Mr Galloway's comments were "offensive" and "deeply concerning".

The UK has said Mr Assange must be extradited to Sweden despite being given political asylum by Ecuador.

Mr Assange remains in the Ecuadorean embassy in London, where he has taken refuge, but the UK has said he will not be given safe passage to the Latin American country.

'Bad manners'

Mr Assange insists that he had consensual sex with each of the women who have made allegations against him.

His legal team has said he wants assurances from the Swedish government that he will not be extradited to the US - where Wikileaks caused a storm last year by publishing thousands of leaked diplomatic cables and correspondence.

Mr Galloway, a frequent critic of the US and UK governments, said Mr Assange's "only crime was to expose, through Wikileaks, malfeasance by states including our own and the US on a truly gargantuan scale".

In a thirty minute podcast, the controversial anti-war MP said it was "an extraordinary coincidence that public enemy number one, Julian Assange, somehow gets inveigled with two women with incredibly complex political backgrounds who just, at the right time, come forward with allegations of sexual misconduct against him".

"Let me tell you, I think that Julian Assange's personal sexual behaviour is sordid, disgusting, and I condemn it," he said.

"But even taken at its worst, if the allegations made by these two women were true, 100 per cent true, and even if a camera in the room captured them, they don't constitute rape. 

"At least not rape as anyone with any sense can possibly recognise it. And somebody has to say this."

'Factually incorrect'

The Bradford West MP suggested one of the women had claimed she invited Mr Assange back to her flat, had consensual sex with him and then "woke up to him having sex with her again - something which can happen, you know".

On the issue of whether this would constitute rape or not, Mr Galloway suggested that "not everybody needs to be asked prior to each insertion". 

"Some people believe that when you go to bed with somebody, take off your clothes, and have sex with them and then fall asleep, you're already in the sex game with them.

"It might be really bad manners not to have tapped her on the shoulder and said, 'do you mind if I do it again?' 

"It might be really sordid and bad sexual etiquette, but whatever else it is, it is not rape or you bankrupt the term rape of all meaning."

Rape Crisis said the MP's understanding of what constituted rape appeared to be "factually incorrect" and that if the woman concerned was asleep when the sexual encounter began, consent could not "reasonably" have been given.

"Having had consensual sex with a woman once does not give a man licence to then have sex with her again at any time and in any way he pleases and assume consent is given," a spokeswoman said.

"By the same token, having had consensual sex with someone once does not mean a woman has forever forfeited her right to withdraw or refuse her consent to further sex with that person.

"Sex without consent is rape. Mr Galloway's description of such sexual violence as 'really bad manners' is offensive and deeply concerning." Mr Galloway was not available for comment.

Legal differences

There are differences in the law regarding rape in the UK and Sweden. 

In the UK, a rape has been committed if there is intentional penetration without consent and if the accused "does not reasonably believe" that consent has been given.

The maximum sentence is life imprisonment although Rape Crisis says the average sentence is four years. 

In Sweden, there are gradations in the legal definition of rape - each carrying different sentences.

The most serious kind, involving major violence, carries a sentence of ten years. 

The concept of "regular rape", still involving violence but not of the most extreme kind, and "unlawful coercion", where for instance emotional pressure may have been applied, carry sentences of six and four years respectively.