I miss Stevie...

[moof]

What a bad bellend

[Curly]

Goodness, you are seething, Iv'e actually rattled you to your core. I apologize and hope we can have positive relations on this forum down the road and I hope I can one day make sure that you have a positive impression of me as a human being. 

 

Again, apologies, belarus, my friend.

Haha. Worracunt

[3 Stacks]

Oh dear, i'm being attacked from all angles here. Stop it lads, please. i'll change my posting style and who I am as a person, just give it a rest I beg of you.

[moof]

Stop acting the fool, then

[Em City]

It's tempting to think Scholes was this supreme controller, but then you would have to wonder why he was an integral part of Manc sides that routinely got bummed in Europe by sides that passed the ball around them.

 

Stevie, on the other hand, was at the heart of a team that was a juggernaut in Europe.

[s(k)aturation]

Oh dear, i'm being attacked from all angles here. 

 

Gerrard was able to attack from all angles.

[aRdja]

I really like Scholes, he was a better playmaker than Gerrard, but that'd be about it. Gerrard was more versatile, scored more goals, had better defensive ability. He wasn't as good at controlling the tempo, but he played behind Alonso who was arguably better than Scholes at it anyway, he didn't really need to. England would've played at least one final if they had played Gerrard, Scholes and a competent defensive midfielder as their midfield.

[Dr Nowt]

Nothing says winning the internet like dribbling on about how much you've wound up the person you keep replying to.

[Bjornebye]

Embarrassing thread. 

[3 Stacks]

Nothing says winning the internet like dribbling on about how much you've wound up the person you keep replying to.

 

Yup, I am tremendously proud of my body of work in this thread.

[VladimirIlyich]

Gerrard is the most complete footballer this country has seen for at least 50 years. He pisses on scholes from a great height.

I think this is an exaggeration as there were a good few great players that existed before 1992. We had a few in our ranks too. If you are talking about the PL era then yes Gerrard is right up there but in 50 years there have been some great players as well as Gerrard. Souness was at least an equal during his time with us.

[VERBAL DIARRHEA]

Gerrard was better. End.

[Curly]

I think this is an exaggeration as there were a good few great players that existed before 1992. We had a few in our ranks too. If you are talking about the PL era then yes Gerrard is right up there but in 50 years there have been some great players as well as Gerrard. Souness was at least an equal during his time with us.

According to Wikipedia, Souness scored 92 in 673, compared to Gerrard's 188 in 722, but to be fair I never saw Souness play. I'm clouded against him since his s*n interview, decimating our team and generally talking absolute bollocks on sky. The time he said that Suarez had dragged the club's name through the mud after one of the biting incidents was unbelievable. This from a guy who broke someone's jaw in the middle of a European game for fuck all.

 

My dad says he was made to look a bit better than he was through being a bully - there was a fear factor playing against him. This right?

[VERBAL DIARRHEA]

Sorry mate but your Dad is wrong. Souness was world class and could boss a game on his own. Fantastic range of passing, shot and hard as nails. The Romanian had a few pops at Souness and got one for his troubles. As did a few more over the years.

[Curly]

Fair enough mate. I suppose my view of him will always be tarnished as my football following only started round 1992 properly.

[VERBAL DIARRHEA]

Fair enough mate. I suppose my view of him will always be tarnished as my football following only started round 1992 properly.

No worries mate. He was almost the complete midfielder. Crap at heading though. Probably protecting the perm

[Sugar Ape]

Moof said the most complete footballer this country has seen in the last 50 years, not the most complete midfielder and I think he's right.

 

It's up for debate if Souness was a better midfielder than him or not, but Gerrard, at his peak, was outstanding in multiple positions. Out wide, off Torres, midfield, he could probably have played in defence to a high standard if he was put there. He had it all to play in any outfield position.

 

Gerrard is second only to Gullit as the most complete player of the last 30 years for me. Matthaus possibly pips him as well, certainly as a midfielder, but I don't think he was as versatile as Gullit and Gerrard on the whole.

[Ipplfc]

Because he loved a tackle...(2.35)

 

why show a fuck'n loss to them cunts

[What_What]

I really like Scholes, he was a better playmaker than Gerrard, but that'd be about it. Gerrard was more versatile, scored more goals, had better defensive ability. He wasn't as good at controlling the tempo, but he played behind Alonso who was arguably better than Scholes at it anyway, he didn't really need to. England would've played at least one final if they had played Gerrard, Scholes and a competent defensive midfielder as their midfield.

 

Off topic but can't help it seeing as you bring it up.

 

England would have played a couple of finals if they had our record in penalty shoot outs regardless of formations, the whole narrative/perception of the England football team would be oh so different if they had won penalty shoot outs.

 

Imagine if Liverpool had Englands record in penalty shoot outs, how different history would have been, Rafa wouldn't have won anything for a start.

 

That penalty shoot outs are hugely important is a massive understatement, it's mental when you think how much influence they've had and how they shape football history.

[razor]

Oh dear, i'm being attacked from all angles here. Stop it lads, please. i'll change my posting style and who I am as a person, just give it a rest I beg of you.

 

Poor.

[kemskem]

I remember hardly anyone batted an eyelid when Scholes was put out on the left for England to accommodate Lampard, despite not being versatile enough for the role. This then led to his non-earthquake of an international retirement in the world of football. But that was before one or two comments from some high profile people in Spain.

[VladimirIlyich]

According to Wikipedia, Souness scored 92 in 673, compared to Gerrard's 188 in 722, but to be fair I never saw Souness play. I'm clouded against him since his s*n interview, decimating our team and generally talking absolute bollocks on sky. The time he said that Suarez had dragged the club's name through the mud after one of the biting incidents was unbelievable. This from a guy who broke someone's jaw in the middle of a European game for fuck all.

 

My dad says he was made to look a bit better than he was through being a bully - there was a fear factor playing against him. This right?

Souness the player and Souness the manager are not comparable. Dont make the mistake that a lot of younger people who never saw Souness play do.

[Tony Moanero]

I can't understand people saying they've never seen Souness play, when there is so much footage of him doing so on video. I grew up watching videos of L.F.C in the 60's and 70's. Cup Finals, league games, clips, goal compilations - I couldn't get enough of them!

[Jairzinho]

I can't understand people saying they've never seen Souness play when there is so much footage of him doing so on video. I grew up watching videos of L.F.C in the 60's and 70's. Cup Finals, league games, clips, goal compilations - I couldn't get enough of them!

 

People are actually...

[Special K]

Souness was a magnificent player. One of the top 5 players in our history in my opinion