Should the UK remain a member of the EU

[jimmycase]

Are you saying that the UK should drop all opt out clauses and jump fully in?

 

You tell me, you seem to be the one supporting the stay line.

[cloggypop]

You tell me, you seem to be the one supporting the stay line.

Well it seems the only logical conclusion to your argument.

 

You've nearly convinced me.

[jimmycase]

Well it seems the only logical conclusion to your argument.

 

You've nearly convinced me.

 

So, although you seem prepared to stay in the EU, you're not prepared to say whether the UK should participate more fully instead of resorting to opt outs and the veto.

 

OK, just the halfway house Id expect from the stay camp.

 

My position is vote leave. In those circumstances, the question of EU veto's and opt outs is immaterial.

[cloggypop]

So, although you seem prepared to stay in the EU, you're not prepared to say whether the UK should participate more fully instead of resorting to opt outs and the veto.

 

OK, just the halfway house Id expect from the stay camp.

 

My position is vote leave. In those circumstances, the question of EU veto's and opt outs is immaterial.

 

I've been fully integrated into Europe for the last 16 years. It's boss.

[jimmycase]

I've been fully integrated into Europe for the last 16 years. It's boss.

 

Except if you're a UK citizen and support the UK's membership, you havent been integrated fully. The UK has opted out of the single currency, it has opted out of monetary and fiscal union. It has opted out of shenken.

 

In fact, cameron wants to opt out of further integration!

 

Haha, so much for your claim of being fully integrated for 16 years.

[magicrat]

Fair one, I miss read that be interested to hear how NATO would weaken with us leaving the EU though?

Simple common sense dictates that NATO will be less effective if one of its key players leaves the Union. We will be totally engaged in squabbling over the terms of trade and free movement agreements for the foreseeable future that it's just bound to impact on our ability to work effectively with them in areas of defense . As I've said I pay no attention whatsoever to what Cameron , Johnson or any of them are saying I just instinctively feel it would be a massive mistake to split from Europe at a time when the World is becoming an ever more dangerous place, We will also have the Scots succeeding with devolution if we leave the EU so in a few years we will have gone from being part of the largest trading block on the planet to effectively England and Wales with Wales being a reluctant part of that entity, Its just mental  

[cloggypop]

I might take up Dutch citizenship even when the UK stays in.

[cloggypop]

Except if you're a UK citizen and support the UK's membership, you havent been integrated fully. The UK has opted out of the single currency, it has opted out of monetary and fiscal union. It has opted out of shenken.

 

In fact, cameron wants to opt out of further integration!

 

Haha, so much for your claim of being fully integrated for 16 years.

I don't live in the UK.

[jimmycase]

I might take up Dutch citizenship even when the UK stays in.

 

Yeah well its the UK's membership of the EU that's the debate no individual's citizenship in different member states. And if you took up other citizenship, youd abidcate your right to decide for the UK.

[jimmycase]

I don't live in the UK.

 

You said so last night. Im not the one banging on about 'foreigner's' though. You seem to confuse your citizenship in another member state with that of the UK's membership of the EU.

[cloggypop]

 

 

You said so last night.

I didn't. You seem a bit confused.

 

Have a nice cup of tea or something. Egg, chips and peas for tea later. Lovely.

[cloggypop]

 

 

You seem to confuse your citizenship in another member state with that of the UK's membership of the EU.

I haven't taken Dutch citizenship yet. I don't have to as the UK is a member of the EU.

 

[jimmycase]

 

I didn't. You seem a bit confused.

 

Have a nice cup of tea or something. Egg, chips and peas for tea later. Lovely.

 

OK, fair enough. Seems a bit wank someone who's claiming they may take out dutch citizenship going on about 'foreigner's' and wont say what the UK should do about veto's, opt outs, and closer integration by the UK in the EU.

 

But there you go.

[jimmycase]

 

I haven't taken Dutch citizenship yet. I don't have to as the UK is a member of the EU.

 

Only at the moment.

[cloggypop]

If I take out Dutch citizenship I can call all the UKIPs foreigners and hate them for being not like me. It could be the way forward.

[jimmycase]

If I take out Dutch citizenship I can call all the UKIPs foreigners and hate them for being not like me. It could be the way forward.

 

And you still wont say whether the UK should ditch the veto and opt outs, join the single currency, give up fiscal and monetary independence, ditch or stick with cameron's 4 major reforms (ha) for the UK's continued membership.

 

Makes one wonder what you're on about really.

[cloggypop]

And you still wont say whether the UK should ditch the veto and opt outs, join the single currency, give up fiscal and monetary independence, ditch or stick with cameron's 4 major reforms (ha) for the UK's continued membership.

 

Makes one wonder what you're on about really.

 

The referendum isn't about that. 

 

i couldn't really give a fuck either way personally as long as the UK stays in. I trust the EU far more than a Tory government.

 

I would love to hear you explain how the UK would become part of Schengen (or skenken as you seem to prefer). 

[jimmycase]

The referendum isn't about that. 

 

i couldn't really give a fuck either way personally as long as the UK stays in. I trust the EU far more than a Tory government.

 

I would love to hear you explain how the UK would become part of Schengen (or skenken as you seem to prefer). 

 

The referendum is about staying in based on cameron's 4 major reforms. But, the point still stand, the UK will be on the road to second class EU membership.

 

Vote for that if you want. Vote for that because you may take out dutch citizenship (or any other member state's citizenship) if it floats your boat. That doesnt address the UK's membership.

 

Why would I want to explain how the UK would become part of shenken when Im voting leave? You really do seem off your trolley. been eating too many daffs again?

 

Some of us do give a fuck about  whether we do stay or leave. Thankfully.

[cloggypop]

Jimmy has all the answers.

 

It's just a shame that the questions confuse him.

[jimmycase]

Jimmy has all the answers. It's just a shame that the questions confuse him.

 

Its a shame you continue to be evasive or ask non relevant questions. But you dont give a fuck do you as long as your ensconced in cloggyland. Hey ho.

[cloggypop]

Evasive on what?

 

I answered your daft questions.

 

Now, how is the island that is the UK going to become part of the Schengen Area?

[jimmycase]

Evasive on what?

 

I answered your daft questions.

 

Now, how is the island that is the UK going to become part of the Schengen Area?

 

As an example, daft questions like explain how the UK would join shenken when Im voting leave.

 

As an example, evasive, wont answer if the UK should join the Euro amongst others.

 

God help us if more people like you are voting. Oh, but you've been an ex pat for more than 15 years so you shouldnt be getting a vote.

[cloggypop]

 

 

As an example, daft questions like explain how the UK would join shenken when Im voting leave.

 

As an example, evasive, wont answer if the UK should join the Euro amongst others.

 

God help us if more people like you are voting. Oh, but you've been an ex pat for more than 15 years so you shouldnt be getting a vote.

I answered all your questions. I don't give a fuck if the UK joins the Euro or not so long as it stays in the EU.

 

Am I fuck an expat. That's the retired in Spain UKIP lot. I'm on an extended working holiday. In Europe.

[jimmycase]

 

I answered all your questions. I don't give a fuck if the UK joins the Euro or not so long as it stays in the EU.

 

Am I fuck an expat. That's the retired in Spain UKIP lot. I'm on an extended working holiday. In Europe.

 

What a load of BS.

 

Frankly, I dont think much weight should be put on someone's opinion when they dont give a fuck just so long as the UK stays in the EU. Such shortsightedness isnt a good thing.

 

Of course you're an expat. Unless you've been telling porkies, you've been in cloggyland for 16 years. that's residency not a working holiday. And if you'bve been an ex pat for 15 years or more, you wont be getting a vote.

 

Its really weird you claim ex pats in Spain are a 'UKIP lot' yet you being in Holland for 16 years isnt. Ah, but you dont give a fuck do you?

 

Well, you might give a fuck after June 23 matey! Enjoy.

[cloggypop]

Oh I haven't just worked in the Netherlands. This free movement is great for getting around Europe.

 

I prefer the term immigrant to expat myself.