Should the UK remain a member of the EU

[Gnasher]

17 minutes ago, Bruce Spanner said:

 

Come on tubby, you know the answer.

 

They disprove your argument, as always, as you've not bothered to actually read it and are just clinging on to any scrap of infomation that might, just might, prove the unmitigated disater not so and prove your delusion.

 "Tubby" 

 

Oh do fuck off.

[Bruce Spanner]

1 minute ago, Gnasher said:

 "Tubby" 

 

Oh do fuck off.

 

No, i'm having fun.

 

Tell me more of the glories of Brexitania, oh portly sage.

[Gnasher]

21 minutes ago, Bjornebye said:

Gnasher why do you love Brexit so much? 

I don't, I do however quite enjoy seeing free movement being exposed as the capitalist shitshow it really is. 

 

Same as Nye Bevan really.

[Gnasher]

1 hour ago, Bruce Spanner said:

He'll show you!

 

He's frantically trawling trade magazines for any headline, irrespective of the full context of the article or wider argument, which will prove you a dummy, dummy.

 

Any minute now...

No I don't need to trawl through anything, just talk to any normal person on the street. 

 

The carpenter has had a pay rise, unless he's telling fibs that's the truth, same as many others throughout the country, the jobs/vacancies market is healthy and unemployment is down. 

 

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2021/aug/17/uk-unemployment-falls-record-rise-job-vacancies-covid-lockdown-workers

 

Labour Party members take piss out of ordinary workers seeing benefits in the workplace then scratch head why come election day not enough of these people they've ridiculed don't come out and vote for them. 

 

Who's the real enemy? Easy to mock, it's not the scaffolders from Scunthorpe, or the care workers from Carlisle that have continually voted in a tory government is it? Wales has never voted in a tory government, the last tory candidate in the South Wales valleys got a whopping 6%, the cunt just kept his deposit, they obviously chose the wrong candidate. 

 

The reaction to the good news of falling unemployment, increased wages and positive job vacancies because of Covid/Brexit has been negative. 

 

How the fuck if we can't see the wood through the trees and start being on the side of people like the carpenter in the bbc article are we as a labour/socialist movement ever going to win? 

[Captain Turdseye]

Went to Sainsbury’s. No Doritos. They only had the lightly salted dipping ones. I don’t want to live in this country anymore. 
 

They also had an entire cage of milk with a use by date of the 14th of August. Milk. The woman on the till said the shop is full compared to last week and that she was going to try her luck at Tesco for a bit of shopping on her way home. 
 

[Rico1304]

Can’t think why…

 

Nando's said the shortages were not affecting any of their outlets in Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland.

[Gnasher]

Can't wait to go back to the good ol days of no wage rises and mass unemployment..

 

https://moneyweek.com/economy/inflation/603713/uk-wages-soaring-is-inflation-next

[Rico1304]

9 minutes ago, Rico1304 said:

Can’t think why…

 

Nando's said the shortages were not affecting any of their outlets in Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland.

I wonder if the people in the closed restaurants are being paid? Hope so. 

[Captain Turdseye]

Off milk. Look at what we’ve become. 

[Gnasher]

Yet another let's laugh and take the piss out of the the working class article..

 

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-08-17/u-k-labor-market-tightens-pushing-up-wages-as-economy-reopens

[AngryOfTuebrook]

34 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

Can't wait to go back to the good ol days of no wage rises and mass unemployment..

 

https://moneyweek.com/economy/inflation/603713/uk-wages-soaring-is-inflation-next

Do you honestly believe that Brexit - as campaigned for and "got done" by the right wing of the Tory Party - is heralding a glorious era of well-paid, secure jobs for everyone?

[Gnasher]

3 minutes ago, AngryOfTuebrook said:

Do you honestly believe that Brexit - as campaigned for and "got done" by the right wing of the Tory Party - is heralding a glorious era of well-paid, secure jobs for everyone?

A. The opposition to the EU was supported by the greatest socialist/political figures this country has ever produced, Attlee, Bevan, Foot, Benn. Having less ties to the EU has never just been a right wing tory dream, as you well know. The Labour Party conference voted 89% to leave the EU in 1989.

 

B. Most workers are indeed safer in their jobs today because of Covid/Brexit causing labour shortages than they have been for a long time. 

 

We are now entering a very strange twilight zone where some on the left are mocking the fall in the uk employment rate and increased vacancies in the UK. 

[AngryOfTuebrook]

2 hours ago, Gnasher said:

I don't, I do however quite enjoy seeing free movement being exposed as the capitalist shitshow it really is. 

 

Same as Nye Bevan really.

Nye Bevan wanted to restrict workers' rights and would have put up with an extremist Tory Government to stop the forrins taking our jobs?

 

Source?

[AngryOfTuebrook]

15 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

A. The opposition to the EU was supported by the greatest socialist/political figures this country has ever produced, Attlee, Bevan, Foot, Benn. Having less ties to the EU has never just been a right wing tory dream, as you well know. The Labour Party conference voted 89% to leave the EU in 1989.

 

B. Most workers are indeed safer in their jobs today because of Covid/Brexit causing labour shortages than they have been for a long time. 

 

We are now entering a very strange twilight zone where some on the left are mocking the fall in the uk employment rate and increased vacancies in the UK. 

A.  The only version of Brexit that was ever on the table was a racist, anti-worker, hypercapitalist cuntfest like the one we have now. There's no reason to believe that dead Lefties would support that any more than living Lefties (like Corbyn, McDonnell, etc.) do.

 

B.  In the real world, most workers are anything but safer in their jobs, in any sense: fire & rehire is rife and the Tories have already started loosening safety regulations in a bid to squeeze more out of the workforce. Even people like your carpenter admit that the current wage increases won't last.

 

And, yeah, literally nobody is mocking the current Covid-related fall in unemployment.

 

[AngryOfTuebrook]

1 hour ago, Gnasher said:

Yet another let's laugh and take the piss out of the the working class article..

 

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-08-17/u-k-labor-market-tightens-pushing-up-wages-as-economy-reopens

What are you on about?

[Strontium]

Hardly any bottled water on the shelves too. I might have to start drinking... tap.

 

It's been nice knowing you all.

[Bjornebye]

On 19/10/2019 at 20:28, Bjornebye said:

The Taliban are a better regime than the Tories 

Aah yes a quite blatant tongue in cheek comment. 

[Gnasher]

Phew

 

 

https://www.ft.com/content/70c92acc-9fd5-4874-ade8-7b275c6f8ba8

[Bruce Spanner]

'CPI inflation slowed from 2.5% in June to 2.0% in July. The ONS attributed almost half of the slowdown to strong base effects caused by a spike in the price of services last year when the economy reopened after the first lockdown. Alongside this, some of the recent price rises in the volatile clothing and recreation and culture categories unwound, suggesting that the pandemic had temporarily altered seasonal pricing patterns. But there was some offset from another significant rise in petrol prices.

 

July’s data is likely to represent brief respite from the upward movement in inflation rates. August will see base effects push annual inflation up again, with last August having seen both the VAT cut for the hospitality sector and the Eat Out to Help Out scheme. Indeed, it could be possible that the annual CPI rate will rise by as much as one percentage point between July and August.

 

In addition, inflation is likely to rise further over the remainder of the year due to the partial reversal of the VAT cut, October’s 12% rise in the energy price cap, and the prospect of further upward pressures on global goods prices from component shortages and supply chain challenges. The EY ITEM Club expects the CPI rate to peak at around 3.5% at year-end, but we continue to think the rise will prove transitory and expect inflation to cool as we move through 2022.'

[skend04]

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/aug/17/exports-from-ireland-to-great-britain-soar-in-post-brexit-trade-imbalance

 

Perhaps the slogan should have been we need their shit more than they need ours 

[Gnasher]

On 20/07/2018 at 08:32, AngryOfTuebrook said:

Headline:

"Brexit Bonanza for British Builders"

Panning out that way, in building and in general, wages up, unemployment down, vacancies up, inflation steady, growth steady, 

 

https://www.business-live.co.uk/commercial-property/persimmon-profits-jump-64-housing-21337732

 

Growth predicted to come in at approximately 7% this year, partly due to our quick vaccination process, same growth as the States. Forecast upgrade of 1.7 per cent, largest in the G7..

 

https://www.reuters.com/world/uk/imf-lifts-forecast-uk-growth-2021-after-vaccine-roll-out-2021-07-27/

[skend04]

13 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

Panning out that way, in building and in general, wages up, unemployment down, vacancies up, inflation steady, growth steady, 

 

https://www.business-live.co.uk/commercial-property/persimmon-profits-jump-64-housing-21337732

 

Growth predicted to come in at approximately 7% this year, partly due to our quick vaccination process, same growth as the States. Forecast upgrade of 1.7 per cent, largest in the G7..

 

https://www.reuters.com/world/uk/imf-lifts-forecast-uk-growth-2021-after-vaccine-roll-out-2021-07-27/

Covid related news. Wrong thread. Can't believe the thread's own Michael Foot is trumpeting profits from tax breaks. Shocker!

[Gnasher]

9 minutes ago, skend04 said:

Covid related news. Wrong thread. Can't believe the thread's own Michael Foot is trumpeting profits from tax breaks. Shocker!

Ok, point taken on Perrsimion, try another one, 

 

https://www.cityam.com/balfour-beatty-results/

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[skend04]

7 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

Ok, point taken on Perrsimion, try another one, 

 

https://www.cityam.com/balfour-beatty-results/

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

What's that got to do with Brexit either?

[Gnasher]

8 minutes ago, skend04 said:

What's that got to do with Brexit either?

Well, you don't need a particularly long memory to recall the prophets of doom predicting a building industry collapse after Brexit, hasn't happened, not going to happen. All that's happened in real terms is wages have risen, working conditions have improved and company profits have soared.