Islamic Positive Thread

[Rico1304]

I think Ive posted this before, Dawkins retweeted it this morning.

 

http://m.liveleak.com/view?i=253_1412566275

[Stu Monty]

Was going to post that myself Rico.

 

Can't go judging a religion based on the views of a large majority of its followers. Not on mate.

[Barzini]

Nightcat, just realised that you're probably talking about Isis/Islamic state, not an Islamic state...apologies if so.

[Spy Bee]

Was going to post that myself Rico.

 

Can't go judging a religion based on the views of a large majority of its followers. Not on mate.

But likewise, there is no value in condemning a religion or it's followers, that's hardly progressive or constructive.

[Jairzinho]

Does that bloke speaking, or the couple of hundred in the crowd, represent a quarter of the planet?

[Barzini]

Does that bloke speaking, or the couple of hundred in the crowd, represent a quarter of the planet?

Islam Net is the largest[citation needed] Muslim organisation in Norway, founded by engineer student Fahad Qureshi in 2008. It has local chapters in Oslo, Akershus, Tromsø and Bodø, and is initiating a fifth in Trondheim. By 2011, the organisation had more than 1,400 paying members, centred on students.[1]

Not quite.

[Stu Monty]

Does that bloke speaking, or the couple of hundred in the crowd, represent a quarter of the planet?

No.

 

The views of that quarter of the planet do though.

[Stu Monty]

But likewise, there is no value in condemning a religion or it's followers, that's hardly progressive or constructive.

Condemning repression and repressive views is progressive.

[Spy Bee]

Condemning repression and repressive views is progressive.

If you want to change those views I don't think condemnation is your tool, I think education is.

[Jairzinho]

Not quite.

 

I knew it would be close.

[Stu Monty]

I knew it would be close.

I'm on my phone so can't dig them out but you are aware of the huge support for repressive, barbaric policies in some of the most populous Islamic countries, aren't you?

[Jairzinho]

I'm on my phone so can't dig them out but you are aware of the huge support for repressive, barbaric policies in some of the most populous Islamic countries, aren't you?

 

I find it incredibly difficult to analyse a religion, per se, within the framework of politics. 

 

For e.g, how many Jews are there in the world? £15m? Maybe not even that many. Well, about 2/5's of them live in Israel, and a poll concluded that 96% of them support their government's actions in Palestine. So therefore...

 

The muddle between economics, politics, and religion, the varying reasons for actions, and the often spurious reasons given for actions, just mean that I simply can't make judgements like "Islam is bad". 

 

I'm broadly against most organised religion, but not to the point where I am offering up hate as a tool to defeat hate. I agree with Spybee, condemnation doesn't help. If anything, the opposite.

[Section_31]

I find it incredibly difficult to analyse a religion, per se, within the framework of politics. 

 

For e.g, how many Jews are there in the world? £15m? Maybe not even that many. Well, about 2/5's of them live in Israel, and a poll concluded that 96% of them support their government's actions in Palestine. So therefore...

 

The muddle between economics, politics, and religion, the varying reasons for actions, and the often spurious reasons given for actions, just mean that I simply can't make judgements like "Islam is bad". 

 

I'm broadly against most organised religion, but not to the point where I am offering up hate as a tool to defeat hate. I agree with Spybee, condemnation doesn't help. If anything, the opposite.

 

 

What's with the pound sign? Racist.

[Jairzinho]

What's with the pound sign? Racist.

 

Haha, fuck knows. 

 

I am not saying Jews are worth one pound each. I'm not.

[Stu Monty]

I find it incredibly difficult to analyse a religion, per se, within the framework of politics.

 

For e.g, how many Jews are there in the world? £15m? Maybe not even that many. Well, about 2/5's of them live in Israel, and a poll concluded that 96% of them support their government's actions in Palestine. So therefore...

 

The muddle between economics, politics, and religion, the varying reasons for actions, and the often spurious reasons given for actions, just mean that I simply can't make judgements like "Islam is bad".

 

I'm broadly against most organised religion, but not to the point where I am offering up hate as a tool to defeat hate. I agree with Spybee, condemnation doesn't help. If anything, the opposite.

It's not about offering up hate. It's offering up reality as a point of reference in the convseration. A majority are not being criticised for the views of a minority of extremists. They are being criticised for their own views.

[Jairzinho]

It's not about offering up hate. It's offering up reality as a point of reference in the convseration. A majority are not being criticised for the views of a minority of extremists. They are being criticised for their own views.

 

Ok, well I completely disagree with you.

[Barzini]

Stu, how can you possibly claim that a majority of Muslims hold the same views and beliefs? Is it not a massive assumption on your part?

[Barzini]

This thread isn't very positive, is it?

 

For my part I've found Muslims to be extremely nice people when you get to know them. I've lived in a Muslim country for 6 years and honestly haven't had a bad experience with any one of them.

 

Oh, and yes, their food is excellent too.

[Bjornebye]

Its wrong to hold any religion up and say they all share the same extreme views but certain religions seem more open to being brainwashed and have more of an 'us against the rest" mentality

[Barzini]

And I love Islamic geometric art

 

 

 

[Stu Monty]

Ok, well I completely disagree with you.

So are you unaware of the support for these views in Pakistan, Iraq, Afghanistan etc?

 

I'm not sure how you can disagree with facts.

[Mook]

They go ages without eating sometimes so if there's cakes in the office you can just tan their share.

[Stu Monty]

Stu, how can you possibly claim that a majority of Muslims hold the same views and beliefs? Is it not a massive assumption on your part?

Nope. Survey information from muslins themselves in some of the most populous Muslim countries.

 

On my phone so can't source. Feel free to goolgle them.

[Spy Bee]

Nope. Survey information from muslins themselves in some of the most populous Muslim countries.

 

On my phone so can't source. Feel free to goolgle them.

What are we Googling? I can't find it http://lmgtfy.com/?q=how+many+muslims+are+choppy+heady+offy+supporters

[Stu Monty]

What are we Googling? I can't find it http://lmgtfy.com/?q=how+many+muslims+are+choppy+heady+offy+supporters

Haha!

 

I think the figures I saw last were from the Pew Foundation. Start there.