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36 minutes ago, Vincent Vega said:

I had 5 Live on a few weeks back and they devoted a bit of time to Everton and how they thought they were underachieving. This was before Ancelotti had quit, but Rory Smith was saying how they didn’t have an identity and that they need to look clubs like Dortmund and RB Leipzig. He was basically saying that they should be looking to develop young talent with a promise to sell them on to bigger clubs, but that their fan base holds them back as they see themselves as a destination club and wouldn’t approve of selling a player who’d done well.

When they end up with a half decent player they always end up selling them anyway, I mean they don't get them often but even 'once a blue, always a blue' left them. 

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Moysie's team wasn't sold off though. Rooney went to Utd, Jelavic went to Real Madrid or Hull, I can't remember anyone leaving. That team grew old together. 

Every £1m-plus sale under Moyes:

Lescott - £24m

Rodwell - £12m

Johnson - £10.5m

Rooney - £10m

Arteta - £10m

Bilyaletdinov - £6m

Kroldrup - £5m

McFadden - £4.75m

Beattie - £4m

Davies - £3m

Gravesen - £2.45m

Bent - £2m

Yobo - £2m

Vaughan - £2m

Kilbane - £2m

Pienaar - £2m

Radzinski - £1.75m

Linderoth - £1.75m

Beckford - £1.5m

Yakubu - £1.5m

Naysmith - £1m

Neill - £1m

 

Now this might look like a lot of players, but it’s 22 over the course of 11 years. With the exception of a handful of players who went to bigger/richer clubs (Rooney, Arteta, Lescott, Rodwell), there’s a couple of striking things here. 
1/Wow. Either David Moyes was very loyal to his players and they wanted to stay at the club - this undermines the idea of the Bloos constantly selling their best players, as really it was one big sale every three years - or else Everton didn’t have many players who anyone else wanted to pay money for. 

2/Even of those big four sales, Rodwell was hardly a great loss considering how his career went from there. Throw in the ludicrous sum they got for Andy Johnson and Everton did pretty well with their biggest sales. But that’s not much use to them because...

3/It’s not about selling your best players, but how you bounce back. Leicester sold Maguire for a king’s ransom, but have hardly missed him. Everton sold Lescott for a comparable sum (when you consider the mad inflation of modern football), but their self-image is of a poor club who almost uniquely have to sell to other sides. There’s probably a comparison to be drawn with the Coutinho sale here too, but I’m not sure that they’d appreciate it.

4/Once you get past those £10m-plus deals, a lot of Everton’s biggest sales are of players they moved on at a loss. Bilyaletdinov lost a third of his value after three bleak years; Kroldrup was sold 31 days after his debut; Beattie arrived as an England striker and left after two years, several injuries, a poor disciplinary record, and scoring around once every six games; Yakubu was another free-scoring striker who had an excellent career before and after his time with the Ev - but not during, obviously. 

 

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41 minutes ago, 3 Stacks said:

This is basically it. They started having real money but didn't realize they still aren't an attractive club or have any meaningful football project and so they inevitably spend it on midtable averageness and big club rejects.

 

They've had genuinely one of the worst strategies in world football these last 5 years.

Long may it continue.

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1 hour ago, Ron B said:

Every £1m-plus sale under Moyes:

Lescott - £24m

Rodwell - £12m

Johnson - £10.5m

Rooney - £10m

Arteta - £10m

Bilyaletdinov - £6m

Kroldrup - £5m

McFadden - £4.75m

Beattie - £4m

Davies - £3m

Gravesen - £2.45m

Bent - £2m

Yobo - £2m

Vaughan - £2m

Kilbane - £2m

Pienaar - £2m

Radzinski - £1.75m

Linderoth - £1.75m

Beckford - £1.5m

Yakubu - £1.5m

Naysmith - £1m

Neill - £1m

 

Now this might look like a lot of players, but it’s 22 over the course of 11 years. With the exception of a handful of players who went to bigger/richer clubs (Rooney, Arteta, Lescott, Rodwell), there’s a couple of striking things here. 
1/Wow. Either David Moyes was very loyal to his players and they wanted to stay at the club - this undermines the idea of the Bloos constantly selling their best players, as really it was one big sale every three years - or else Everton didn’t have many players who anyone else wanted to pay money for. 

2/Even of those big four sales, Rodwell was hardly a great loss considering how his career went from there. Throw in the ludicrous sum they got for Andy Johnson and Everton did pretty well with their biggest sales. But that’s not much use to them because...

3/It’s not about selling your best players, but how you bounce back. Leicester sold Maguire for a king’s ransom, but have hardly missed him. Everton sold Lescott for a comparable sum (when you consider the mad inflation of modern football), but their self-image is of a poor club who almost uniquely have to sell to other sides. There’s probably a comparison to be drawn with the Coutinho sale here too, but I’m not sure that they’d appreciate it.

4/Once you get past those £10m-plus deals, a lot of Everton’s biggest sales are of players they moved on at a loss. Bilyaletdinov lost a third of his value after three bleak years; Kroldrup was sold 31 days after his debut; Beattie arrived as an England striker and left after two years, several injuries, a poor disciplinary record, and scoring around once every six games; Yakubu was another free-scoring striker who had an excellent career before and after his time with the Ev - but not during, obviously. 

 

Rooney moved on for a lot more than that tbf.

 

 

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Everton are reportedly keen on attempting to lure Christophe Galtier to Goodison Park and if they are successful, that could be good news on the transfer front. That's because the Frenchman has just recently left Lille having guided them to the Ligue 1 title in style, meaning their squad is not short of talent.

 

https://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/1447246/Everton-transfer-news-Christophe-Galtier-Lille-Zeki-Celik-Jonathan-Ikone-Jonathan-Bamba

 

Another prospective candidate off the list.

 

On Thursday, Lille manager Christophe Galtier gave a rather candid interview to L’Equipe, where he discussed various topics, including his future.

Currently contracted in the north of France, the manager doesn’t have any plans to leave his current job just yet, but he also isn’t hiding the fact he’d like to try something else down the line.

According to a close friend of his, former Nîmes Olympique manager Régis Brouard, Galtier’s dream is to manage Liverpool.

In the interview with L’Equipe, the Lille manager said: “I have an intimate goal, a place where I’d like to one day be manager. It’s not crazy or ambitious. Only my wife knows”.

While Brouard certainly isn’t his wife, the manager does point out to L’Equipe du Soir that he did his coaching badges with Galtier, during which he says the former Saint-Etienne head coach ‘openly admitted’ he’d love to work at Anfield.

In fact, as part of their course, they had to go do a week of work experience at another club, with the Lille man doing so at Liverpool.

The only catch in all this is his claim that his desired place ‘isn’t crazy or ambitious’, but, then again, that’s according to him, and perhaps he has full confidence in his ability, and sees himself being one of the candidates when Jürgen Klopp decides to look elsewhere.

 

http://sportwitness.co.uk/close-friend-reveals-managers-dream-job-liverpool-openly-admitted-course-work-experience/

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I’m pretty sure if you ask United fans. None of them would have had solksjaer anywhere in their minds.

then they won a few with him caretaker.

he’s had a rough patch- but overall he’s done reasonable for them in my opinion- it’s not that far fetched to think dunc could do the same for us.
 
 
 
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15 hours ago, 3 Stacks said:

They have to stop going for big or fancy names that don't give a fuck about them. They aren't a big club, they need to make a coherent appointment for what they are and build.  

But they won't, and they won't. 

 

 

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57 minutes ago, Anubis said:

SteStocksDJ

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I’m pretty sure if you ask United fans. None of them would have had solksjaer anywhere in their minds.

then they won a few with him caretaker.

he’s had a rough patch- but overall he’s done reasonable for them in my opinion- it’s not that far fetched to think dunc could do the same for us.
 
 
 
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FEWMINNNNNNNN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

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The best punishment would have been for UEFA to tell them that they are not allowed to enter their competitions for 10 years.
 
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FOOTBALL

Botched breakaway to European Super League costs ‘big six’ clubs millions

 
Manchester United and Liverpool were two of the clubs involved in the proposed creation of a European Super League



Manchester United and Liverpool were two of the clubs involved in the proposed creation of a European Super League
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Martyn Ziegler, Matt Lawton
Tuesday June 08 2021, 10.30pm, The Times

The Premier League is close to agreeing a settlement with the European Super League rebels that would mean the “big six” clubs paying out millions of pounds for their part in the failed breakaway.
The six — the two Manchester clubs, Liverpool, Arsenal, Chelsea and Tottenham Hotspur — have not faced formal disciplinary charges from the Premier League, as efforts have focused instead on striking a similar peace deal to Uefa’s settlement with the English clubs, Atletico Madrid, Inter Milan and AC Milan.

Although some of the other 14 Premier League clubs had wanted harsher sanctions for the breakaway attempt, including points deductions, league chiefs are understood to have proposed a financial settlement.


A bone of contention has been over whether all of the money should go to good causes or some should be distributed among the other 14 clubs. Following heated talks, it appears an agreement is close and may even be finalised before tomorrow’s annual meeting.
The Premier League is believed to have taken the view that a settlement agreement would be much quicker than opening a formal disciplinary process, and less divisive in the long term. The league is also planning changes to its constitution to block any similar breakaway attempt.

The Uefa sanctions led to the American owners of Liverpool, United and Arsenal paying up to £7 million from their own pockets. Fenway Sports Group, the Glazers and Kroenke Sports and Entertainment said they would cover the financial hit arising from the failed coup rather than using club revenues. Nine of the 12 sides who sought to start the breakaway league accepted measures which included the withholding of 5 per cent of the revenues they would receive from Uefa club competitions for one season — worth between £3.5 million and £5.5 million.

In addition, the nine clubs agreed to donate a combined £13 million to Uefa which will be used for the benefit of children, youth and grassroots football in local communities across Europe, including the UK, and to have fines of € 100 million (about £86m) imposed if they seek to play in such an unauthorised competition again.
Real Madrid, Barcelona and Juventus, who have refused to pull out of the ESL scheme, are facing possible bans from European competition after being charged by Uefa.


 
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Thats pathetic.
 
Houghty19

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Not surprised but they say that any fines will be paid by the owners and not come out of club coffers. Is this not against FFP?
 
Marius57

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It's just a joke. 3 million does absolutely nothing. Even if they try again, 20 million and 30 points won't deter them, because if they try again, they will follow through with it. They now know they have a get out of the PL for £20m. That's pennies to the owners (when they will get much more from TV rights in an ESL)

Loads of anger about it and all the protests their own fans did. But as fans of the rest of the clubs, we will do nothing about the joke of a punishment so they just get away with it and then they leave in 3 years time.

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'Come on Moshing sort it out'

 

Sort what out? Another couple of hundred million? In what way has FFP hampered them? 

 

I read today about Tom Kerridge charging £35 for Fish and Chips and I couldn't believe it. But then I thought 'that's Everton' - overpriced fish and chips. 

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35 minutes ago, Anubis said:

FEWMINNNNNNNN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

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The best punishment would have been for UEFA to tell them that they are not allowed to enter their competitions for 10 years.
 
Zatara

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FOOTBALL

Botched breakaway to European Super League costs ‘big six’ clubs millions

 
Manchester United and Liverpool were two of the clubs involved in the proposed creation of a European Super League



Manchester United and Liverpool were two of the clubs involved in the proposed creation of a European Super League
GETTY IMAGES
Martyn Ziegler, Matt Lawton
Tuesday June 08 2021, 10.30pm, The Times

The Premier League is close to agreeing a settlement with the European Super League rebels that would mean the “big six” clubs paying out millions of pounds for their part in the failed breakaway.
The six — the two Manchester clubs, Liverpool, Arsenal, Chelsea and Tottenham Hotspur — have not faced formal disciplinary charges from the Premier League, as efforts have focused instead on striking a similar peace deal to Uefa’s settlement with the English clubs, Atletico Madrid, Inter Milan and AC Milan.

Although some of the other 14 Premier League clubs had wanted harsher sanctions for the breakaway attempt, including points deductions, league chiefs are understood to have proposed a financial settlement.


A bone of contention has been over whether all of the money should go to good causes or some should be distributed among the other 14 clubs. Following heated talks, it appears an agreement is close and may even be finalised before tomorrow’s annual meeting.
The Premier League is believed to have taken the view that a settlement agreement would be much quicker than opening a formal disciplinary process, and less divisive in the long term. The league is also planning changes to its constitution to block any similar breakaway attempt.

The Uefa sanctions led to the American owners of Liverpool, United and Arsenal paying up to £7 million from their own pockets. Fenway Sports Group, the Glazers and Kroenke Sports and Entertainment said they would cover the financial hit arising from the failed coup rather than using club revenues. Nine of the 12 sides who sought to start the breakaway league accepted measures which included the withholding of 5 per cent of the revenues they would receive from Uefa club competitions for one season — worth between £3.5 million and £5.5 million.

In addition, the nine clubs agreed to donate a combined £13 million to Uefa which will be used for the benefit of children, youth and grassroots football in local communities across Europe, including the UK, and to have fines of € 100 million (about £86m) imposed if they seek to play in such an unauthorised competition again.
Real Madrid, Barcelona and Juventus, who have refused to pull out of the ESL scheme, are facing possible bans from European competition after being charged by Uefa.


 
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Thats pathetic.
 
Houghty19

Houghty19

Player Valuation: £2.5m
Not surprised but they say that any fines will be paid by the owners and not come out of club coffers. Is this not against FFP?
 
Marius57

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It's just a joke. 3 million does absolutely nothing. Even if they try again, 20 million and 30 points won't deter them, because if they try again, they will follow through with it. They now know they have a get out of the PL for £20m. That's pennies to the owners (when they will get much more from TV rights in an ESL)

Loads of anger about it and all the protests their own fans did. But as fans of the rest of the clubs, we will do nothing about the joke of a punishment so they just get away with it and then they leave in 3 years time.

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There's so much bollocks in this, I dont know where to start, the logic is so warped.

 

Like, chuck them out of the league! Yeah, so then the clubs would simply press ahead with the Euro League as they'd have nothing to lose.

 

Chuck them out of the Premier League and points deductions, what for? The Euro League was an alternative to the Champions League. Despite what that fat cunt samuel says, any club in the PL and participating in the Euro League would 1, still want to try and be PL champions and 2, if not, finish as high as possible because more money is divvied out by the PL the higher a club finishes.

 

I honestly wish the clubs had of push on with this Euro League instead of collapsing but sadly, too many of our own were up in arms about it as well.

 

It's funny, except it isnt really, it is predictable instead, that some of the clubs shouting loudest for punishments like points deductions, were the same cunts shouting null and void and no relegation over halfway through the 2019 / 20 season. They're two faced cunts who looked at their own interests. When others do it, they bellyache like fuck because they're small time.

 

West Ham, got a brand new stadium on very favourable terms and the cunts still whinge. everton, taken the best part of £26m+ in taxpayer money from the corona virus business interuption scheme, buying finch farm, investigating loan facilities for the proposed stadium initially costed at £350m (yeah, right!) on the back of the Liverpool Commonwealth Games bid. Then you have their fans spouting shit about Usmanov secretly bankrolling their club and they want to throw shit at Liverpool? Fuck right of you smelly meffs. Aston Villa, escaped sanction by the EFL for breaking financial limits by scrapping promotion to the PL and selling their ground to their owners. Cunt chops purslow spouting shit, as normally, trying to make out everything was above board.

 

Fucking amazing some of these cunts saying 'it's a closed shop, predictable' and other shit. Im all for full transparency and the cunt fans and owners of some of these clubs should be very careful what they wish for.

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25 minutes ago, dockers_strike said:

There's so much bollocks in this, I dont know where to start, the logic is so warped.

 

Like, chuck them out of the league! Yeah, so then the clubs would simply press ahead with the Euro League as they'd have nothing to lose.

 

Chuck them out of the Premier League and points deductions, what for? The Euro League was an alternative to the Champions League. Despite what that fat cunt samuel says, any club in the PL and participating in the Euro League would 1, still want to try and be PL champions and 2, if not, finish as high as possible because more money is divvied out by the PL the higher a club finishes.

 

I honestly wish the clubs had of push on with this Euro League instead of collapsing but sadly, too many of our own were up in arms about it as well.

 

It's funny, except it isnt really, it is predictable instead, that some of the clubs shouting loudest for punishments like points deductions, were the same cunts shouting null and void and no relegation over halfway through the 2019 / 20 season. They're two faced cunts who looked at their own interests. When others do it, they bellyache like fuck because they're small time.

 

West Ham, got a brand new stadium on very favourable terms and the cunts still whinge. everton, taken the best part of £26m+ in taxpayer money from the corona virus business interuption scheme, buying finch farm, investigating loan facilities for the proposed stadium initially costed at £350m (yeah, right!) on the back of the Liverpool Commonwealth Games bid. Then you have their fans spouting shit about Usmanov secretly bankrolling their club and they want to throw shit at Liverpool? Fuck right of you smelly meffs. Aston Villa, escaped sanction by the EFL for breaking financial limits by scrapping promotion to the PL and selling their ground to their owners. Cunt chops purslow spouting shit, as normally, trying to make out everything was above board.

 

Fucking amazing some of these cunts saying 'it's a closed shop, predictable' and other shit. Im all for full transparency and the cunt fans and owners of some of these clubs should be very careful what they wish for.

Quality rant. Just what you need on a Wednesday afternoon. 

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12 minutes ago, Pete said:

Quality rant. Just what you need on a Wednesday afternoon. 

It's Asda's finest pickle, cheese, apple and a bit of pork pie that set me in the mood!

 

I see now the silly 6 have accepted a 30 point 'punishment' if they try again?! The actual fuck?

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They're only fuming because they weren't invited. 

 

Everton remind me of that street gang in the film the Warriors. The orphans who thought they were a big crew but weren't invited to the big meeting with all the big crews. 

 

 

 

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3 minutes ago, Leyton388 said:

They're only fuming because they weren't invited. 

 

Everton remind me of that street gang in the film the Warriors. The orphans who thought they were a big crew but weren't invited to the big meeting with all the big crews. 

 

 

 

Orphans? So far down they're not even on the map, real low class.

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If Liverpool were not one of the clubs involved in the ESL plans, the only comments from Everton fans would be to laugh at us for not being involved in it, how it means we're not an elite club, etc etc. All these punishments they are suggesting are only because WE were involved with it.

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