Cameron: "Cuts will change our way of life"

[stringvest]

Irrespective of your view, I shall still use it. I like it. Without it my wig and make up become irredundant.

 

not to mention your irridescent ra-ra skirt. 

[Guest Numero Veinticinco]

not to mention your irridescent ra-ra skirt.

My friend, this ra-ra skirt will NEVER be redundant.

[Rotpeter]

It's rich seeing people attacking councils for zero hours contracts, seeing as they've had absolutely devastating cuts imposed on them by the government. 

 

In previous jobs I've seen a lot of what goes on at the top end of councils and there's shit on all sides, there's waste and internal incompetence I don't deny that, but they get monumentally shit on by Pickles. I've seen nothing but across the board condemnation of the way he runs his department, even from the LGA (which is Tory run). 

 

I've known councils get told they were getting funding one day, and literally get an email the next saying the government had changed its mind. It's unreal stuff at times, and councils are the part of government that probably affect most of our lives the most. 

 

The cuts to funding IMO were done because this party and this government has an ideological hatred of local government, they see them as Orwelian, and IMO want to reduce them to administrators of services rather than providers. 

 

They want to cut them to the bone to the point where they can no longer afford to carry out snow services, or grass cutting, and so have to outsource it and get the private sector to do it instead. 

 

I've seen it happen with things like care homes, councils have literally sold all their care homes to a private company, and the staff have been put on inferior contracts to cut down on spending and make more money. For anyone to then point the finger at that council when this is the kind of shit we as a society seem to be condoning is ridiculous. 

 

If councils aren't paying decent money any more, it's because they don't have a pot to piss in. 

 

The tragedy is that the party with the big badge with LABOUR written on it reach for the margaret thatcher playbook the minute they face a problem.  They've don't appear to have anything else to offer...

[Jairzinho]

Another debate things on tonight without Davey C and Queg.

[Section_31]

The tragedy is that the party with the big badge with LABOUR written on it reach for the margaret thatcher playbook the minute they face a problem.  They've don't appear to have anything else to offer...

 

Will have to see how things pan out. I'm starting to think/hope that Labour haven't been getting involved in the debates because it was their election to fuck up. 

 

Scrapping the bedroom tax and zero hours contracts is certainly a good start though, 

[Jairzinho]

Fromage getting booed.

[Ginny]

Can't believe that helmet Cameron didn't turn up for a debate - what a shithouse

[Jairzinho]

Amphibian attacking the audience now.

[Ginny]

Haha I know - he's off his head. Insulting the audience

[Rotpeter]

Will have to see how things pan out. I'm starting to think/hope that Labour haven't been getting involved in the debates because it was their election to fuck up. 

 

Scrapping the bedroom tax and zero hours contracts is certainly a good start though, 

 

better to not open your mouth and remove all doubt type stuff, eh?  "Don't worry lads, they're not shit, just stupid!".

 

Alternatively, they talk the talk, but walk the walk through an intellectual vaccuum as evidenced by handing out 1500 zero hour contracts.

[Section_31]

better to not open your mouth and remove all doubt type stuff, eh? "Don't worry lads, they're not shit, just stupid!".

 

Alternatively, they talk the talk, but walk the walk through an intellectual vaccuum as evidenced by handing out 1500 zero hour contracts.

What would happen if they spouted left wing stuff? The country is largely ill informed and gets most of its views from a right wing corporate media, that's the enemy. Hate the game not the player as they say.

[Stickman]

So that's why Cameron didn't have time to join the debates?

 

[VladimirIlyich]

So that's why Cameron didn't have time to join the debates?

 

There's a five year old boy out of shot sucking off IDS.

[lifetime fan]

The chinless wonders PR people have been photoshopping him again.

[Section_31]

Still can't believe those claims about William Hague being gay. 

 

[lifetime fan]

Is fox hunting your favorite sport?

[Dr Nowt]

Watching back the various Newsnight manifesto coverage of last week.

 

I'm no great fan of the Paxman/Wark style of not letting someone get five words in before interjecting, but how long can Davis last on this programme?

 

Embarassing to watch how much of a lightweight he's openly treated as.

[Dr Nowt]

Did enjoy Clegg becoming emboldened enough to call the Lib Dems a plucky, brave party in his interview though.

 

Maybe Davis is aiming for a Louis Theroux style and I'm doing him a disservice.

[Bobby Hundreds]

I was watching max keisers video about private finance which just made me angry but this pissed me off hugely... Britains biggest health trust, Bart's health NHS Trust in London, which was placed in special measures last month. It is £93m in debt - struggling under the weight of a 43- year PFI contract under which it will pay back more than £7bn on contracts valued at a fraction of that sum (£1.1bn). Just feels like to these politcians and the people that advise them treat public money like a great big cash cow then can all take a piece from. How can they rinse society. Fucking mobsters.

[Bobby Hundreds]

On the same video it said, according to Jean shaoul, proffesor emerita at Manchester business school., PFIs have been "an enormous financial disaster in terms of cost". She added: "frankly, it's very corrupt... No rational government, looking at the interests of the citizenry as a whole would do this."

 

Westminister is shady as fuck it needs completely re made anew.

[Sugar Ape]

Hate this little prick.

 

Grant Shapps accused of editing Wikipedia pages of Tory rivals

 

Online encyclopaedia administrators block user account believed to be run by Tory party co-chairman or ‘someone else ... under his clear direction’

 

Wikipedia has blocked a user account on suspicions that it is being used by the Conservative party chairman Grant Shapps “or someone acting on his behalf” to edit his own page as well as the entries of Tory rivals and political opponents.

 

The online encylopedia, where pages are edited and created by readers, has tracked the changes made by a user called “Contribsx” who has systematically removed embarrassing references on Shapps’ Wikipedia page about the Tory chairman’s business activities as Michael Green, the self-styled millionaire web marketeer.

 

A Guardian investigation found about a third of the contributions made by this user were to Shapps’ own wikipedia entry while the rest are made up largely of unflattering changes to the online pages to senior political figures - including major figures in the Tory party such as Philip Hammond, Justine Greening and Lynton Crosby.

 

Wikipedia says that “sock-puppetry” – creating a fake online identity “for an improper purpose, such as to mislead other editors, disrupt discussions, distort consensus or avoid sanctions” – is not permitted.

 

It added that it had banned Contribsx and said any evidence of future attempts to cover the user’s tracks would be investigated immediately.

 

The site’s administrators, selected volunteer Wikipedians who patrol the site, told the Guardian that they “believe that the account Contribsx is a sockpuppet of Grant Shapps’ previous accounts on Wikipedia... and based on the evidence the account is either run by Shapps directly or being run by someone else - an assistant or a PR agency - but under his clear direction.”

 

When the Guardian first approached Shapps that Wikipedia would be closing down this user account because it said it was linked to him, a spokesman for the Conservative party said: “This story is completely false and defamatory. It is nonsense from start to finish.”

 

When Shapps was sent a detailed exposition of the changes made by Contribsx – including posts critical of cabinet colleagues such as George Osborne – the Tory chairman did not respond.

 

Wikipedia relies on about 70,000 people each month who edit the articles for a worldwide readership. With 18bn page views and nearly 500 million unique visitors a month, only Yahoo, Facebook, Microsoft and Google, are more popular websites than Wikipedia.

 

Some of the posts made by Contribsx, which was created in the summer of 2013, illuminate Conservative divisions, focusing notably one of the biggest rebellions in the last parliament over the issue of gay marriage - a policy that remains controversial, with traditionalists targeting liberal Tories in this election.

 

The rancour began after May 2013 when 134 Tory MPs voted against the government, arguing the idea would weaken the institution of marriage. Shapps was one of the MPs that had supported the leadership line that the country was ready for the change.

 

In the months to come, Contribsx highlighted those in the cabinet who had rebelled. In September 2013 Contribsx edited Philip Hammond’s Wikipedia page so that it noted that the then defence secretary had “been openly critical of the prime minister’s approach to the (same-sex marriage) bill saying that he was ‘shocked’ at the speed at which it was pushed through and that it ‘damaging’ for the Conservative party”.

 

Another edit made a few minutes later drew attention to an interview given by the then attorney general, Dominic Grieve, to his local newspaper in his Buckinghamshire constituency noting that he “was one of four members of the cabinet who abstained in the May 2013 same-sex marriage vote. He said that he believed that the bill had been ‘badly conceived’”.

 

Earlier that month Contribsx added extensive information about cabinet minister Justine Greening. Just before his promotion to the cabinet Shapps signalled support for a third runway in Heathrow - a significant move given that this went against party policy at the time.

 

A few days later Greening responded by saying the government remained opposed to a third runway at Heathrow. The next week she was reshuffled out of her job to become overseas aid secretary and the party began talking up the chances of new “aviation capacity”.

 

On a Sunday evening in September 2013 as the west was weighing up whether to launch air strikes against Damascus, Contribsx decided to sum up Greening’s fall from grace – and noted that she went on as development secretary to miss a key vote on Syria - by adding these lines to Greening’s Wikipedia page:

 

“In the runup to the 2012 cabinet reshuffle Greening said it would be difficult to serve in a cabinet which was in favour of a third runway. In the event Greening was reshuffled on 4 September 2012. A move atacked by Boris Johnson... Greening failed to vote in a critical parliamentary division about military action in Syria. Although in the House of Commons at the time, she was reportedly chatting to another minister in a room behind the chamber and failed to notice that the division bell had sounded.”.

 

Contribsx made the edits about Lynton Crosby in March and August last year. At the time there were headlines talking of splits between the election strategist and Shapps. Relations between the men reached an all-time low in March 2014 when the Tory chairman tweeted a now infamous bingo and beer advert that managed to ruin what looked like perfect coverage of the coalition’s fifth budget. Widely derided as being patronising to the poor it was a PR disaster that reportedly almost cost Shapps his job.

 

Contribsx, however, edited Shapps’ wiki page to paint a picture of a man unfairly taking the blame for a Labour-confected controversy that was in fact the fault of Crosby and the chancellor, George Osborne: “In March 2014 Shapps drew national headlines for a tweet in support of the 2014 budget. Labour argued it charactertured (sic) people who play bingo or drink beer. It was later revealed that the ad had been generated in the Treasury and signed off by George Osborne and Lynton Crosby.”

 

Contribsx also targeted Labour MPs who had raised concerns about the Tory chairman’s conduct by adding humiliating details about parliamentary expenses and Commons investigations to their Wikipedia pages.

 

In his last edit, on Easter Sunday this year, the user went online to change the Wikipedia page of Karl Turner, the shadow attorney general. Two weeks earlier Turner had called on the prime minister to investigate Shapps over his repeated denials, which turned out to be false, that he had acted as “web millionaire” Michael Green while an MP.

 

The user posted on Turner’s Wiki page that the Labour MP had “admitted breaking House of Commons rules by sending out invitations to a £45-a-head Labour party fundraising event from parliamentary email”. Contribsx did not add that the parliamentary commissioner for standards had dismissed the allegations, originally made by a local Tory councillor.

 

Suspicions among the community that Contribsx had “connections with Grant Shapps” had first been raised in November 2013.

 

Doubts resurfaced this year after a flurry of edits last month to the Wikipedia entry of Afzal Amin, the Tory prospective parliamentary candidate in Dudley North who resigned after being caught on camera negotiating with the far right English Defence League.

 

Contribsx attempted to set up a page for Amin’s successor, a little-known local councillor who was selected by Shapps, but this was rebuffed by Wikipedia’s editors who questioned whether as a candidate he was politically important enough to have a page to himself.

 

Contribsx responded by saying: “I think that’s surprising given that his predecessor as a candidate for this constituency did have a wiki page and unlike this candidate he was not previously elected to anything.”

 

Little is publicly known about Contribsx despite numerous edits. On the user page there are claims of being “a floater. Have voted for all three main parties at different times in my life. Not being flaky, but just prefer to think issues through and find the manifesto that best represents my views at any one time.”

 

Wikipedia tracked a range of IP addresses used by Contribsx to a web hosting service regularly employed by internet spammers. The same service had been used by an anonymous user in 2013 to remove material from Wikipedia to do with How To Corp, Michael Green and Shapps’ previous sockpuppetry.

 

These anonymous edits expend much energy on editing Shapps’ political credentials so he is listed on Wikipedia as chairman of the Conservative party. He is, in fact, co-chairman, Lord Feldman having been co-chairman since 2010, initially alongside Lady Warsi.

 

Senior editors at Wikipedia become exasperated by this anonymous amending with one responding on 20 July 2013 by saying: “Dear Grant Shapps, clearly your and your supporter’s dodgy behaviour knows no bounds”.

 

While denying that Contribsx’s posts have anything to do with Shapps, the anonymous user responded two days later and defended the use of the pen name Michael Green by Shapps by noting “JK Rowling (who) has written under the pen name Robert Galbraith”.

 

Shapps defence of an alter-ego in public has been “many authors have written under pen names, frequently without revealing as much up front as with JK Rowling”.

 

By summer 2013 three longstanding editors of Wikipedia had complained about the edits made toShapps’ Wikipedia page – and the online encyclopedia blocked it from being changed by “unregistered” users on 25 August 2013.

 

Later that day a username Contribsx was created and his first act was to contact these three Wikipedians to assure them he would be taking a “neutral point of view” over Shapps’ page.

 

Wikipedia’s administrators told the Guardian they believed that Shapps has used alternative accounts that were not fully and openly disclosed in order to “split his editing history, so that other editors were not able to easily detect patterns in his contributions. While this is permitted in certain circumstances, it was not in this case: it is clear that the account was created in order to confuse or deceive editors.

 

“Further, the website’s terms of use prohibit engaging in deceptive activities, including misrepresentation of affiliation. As the account has misrepresented its affiliation, and the account is clearly controlled by Shapps, this is a violation of the terms of use.”

 

A spokesperson from Wikimedia UK, the UK charity that supports Wikipedia, said: “We would welcome any MPs who choose to become editors, and are happy to provide training sessions to anyone who wants to learn.

 

“However, the Wikipedia project is founded on trust, and anyone who tries to deceive our volunteers and readers in order to further their own ends should think very carefully about the morality of what they’re doing. Eventually, the public will find out.”

[Section_31]

I was watching max keisers video about private finance which just made me angry but this pissed me off hugely... Britains biggest health trust, Bart's health NHS Trust in London, which was placed in special measures last month. It is £93m in debt - struggling under the weight of a 43- year PFI contract under which it will pay back more than £7bn on contracts valued at a fraction of that sum (£1.1bn). Just feels like to these politcians and the people that advise them treat public money like a great big cash cow then can all take a piece from. How can they rinse society. Fucking mobsters.

Of course.

 

There's a whole class of people who've got everything sewn up, media, politics, property. Basically anything that doesn't involve brains or where a lack of raw intelligence won't be found out, you won't find them in academia or medicine for example, just places where they can get the maximum impact for the minimum effort through forming their own little clubs.

[Strontium]

I was watching max keisers video about private finance which just made me angry but this pissed me off hugely... Britains biggest health trust, Bart's health NHS Trust in London, which was placed in special measures last month. It is £93m in debt - struggling under the weight of a 43- year PFI contract under which it will pay back more than £7bn on contracts valued at a fraction of that sum (£1.1bn). Just feels like to these politcians and the people that advise them treat public money like a great big cash cow then can all take a piece from. How can they rinse society. Fucking mobsters.

 

Now now, I have it on good authority that Labour left the country in rude financial health, and that the outstanding PFI hospital bill of £60bn they left behind is nothing to write home about.

[Stu Monty]

Now now, I have it on good authority that Labour left the country in rude financial health, and that the outstanding PFI hospital bill of £60bn they left behind is nothing to write home about.

 

Who claimed that about PFI?

 

Oh yeah...absolutely nobody.

[Guest Numero Veinticinco]

Labour left the country in rude financial health

 

YESSS!

 

I've finally got my 1 millionth 'Labour left the country in financial mess' comment. What do I win?