Bascombe?

[Anny Road]

That's a fucking good post because I never thought of the "making contacts" side to Journalism.

 

Honestly Rash is that post for real. If it is you have not got a fucking clue mate.

 

I don't get this CB gone bad thread. The echo is a shite rag too.

[Thants]

Not a top post, just some emotional moron who's letting exactly that, emotion cloud his judgement.

 

Turd head

[AmerScouse]

It's 75% of the job. Do you have any idea how many people there are of equal writing ability there are in this country that would love to be a journalist? Any arsehole can string a sentence together, but the ones who get to the top do so because of their ability to make good contacts, who treat their sources well and cultivate them over time. Those who people can deem trustworthy enough to confide in to get certain messages out there.

 

Think of something like getting Jamie Carragher on side, and the information that would filter though and the long term story implications of that contact. Then tell me with a straight face that you (not you personally Rashid, but others) think Bascombe should choose him as a sacrificial lamb over a young French goalkeeper after yesterday. No. Fucking. Way.

 

i don't think many can argue with the above, but there is plenty in the original match report that i would deem unprofessional.

 

he calls itandje a "Clown" in print. by all means judge his performance, but why does it need to go to that level? and if clown is fair game, then so is every one of the comments where chris is called a cunt. don't make your bed and then refuse to lie in it.

 

as for Chris calling out cardie to "Discuss" his comments, i wonder if Chris will be doing the same and telling Charles Itandje to his own face that he's a clown of a goalkeeper who should be wearing an ambulance siren.

 

its obvious there is an agenda of sorts in the report, and that's fine if its a discreet way of shedding light on some of the situations that are going on, but resulting to name calling in a national publication that is read by thousands of people isn't professional behaviour.

 

its all fine and well to make Itandje the "sacrificial lamb" as you say, but there is no need to manufacture a new truth to keep from having to rightly criticise someone you consider a mate. i would think its wholly possible to have pointed out that carra made a mistake without writing it in a way that threw carra under the bus. xabi was culpable as well. but his "mates" were spared criticism of any sort. how can that be considered responsible reporting when you conveniently ignore the obvious?

[Spooky]

The fact that Bascombe's last few pieces have read so differently from previous ones can't help but make me wonder if he actually wrote them or if he wrote them as they appeared.

 

Chrisb if that really is you, come clean; are your gutter rag editors changing your words to suit their depraved style? Just admit it if so; we won't hold it against you; everyone has to make a living...

 

PM me if you don't want to reply here

[kop]

If they are going to sell the club then they won't sack him. Why should they pay him off?

 

That's a relevant point Mr. Hermes.

 

Let's hope they sell sooner rather than later, so we can see for ourselves if the latest months of turbulence has had an impact on the results. If they sell now, Rafa will have until the end of the season to turn things around in a more quiet environment. I very much doubt that D.I.C will sack him now if the get in, they will wait until the summer so that they have time to do a propper evaluation of the situation.

[Rashid]

That's a relevant point Mr. Hermes.

 

Let's hope they sell sooner rather than later, so we can see for ourselves if the latest months of turbulence has had an impact on the results. If they sell now, Rafa will have until the end of the season to turn things around in a more quiet environment. I very much doubt that D.I.C will sack him now if the get in, they will wait until the summer so that they have time to do a propper evaluation of the situation.

 

I think DIC will give him another year as the last thing they would want is more turnmoil.

[GOLDMEMBER]

I think DIC will give him another year as the last thing they would want is more turnmoil.

 

I dont think they will, as they will want to start afresh.

[kop]

I think DIC will give him another year as the last thing they would want is more turnmoil.

 

Let's hope so. If what you're saying is true, then they would have to back him in the transfer marked aswell this summer. I'm very curious to how much they will spend to be honest (if they're able to buy us that is).

[GOLDMEMBER]

I want him to stay, but i just think that they'll want to stamp their authority on the club.

[Moo]

Thats a bullshit argument, which can be used to absolve any trashy article, by anyone, in any rag. No one is saying that Chris is not entitled to his views, if thats what he really thinks. But thats not to say that we have to accept them, or that he is absolved from critcism, even anger.

 

Is the anger justified? Well, some of the insidious and sly digs against the manager in his last 2 match reports have DISGUSTED me. Certainly not anything a real fan should be proud of.

 

Why is it that if some players have decided NOT to give 100% because of the manager, then those players are innocent and the manager is guilty? Because Chris is directing his anger at Rafa solely.

 

And that last sly "Rafa loves Hicks" comment was despicable. ChrisB, are you reading this? I don't know you, and you may be a sound guy in meatspace, but it was DESPICABLE. A throwaway comment, tossed in at the end - attempting to side Rafa with the "forces of evil", without even an attempt at backing it up with any facts (facts? remember those?)

 

ChrisB - there has to be some element of honesty in any article. When you say that Barnsley richly deserved to win, you're lying. You know you're lying. Everyone who saw that game knows you're lying. Anyone who didnt see the game, but just saw the match stats afterwards, knows you're lying. Barnsley supporters who are justifiably proud of their team, still know they were lucky, and that you're lying.

 

You cannot insert outright lies into an article, and expect fans to RESPECT you for it.

 

And as far as giving ChrisB carte blanche to run his mouth off, and lie and slander Liverpool servants to suit his own preferences, because of some sterling service he did for the club in the past (leading the journalistic charge to "out" the Yanks)?

 

Well, Rafa has done great service for this club in the past too. And I remain convinced that, day in, day out, Rafa continues to give 100% to his job.

 

I reserve my ire for those who are paid by the fans, via Liverpool FC, but who ARE NOT giving 100%.

 

Excellent post.

 

 

Let's not forget Bascome's wholly inappropriate and unecessary Skrtel tirade a few weeks ago.

[Rafa Shankly]

Thats a bullshit argument, which can be used to absolve any trashy article, by anyone, in any rag. No one is saying that Chris is not entitled to his views, if thats what he really thinks. But thats not to say that we have to accept them, or that he is absolved from critcism, even anger.

 

Is the anger justified? Well, some of the insidious and sly digs against the manager in his last 2 match reports have DISGUSTED me. Certainly not anything a real fan should be proud of.

 

Why is it that if some players have decided NOT to give 100% because of the manager, then those players are innocent and the manager is guilty? Because Chris is directing his anger at Rafa solely.

 

And that last sly "Rafa loves Hicks" comment was despicable. ChrisB, are you reading this? I don't know you, and you may be a sound guy in meatspace, but it was DESPICABLE. A throwaway comment, tossed in at the end - attempting to side Rafa with the "forces of evil", without even an attempt at backing it up with any facts (facts? remember those?)

 

ChrisB - there has to be some element of honesty in any article. When you say that Barnsley richly deserved to win, you're lying. You know you're lying. Everyone who saw that game knows you're lying. Anyone who didnt see the game, but just saw the match stats afterwards, knows you're lying. Barnsley supporters who are justifiably proud of their team, still know they were lucky, and that you're lying.

 

You cannot insert outright lies into an article, and expect fans to RESPECT you for it.

 

And as far as giving ChrisB carte blanche to run his mouth off, and lie and slander Liverpool servants to suit his own preferences, because of some sterling service he did for the club in the past (leading the journalistic charge to "out" the Yanks)?

 

Well, Rafa has done great service for this club in the past too. And I remain convinced that, day in, day out, Rafa continues to give 100% to his job.

 

I reserve my ire for those who are paid by the fans, via Liverpool FC, but who ARE NOT giving 100%.

well said mate,put much better than i could ever attempt to put it.:thumbup:

[Rafa Shankly]

Excellent post.

 

 

Let's not forget Bascome's wholly inappropriate and unecessary Skrtel tirade a few weeks ago.

and intandje.

[stringvest]

I'm not being funny, but there are some incredibly naive posters on here. Chris Bascombe is not going to continue to write in the same style he did for the echo. There is a news of the world house style - similar to most red tops. Soundbites, a little sensationalism thrown in, a few bad puns, scapegoating, the cult of the personality etc etc - it's all in there, because that's how they sell papers. It's not bad journalism (except by the standards of the holier than thou brigade), it's a different style of journalism. If he had taken Oliver Kay's job, he would be writing in what might be regarded as a more considered, sober style, but he hasn't. It's no coincidence that some of the red top journos are very highly regarded in the industry, despite writing in the red top style. It's actually not that easy to distil a lot of information down into soundbites for easy consumption by neanderthals (and please don't respond with any fatuous examples to show how easy you think it is). I happen to know a lot of serious journalists, most of who write for what were previously termed broadsheets, but they will tell you it's not easy being adept at cramming information into 200 words were they might have the luxury of 1200, and that's without adding the salacious details.

[EmilHamilton]

It's a bit obvious that there is a mild addition of sensationalism to his story, but I reckon that's more to do with the editors than him alone.

 

Like you said there's an NOTW House Style, something governed by the NOTW itself, not the writers.

 

His stories are still reliable as ever, and his match reports albeit a bit more damning, haven't changed that much.

 

I remember him destroying Zenden a couple of times along with a couple other players, so I see no major difference there.

 

Either way, he's a journalist, not someone important enough to fret 9 pages over. Let it go. He's a good red, a good journalist, and someone who's done far more to bring the truth to the table than all the other rags put together.

[silverlining]

and intandje.

 

There was fuck all that Bascombe wrote about Shitandje that was not deserved.

 

The useless, flapping, butter-fingered twat.

[fivetimes]

Why play him? He doesnt even play for the reserves so was never going to be sharp. I dont understand rotating goalies. Its just suicide and we should have learned our lesson with Dudek.

[silverlining]

Why play him? He doesnt even play for the reserves so was never going to be sharp. I dont understand rotating goalies. Its just suicide and we should have learned our lesson with Dudek.

 

At least Dudek used to be a top keeper.

 

Shitandje isn't even an average goalkeeper.

[Terry]

I'm not being funny, but there are some incredibly naive posters on here. Chris Bascombe is not going to continue to write in the same style he did for the echo. There is a news of the world house style - similar to most red tops. Soundbites, a little sensationalism thrown in, a few bad puns, scapegoating, the cult of the personality etc etc....

 

 

Don't think I've ever read a Bascombe report without a bad pun.

[stringvest]

Don't think I've ever read a Bascombe report without a bad pun.

 

they're deliberate now though ;)

[lifetime fan]

To be fair to Chris he's taken the time to PM me a few times over the last couple of days and put his side across. I still don't agree with the style of his match reports but there aren't many people who would take the time and trouble to do that so fair play to him.

[BACC]

the little twat reports should not be posted on here its a cunt of a paper!

[WaltonRed]

Why play him? He doesnt even play for the reserves so was never going to be sharp. I dont understand rotating goalies. Its just suicide and we should have learned our lesson with Dudek.

 

Spot on. I know Rafa promised him the cup games but he shouldnt of. Reina should start every game, a number two should be happy with being that. If Intandje doesnt like it then he can go, just get some old bastard in who'd be happy as that.

[billybonzo]

Spot on. I know Rafa promised him the cup games but he shouldnt of. Reina should start every game, a number two should be happy with being that. If Intandje doesnt like it then he can go, just get some old bastard in who'd be happy as that.

 

If our so called strikers could hit a barn door it wouldnt matter who we had in nets ffs if they had put away a quarter of the chances we had, we would have still won with Stevie Wonder in nets.

[hamstrung]

Spot on. I know Rafa promised him the cup games but he shouldnt of. Reina should start every game, a number two should be happy with being that. If Intandje doesnt like it then he can go, just get some old bastard in who'd be happy as that.

 

Think he did the same at Valencia with Palop playing the cups. He's half decent though.

[isr]

At the risk of being labeled an even bigger "emotional moron" than I (apparently, according to some) already am, I'll continue:

 

Methinks ChrisB would like have his cake, and eat it too.

 

For me, the last 2 match reports by ChrisB have been an outright disgrace. He seems to have decided upon an agenda - Rafa out - and stuffs it into every paragraph. Even when we won 3-0, he slanders new players, and rips into the manager.

 

Am I the dope here? For thinking that, if ANY player is not giving their honest best efforts on the field, that they should held accountable? Souness was twice the player Gerrard will ever be. If he decided in the begining of the 84 season that Fagan wasn't up to snuff, and coasted through games - Soueey would have been fucked off into the reserves so fast your head would spin. Same with any player, with any manager. Its NOT the players job to decide if the manager is worth playing for. Its the players job, EVERY GAME, to justify their position in the team.

 

You want a return to the Spice Boys days? No, didn't think so. There are many understandable reasons, psychological and physical, why a player may not be able to give his best on a given day. Deciding that they can't be arsed, because they don't like the manager - IS NOT ONE OF THEM.

 

So, back to ChrisB. Many here will explain WHY he is doing what he's doing. In a nutshell, he feels he has to reflect the viewpoints of his most intimate contacts, for fear of losing them in the future.

 

I'm not saying that Chris is not a good newspaper writer (not the same as a good writer, btw). Nor am I saying that he doesn't have deep contacts within the club, etc. But I think there is a deep sense of HYPOCRISY at play here.

 

You can't play both sides of the fence. Write articles that stab at the heart of everything LFC stands for, and still proclaim your undying love for "The Liverppool Way".

 

Thats not hyperbole. Having a pre-meditated agenda of blaming the manager and publically undermining him at every opportunity (even when we win 3-0 for fucks sake!) does stab at the heart of the bonds which hold Liverpool football together.

 

The day I see Rafa laughing his ass off in the tunnel after a defeat, or see Rafa not getting visibly furious when the team are underperforming, I might see your point and agree with some of your criticisms. But, as long as Rafa continues to work his ass off, and as long as he continues to FEEL each defeat like a stab to the heart, then I know that whatever his faults, the real problems lie elsewhere.