Liverpool Supporters Union - A Call to Arms

[aws]

Does anyone have the actual quotes to back this up? Did they categorically say this or were they just careful with their words?

 

 

My recollection is that they were "economical with the truth" . They said something like they wouldn't be financing the purchase of the club with debt (but they didn't go on to promise that they wouldn't be re-financing the purchase with debt).

[Original202]

My recollection is that they were "economical with the truth" . They said something like they wouldn't be financing the purchase of the club with debt (but they didn't go on to promise that they wouldn't be re-financing the purchase with debt).

 

That's what I thought. Amounts to the same thing I suppose, but I thought they just said "We have bought the club with no debt attached to it". I can't remember them ever saying "We won't transfer the debt to the club at a later date".

[Section_31]

Great work by everyone involved in SOS.

I find the fact that some are even questioning their motives or organisation quite staggering to be honest.

 

As the man said: "all that is required for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing."

 

Well good reds are at least trying to do something, and if we go down it won't be without a fucking good fight. Well in fellas.

[Guest Ulysses Everett McGill]

Great work by everyone involved in SOS.

I find the fact that some are even questioning their motives or organisation quite staggering to be honest.

 

As the man said: "all that is required for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing."

 

Well good reds are at least trying to do something, and if we go down it won't be without a fucking good fight. Well in fellas.

 

 

It's only ever over when we say it is

[Dr.Filth]

That's a dangerous game to play. We want to get rid of the owners not ruin the club completely.

 

The negative press doesn't just look bad on them, it looks bad on the club as a whole, and we could find ourselves in a position where we can no longer attract the big sponsors, players and managers.

 

Read the first page of this thread again mate. With the levels of interest we need to repay, the owners are going to ruin the club completely anyway. We won't have the money for top players whether we can attract them or not.

[Guest Ulysses Everett McGill]

WELCOME TO GEORGE GILLETT JR. AND TOM HICKS

 

FEBRUARY 6

Gillett: No debt for Reds

 

By Mark Buckingham - Sky Sports

 

George Gillett Jnr has confirmed money has not been borrowed against Liverpool's debt in order to buy the Premiership club.

 

Along with American business partner Tom Hicks, Gillett has agreed a deal to take over The Reds after his offer was recommended to shareholders.

 

There have been suggestions that the buy-out will be similar to that of the Glazers' takeover of Manchester United, but Gillett says Liverpool will not be saddled with any debt.

 

"This is going to be unusual, I think, in the history of sport in England," Gillett told Sky Sports News.

 

"There were many concerns that the chairman (David Moores) expressed about that subject and we listened to him carefully.

 

"So we've structured it in a way, I think, will be good for the club and good for the fans going forward."

 

Gillett is also prepared to hand manager Rafa Benitez a sizeable transfer kitty for new players and is trying to put the focus on long-term glory, rather than short-term success.

 

He added: "We had a wonderful meeting with Rafa and Rick Parry today. Rather than being specific and saying you've got X number of dollars - we don't know what that number is and I'm not sure they know - instead we said why don't you come to us with a plan.

 

"I know they will be doing that in a professional way and it will be done in a way that will hopefully create for the club sustainable winning.

 

"I don't think it's about buying a year or two of success, we are trying to create sustainable winning for this club, so the fans can be proud of sustainable success, as well as just winning occasionally.

 

"We want to create a club that has that wonderful success on the pitch."

[Sons of Shankly]

Just to clarify something. Neil Atkinson did a piece with Skysportsnews yesterday, and today the S*n have used the quotes along with the line 'he told the S*n'

 

Obviously no-one from Sons of Shankly has spoken, or ever would speak to, that rag. One of our lads has rang their sports desk and had it out with them, only to be told 'the comments are in the public domain so we can do it'.

[melons]

I know its early days yet, and being a woman nagging is instinctive....but, what your doing is going to come at cost and seens as though i/we wont be forking out for any crap at the games the funds should go elswhere.... so.... when and how can we donate?? ;-)

[Fugitive]

Fully behind SOS and the Share Liverpool scheme. The Yanks have taken us for a ride and they need to be shown that we are the wrong club to mess with.

[Scouse_Datcha]

"NEARLY £60m has been pledged towards a fans’ buy-out of Liverpool FC during the first four days of canvassing for supporter opinion.

 

A total of 11,892 fans have indicated they will buy shares in the club on Share Liverpool FC’s website – the group which has outlined proposals for 100,000 fans to buy the club by purchasing a single £5,000 share each.

 

This amounts to £59.46m towards the £500m total needed for the proposed buy-out.

The four biggest countries of origin were the UK, with 25,177 hits, Norway, with 6,138, the USA with 3,071 and Ireland with 2,053 "

 

Read the rest here:

Almost £60m pledged by Liverpool FC fans to buy-out club - Liverpool Daily Post.co.uk

[Guest Ulysses Everett McGill]

Can anyone else see the Olympia like this come about 12:30pm

 

[Ged B]

"NEARLY £60m has been pledged towards a fans’ buy-out of Liverpool FC during the first four days of canvassing for supporter opinion.

 

A total of 11,892 fans have indicated they will buy shares in the club on Share Liverpool FC’s website – the group which has outlined proposals for 100,000 fans to buy the club by purchasing a single £5,000 share each.

 

This amounts to £59.46m towards the £500m total needed for the proposed buy-out.

The four biggest countries of origin were the UK, with 25,177 hits, Norway, with 6,138, the USA with 3,071 and Ireland with 2,053 "

 

Read the rest here:

Almost £60m pledged by Liverpool FC fans to buy-out club - Liverpool Daily Post.co.uk

 

 

That's a pretty good start to be fair.

Still can't see it reaching 100'000 though. Not unless they let people buy more than one share.

[Scouse_Datcha]

That's a pretty good start to be fair.

Still can't see it reaching 100'000 though. Not unless they let people buy more than one share.

 

Well.....25% Norwegians on the stands. Im not sure that that will be better than just two yankies ?

[kop77]

See you all there. 1145 am sat

 

The Olympia

99 West Derby Road

Liverpool

[Cardie]

That's what I thought. Amounts to the same thing I suppose, but I thought they just said "We have bought the club with no debt attached to it". I can't remember them ever saying "We won't transfer the debt to the club at a later date".

 

Yet when I said that all hell broke loose.

 

It's a bit hypocritical of the SoS to be accusing people of lying and being economical with the truth when they are doing the very same thing.

[theRedHorse]

Yet when I said that all hell broke loose.

 

It's a bit hypocritical of the SoS to be accusing people of lying and being economical with the truth when they are doing the very same thing.

 

Dear Cardie

 

Stop being a cunt

 

Love, The Liverpool Way Forum.

[Cardie]

Apologies to the Liverpoolway spokesman.

[Dirk]

I created a facebook event for this to try and spread the word.

 

Login | Facebook

[BROCK]

I created a facebook event for this to try and spread the word.

 

Login | Facebook

 

Good Idea, I've joined and invited a few people for it

[Rashid]

Press Release

 

LIVERPOOL SUPPORTERS UNION

“Sons of Shankly”

 

You may or may not have heard of us. But here’s a little bit about who we are.

 

To do exactly as it says on the tin. A Union for all Liverpool Supporters.

 

A voice that represents us all. A platform for us all to stand together and fight for what we believe in.

 

It is early days, and more details of how the organisation will grow will appear over the next few weeks and months. But the catalyst for our formation…..

 

We want Tom Hicks and George Gillett out of our club - why?

 

THEY LIED & HAVE JEOPARDISED OUR CLUB FOR THEIR PERSONAL GAIN

 

They promised that all loans would be would be secured against their own personal assets.

 

THEY LIED

 

They have taken out a loan of £350m. £105m has been secured against the club and £245m against Kop Holdings - which owns 100% of Liverpool Football Club and has only one source of revenue: The Club.

 

So, regardless of the smoke and mirrors, Liverpool Football Club has to pay all of the interest on all of the £350m.

 

The interest payments alone for this debt will be around £30m each year. All of which will be payable by Liverpool FC - more than enough to wipe out the club’s operating profit.

 

Gillett and Hicks have only taken out this new loan over an 18 month contract. This is very unusual for a deal of this size; three years is the usual minimum term. Wall Street analysts believe that this is because they had difficulty in getting the banks to lend them the money. Which raises questions about:

 

THE STADIUM

 

£60m of that loan has been earmarked for starting construction of the new ground.

 

There is no funding yet in place to complete the stadium, nor has planning permission been granted for a 71,000 capacity. Existing consent is for 60,000, with any increase depending upon improvements to transport and car parking. With no underground car park, the new plans have less car parking than the original 60,000 design!

 

If they can’t borrow again in 18 months then they cannot complete the stadium. How can they pledge now that the stadium will be built? In the same way they pledged it would be well on its way to completion twelve months ago - by misleading us.

 

So do they actually intend to complete the building of the new stadium?

 

Should Hicks & Gillett get the loan to actually build the new ground, the additional interest payments will be £25m per year.

 

This will leave Liverpool Football Club to shoulder annual payments of £55m in interest alone. Which begs the question:

 

WHERE WILL THE FUNDS COME FROM FOR TRANSFERS?

 

When they took over, Hicks & Gillett promised to back the manager in the transfer market.

 

From the two transfer windows Hicks and Gillett have owned the club for, Benitez has spent £48.5m on players, and recouped £33.5m in player sales. A net spend of £15m. This is the up-to-date figure that includes the purchase of Skrtel and the sale of Sissoko.

 

The club brought in around £30m from the run to the Champions League Final last season alone. On top of this there is the increased TV money the club has received.

 

Where is the money Gillett and Hicks have backed the manager with? They’ve lied to us, they’ve manipulated the press, and some people have believed the spin. We won’t.

 

In reality, after all the talk about money and Snoogy Doogy, the manager has spent £15m in the last two transfer windows. How is that backing him in the transfer market?

 

It is about time the real picture was painted for all Liverpool fans out there.

 

They promised to respect the club’s heritage, history and traditions.

 

THEY HAVE LIED AND LIED.

 

They asked to be judged on what their actions. Well they have failed to make a start or produce the funding on the stadium, the major reason why David Moores looked for investment, they have failed to back the manager in the transfer market. They have not put one single cent of their own money into this club and they have undermined the traditions of the football club and the office of manager.

 

They have, however, managed to create huge debt for LFC to pay off without any end product.

 

How, exactly, is the football club in a better position now than it was twelve months ago under David Moores?

 

After the Sunderland game, we staged a 15 minutes stay behind protest at the end of the game. We intend to do the same again.

 

During the protest, Steve McManaman commented on Setanta that the Americans had backed the manager in the transfer market, secured their new loan bringing money into the club, and we should all forget about it and move on. We don’t blame McManaman, a fair number of good Reds have been won over by their spin, so why shouldn’t a blue?

 

So it’s time to spread the message and get the real goings on from within Anfield to a wider audience.

 

It’s about time the truth was exposed.

 

Hicks and Gillett have to be forced out of Anfield before they wreak more havoc.

 

Keep a look out for sonsofshankly.com which will be going live in the next few days. We’ll be handing out flyers at the match with details of any future events.

 

We’ll announce any future meetings on our website, everyone invited, all opinions welcomed.

 

Please send this announcement on to everyone you know. And keep an eye on our website for further updates and how to get involved.

 

The next meeting is scheduled for The Olympia at 12pm on Saturday 16th February - before the Barnsley game.

 

The Olympia

99 West Derby Road

Liverpool

L6 2AF

Map

 

Everybody welcome - See you all there.

 

“Liverpool Football Club, Is In The Wrong Hands”

 

“The socialism I believe in is everyone working for each other, everyone having a share of the rewards. It’s the way I see football, the way I see life”

 

LIVERPOOL SUPPORTERS UNION

“Sons of Shankly”

[kopitegaz]

On Radio Merseyside, Les Lawson has just given the meeting next Saturday a very positive mention. Perhaps he's not the "Tied to the club, so he wont say anything bad about it", Yes Man that some think he is.

[Red22]

LIVERPOOL SUPPORTERS UNION

"Sons of Shankly"

 

You may or may not have heard of us. But here's a little bit about who we are.

 

To do exactly as it says on the tin. A Union for all Liverpool Supporters.

A voice that represents us all. A platform for us all to stand together and fight for what we believe in.

 

It is early days, and more details of how the organisation will grow will appear over the next few weeks and months. But the catalyst for our formation.....

 

We want Tom Hicks and George Gillett out of our club - why?

 

THEY LIED & HAVE JEOPARDISED OUR CLUB FOR THEIR PERSONAL GAIN

 

They promised that all loans would be would be secured against their own personal assets.

 

THEY LIED

 

•They have taken out a loan of £350m. £105m has been secured against the club and £245m against Kop Holdings – which owns 100% of Liverpool Football Club and has only one source of revenue: The Club.

 

•So, regardless of the smoke and mirrors, Liverpool Football Club has to pay all of the interest on all of the £350m.

 

•The interest payments alone for this debt will be around £30m each year. All of which will be payable by Liverpool FC – more than enough to wipe out the club's operating profit.

 

•Gillett and Hicks have only taken out this new loan over an 18 month contract. This is very unusual for a deal of this size; three years is the usual minimum term. Wall Street analysts believe that this is because they had difficulty in getting the banks to lend them the money. Which raises questions about:

 

THE STADIUM

 

• £60m of that loan has been earmarked for starting construction of the new ground.

 

•There is no funding yet in place to complete the stadium, nor has planning permission been granted for a 71,000 capacity. Existing consent is for 60,000, with any increase depending upon improvements to transport and car parking. With no underground car park, the new plans have less car parking than the original 60,000 design!

 

•If they can't borrow again in 18 months then they cannot complete the stadium. How can they pledge now that the stadium will be built? In the same way they pledged it would be well on its way to completion twelve months ago – by misleading us.

 

•So do they actually intend to complete the building of the new stadium?

 

•Should Hicks & Gillett get the loan to actually build the new ground, the additional interest payments will be £25m per year.

 

•This will leave Liverpool Football Club to shoulder annual payments of £55m in interest alone. Which begs the question:

 

WHERE WILL THE FUNDS COME FROM FOR TRANSFERS?

 

• When they took over, Hicks & Gillett promised to back the manager in the transfer market.

 

•From the two transfer windows Hicks and Gillett have owned the club for, Benitez has spent £48.5m on players, and recouped £33.5m in player sales. A net spend of £15m. This is the up-to-date figure that includes the purchase of Skrtel and the sale of Sissoko.

 

•The club brought in around £30m from the run to the Champions League Final last season alone. On top of this there is the increased TV money the club's has received.

 

•Where is the money Gillett and Hicks have backed the manager with? They've lied to us, they've manipulated the press, and some people have believed the spin. We won't.

 

•In reality, after all the talk about money and Snoogy Doogy, the manager has spent £15m in the last two transfer windows. How is that backing him in the transfer market?

 

It is about time the real picture was painted for all Liverpool fans out there.

They promised to respect the club's heritage, history and traditions.

 

THEY HAVE LIED AND LIED.

 

They asked to be judged on what their actions. Well they have failed to make a start or produce the funding on the stadium, the major reason why David Moores looked for investment, they have failed to back the manager in the transfer market, They have not put one single cent of their own money into this club and they have undermined the traditions of the football club and the office of manager.

 

They have, however, managed to create huge debt for LFC to pay off without any end product.

 

How, exactly, is the football club in a better position now than it was twelve months ago under David Moores?

 

After the Sunderland game, we staged a 15 minutes stay behind protest at the end of the game. We intend to do the same again.

 

During the protest, Steve McManaman commented on Setanta that the Americans had backed the manager in the transfer market, secured their new loan bringing money into the club, and we should all forget about it and move on. We don't blame McManaman, a fair number of good Reds have been won over by their spin, so why shouldn't a blue?

 

So it's time to spread the message and get the real goings on from within Anfield to a wider audience.

It's about time the truth was exposed.

Hicks and Gillett have to be forced out of Anfield before they wreak more havoc.

 

Keep a look out for sonsofshankly.com which will be going live in the next few days. We'll be handing out flyers at the match with details of any future events.

 

We'll announce any future meetings on our website, everyone invited, all opinions welcomed.

 

Please send this announcement on to everyone you know. And keep an eye on our website for further updates and how to get involved.

 

 

The next meeting is scheduled for The Olympia at 12pm on Saturday 16th February – before the Barnsley game.

 

The Olympia

99 West Derby Road

Liverpool

L6 2AF

 

Everybody welcome - See you all there.

 

 

 

"Liverpool Football Club, Is In The Wrong Hands"

 

"The socialism I believe in is everyone working for each other, everyone having a share of the rewards.

It's the way I see football, the way I see life"

 

LIVERPOOL SUPPORTERS UNION

"Sons of Shankly"

 

You should try to summarise the important points and put it all down on a leaflet to give to people BEFORE games (so they can read it in their seats).

 

The important thing is to educate those match-going fans who probably aren't aware of a lot of what you've just written. The last flyer was too emotional and didn't really give any info. Maybe include Hicks's three most famous quotes ('weetabix', 'not about winning' and 'using our profits to support his US teams') as it's indisputable he said these things.

 

Maybe it would be better to protest at the start of the game (for five mins or whatever) as it's likely to get more media coverage than a protest at the end when everyone's left. The words and intent to do so could be mentioned in the flyer.

 

People should be asked to join the protest if they wish; the language shouldn't make them feel like they're being forced into doing something as they'll resent it.

 

All press releases should be as the Liverpool Supporters Union ("Sons Of Shankly"); Sons Of Shankly on it's own sounds militant. I'd even go so far as to say that you should mainly use Liverpool Supporters Union from now on (if you really want to be taken seriously).

 

These are just my thoughts on it. Good luck.

 

(P.S. I'd be willing to donate to help with printing costs, etc. Maybe you should set up a Paypal account or something where people can do this??)

[Red22]

Does anyone have the actual quotes to back this up? Did they categorically say this or were they just careful with their words?

 

They said the following:

The payment of interest on, repayment of or security for any liability (contingent or otherwise) due under the facilities [loans] will not depend to any significant extent on the business of Liverpool.

 

Also, the £105m talk appears to be yet more spin; the club may already be legally responsible for the full £350m.

 

Liverpool may be responsible for £350m debt - Football News - Telegraph

[Woo]

Press Release

 

LIVERPOOL SUPPORTERS UNION

“Sons of Shankly”

 

You may or may not have heard of us. But here’s a little bit about who we are.

 

To do exactly as it says on the tin. A Union for all Liverpool Supporters.

 

A voice that represents us all. A platform for us all to stand together and fight for what we believe in.

 

It is early days, and more details of how the organisation will grow will appear over the next few weeks and months. But the catalyst for our formation…..

 

We want Tom Hicks and George Gillett out of our club - why?

 

THEY LIED & HAVE JEOPARDISED OUR CLUB FOR THEIR PERSONAL GAIN

 

They promised that all loans would be would be secured against their own personal assets.

 

THEY LIED

 

They have taken out a loan of £350m. £105m has been secured against the club and £245m against Kop Holdings - which owns 100% of Liverpool Football Club and has only one source of revenue: The Club.

 

So, regardless of the smoke and mirrors, Liverpool Football Club has to pay all of the interest on all of the £350m.

 

The interest payments alone for this debt will be around £30m each year. All of which will be payable by Liverpool FC - more than enough to wipe out the club’s operating profit.

 

Gillett and Hicks have only taken out this new loan over an 18 month contract. This is very unusual for a deal of this size; three years is the usual minimum term. Wall Street analysts believe that this is because they had difficulty in getting the banks to lend them the money. Which raises questions about:

 

THE STADIUM

 

£60m of that loan has been earmarked for starting construction of the new ground.

 

There is no funding yet in place to complete the stadium, nor has planning permission been granted for a 71,000 capacity. Existing consent is for 60,000, with any increase depending upon improvements to transport and car parking. With no underground car park, the new plans have less car parking than the original 60,000 design!

 

If they can’t borrow again in 18 months then they cannot complete the stadium. How can they pledge now that the stadium will be built? In the same way they pledged it would be well on its way to completion twelve months ago - by misleading us.

 

So do they actually intend to complete the building of the new stadium?

 

Should Hicks & Gillett get the loan to actually build the new ground, the additional interest payments will be £25m per year.

 

This will leave Liverpool Football Club to shoulder annual payments of £55m in interest alone. Which begs the question:

 

WHERE WILL THE FUNDS COME FROM FOR TRANSFERS?

 

When they took over, Hicks & Gillett promised to back the manager in the transfer market.

 

From the two transfer windows Hicks and Gillett have owned the club for, Benitez has spent £48.5m on players, and recouped £33.5m in player sales. A net spend of £15m. This is the up-to-date figure that includes the purchase of Skrtel and the sale of Sissoko.

 

The club brought in around £30m from the run to the Champions League Final last season alone. On top of this there is the increased TV money the club has received.

 

Where is the money Gillett and Hicks have backed the manager with? They’ve lied to us, they’ve manipulated the press, and some people have believed the spin. We won’t.

 

In reality, after all the talk about money and Snoogy Doogy, the manager has spent £15m in the last two transfer windows. How is that backing him in the transfer market?

 

It is about time the real picture was painted for all Liverpool fans out there.

 

They promised to respect the club’s heritage, history and traditions.

 

THEY HAVE LIED AND LIED.

 

They asked to be judged on what their actions. Well they have failed to make a start or produce the funding on the stadium, the major reason why David Moores looked for investment, they have failed to back the manager in the transfer market. They have not put one single cent of their own money into this club and they have undermined the traditions of the football club and the office of manager.

 

They have, however, managed to create huge debt for LFC to pay off without any end product.

 

How, exactly, is the football club in a better position now than it was twelve months ago under David Moores?

 

After the Sunderland game, we staged a 15 minutes stay behind protest at the end of the game. We intend to do the same again.

 

During the protest, Steve McManaman commented on Setanta that the Americans had backed the manager in the transfer market, secured their new loan bringing money into the club, and we should all forget about it and move on. We don’t blame McManaman, a fair number of good Reds have been won over by their spin, so why shouldn’t a blue?

 

So it’s time to spread the message and get the real goings on from within Anfield to a wider audience.

 

It’s about time the truth was exposed.

 

Hicks and Gillett have to be forced out of Anfield before they wreak more havoc.

 

Keep a look out for sonsofshankly.com which will be going live in the next few days. We’ll be handing out flyers at the match with details of any future events.

 

We’ll announce any future meetings on our website, everyone invited, all opinions welcomed.

 

Please send this announcement on to everyone you know. And keep an eye on our website for further updates and how to get involved.

 

The next meeting is scheduled for The Olympia at 12pm on Saturday 16th February - before the Barnsley game.

 

The Olympia

99 West Derby Road

Liverpool

L6 2AF

Map

 

Everybody welcome - See you all there.

 

“Liverpool Football Club, Is In The Wrong Hands”

 

“The socialism I believe in is everyone working for each other, everyone having a share of the rewards. It’s the way I see football, the way I see life”

 

LIVERPOOL SUPPORTERS UNION

“Sons of Shankly”

 

But why rob Carraghers birthday cake, I mean hes one of the few at the club who cares about it. Think it through, he was probably gutted when he couldnt put some in evryones party bag because it was robbed. Justs adds to the many stereotypes that us scousers already get, nice goin guys

[Guest Ulysses Everett McGill]

But why rob Carraghers birthday cake, I mean hes one of the few at the club who cares about it. Think it through, he was probably gutted when he couldnt put some in evryones party bag because it was robbed. Justs adds to the many stereotypes that us scousers already get, nice goin guys

 

What are you going on about?