General Election 2019

[Denny Crane]

We know the lies they tell publicly but some of shit they make up on the doorstep. 

 

 

https://mobile.twitter.com/willgoring

[aRdja]

 

[Jairzinho]

35 minutes ago, Stickman said:

Vote Tory or else....

 

 

Haha.

 

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[Mudface]

9 hours ago, Strontium Dog™ said:

 

You what?

 

127 Labour MPs voted for an early general election. 0 Lib Dem MPs voted for it.

 

I don't know what you're trying to achieve with these easily disprovable lies.

This never happened then?

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/oct/28/government-likely-adopt-lib-dem-election-plan-says-jo-swinson

 

Government likely to adopt Lib Dem election plan, says Jo Swinson

Party’s leader predicts Boris Johnson will take suggested route if Brexit delay agreed

 

Jo Swinson said her party’s bill ‘ties the prime minister’s hands about the date of the election’. Photograph: Jeff Overs/PA
The government is likely to accept a Lib Dem plan to force a general election via legislation if, as expected, a new Brexit delay is agreed, the party’s leader, Jo Swinson, has predicted.

While the government remains officially focused on calling an election through a motion under the Fixed-term Parliaments Act (FTPA), this would need a two-thirds majority and a third attempt at this route appears destined to fail when MPs vote on Monday afternoon, with Labour set to abstain.

If it does not pass, Swinson said she expected Boris Johnson’s government to get behind a joint Lib Dem and Scottish National party plan to call an election in December by simply amending the FTPA, which would require a standard majority.

“Absolutely,” Swinson told BBC Radio 4’s Today programme. “This bill is one that we have drafted. It ties the prime minister’s hands about the date of the election. It sets it in law, so it doesn’t give him the wriggle room that his plan would have.

“I haven’t heard from behind the scenes, but I have written to him this morning, so I will hope to get a response this morning.”

When the idea for the bill-based election was first revealed on Sunday, Johnson’s ministers dismissed it as a “gimmick”. However, Downing Street soon indicated it could adopt the plan if its FTPA-based election bid failed.

However, agreement seems some way off amid mutual mistrust over issues such as the fact that a bill could be amended.

Asked about the idea on Monday, the education secretary, Gavin Williamson, refused to be drawn, calling the government motion the “quickest and easiest and safest route” to an election. He told Sky: “What the prime minister is determined to do is get this vote through tonight.”

But Williamson said he believed MPs were getting behind an election: “They are moving to recognition that this parliament isn’t going to deliver anything. It doesn’t want no deal. It doesn’t want a deal. It seems to not want an election. That’s not sustainable.”

The schools minister, Nick Gibb, told the Today programme Swinson sought an election in order to “disobey” the mandate given in the EU referendum. “They want to revoke article 50 and keep us in the EU,” he said.

The Lib Dem/SNP plan also opens a divide with Labour, which has said it can only back an election if Johnson categorically rules out no deal, both at the end of January and if no permanent trade deal is in place by December 2020.

In seeking an election the Lib Dems have given up on their preference for a second referendum. Swinson said Jeremy Corbyn had been “missing in action on Brexit”, and that without Labour support in parliament a second referendum would not happen.

“I don’t see any guarantee that waiting is going to make the Labour party suddenly get a serious position on Brexit,” she said. “But what waiting would do is risk no deal. Because if we waste this extension and we end up with that 31 January deadline looming, assuming it’s granted today, and we haven’t done anything with this time, then there’s no guarantee the EU will extend again.”

Swinson told Today she believed this had helped the EU move towards agreeing a Brexit extension to 31 January.

She said: “One of their big concerns was that they offered an extension earlier this year, said ‘don’t waste the time’, and then we had a Conservative leadership election and Boris Johnson mucked about not trying to get a deal, shutting down parliament, the very masterclass in timewasting. So understandably they had a degree of reluctance.”

[Mudface]

Then there's this-

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/oct/30/let-battle-commence-how-the-parties-are-shaping-up-for-decembers-election

 

Liberal Democrats

Preparedness
As evidence by the fact it was a Lib Dem-instigated plan which unblocked the election process, the party is raring to go and hopes to make significant gains now it has accepted a second referendum seems impossible in this parliament.

[Lee909]

Can't say im looking forward to the 13th and another 5 years of these cunts and that shit eating grin the cunt will have on, quotes about a full mandate to fuck the country for 50 years etc

[aRdja]

Chilling.

[Bobby Hundreds]

1 hour ago, Vincent Vega said:

Yeah, that YouGov poll makes it look like big losses incoming across the big leave supporting constituencies.

 

Just hope some people get to the ballot box and decide they can’t go ahead with voting Tory. 

Then they will just vote brexit party.

[Jairzinho]

7 minutes ago, Bobby Hundreds said:

Then they will just vote brexit party.

Hopefully.

[Red Phoenix]

Good to see pocketgate still on the go and causing them issues, from Guardian quoting radio 4 :

 

Quote

Q: Was it dignified for the PM, when he was asked to look at a picture of a sick child sleeping on a hospital floor, to ignore it and put the phone in his pocket?

Gove says Johnson did look at the photograph. He sent Matt Hancock, the health secretary, to the hospital.

 Q: He put the phone in his pocket.

 That was “a single moment of absent-mindedness”, says Gove.
 

 

Fuck off Tory twat.

[Mudface]

If I went round absent mindedly taking people's phones and putting them in my pocket, I wonder how long it'd take for the judge to stop laughing. 

[Vincent Vega]

I can’t get my head around former mining communities voting Tory, I mean what the fuck?

[Stickman]

Very Churchillian

 

 

[Mudface]

14 minutes ago, Stickman said:

Very Churchillian

 

 

Coward. Unsurprisingly, nothing about this on the BBC live blog.

[Red Phoenix]

 

[Nelly-Szoboszlai]

43 minutes ago, Stickman said:

Very Churchillian

 

 

Frozen chicken. 

[Strontium]

2 hours ago, Mudface said:

This never happened then?

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/oct/28/government-likely-adopt-lib-dem-election-plan-says-jo-swinson

 

Nice little goalpost move, but your claim was that the Lib Dems gave Boris Johnson what he wanted. All the parties supported an early election, so why single out one with a couple dozen MPs, who didn't actually vote for it in the end?

 

As with the "How dare the Lib Dems not unilaterally stand aside for Labour in all these constituencies!!!" bleating, it's a transparent attempt to shift the blame for Labour's inevitable defeat onto a party which has been right and done the right thing at every juncture in this last parliament.

[Mudface]

Hilarious.

[Stickman]

1 hour ago, Stickman said:

Very Churchillian

 

 

 

 

This was how Tory HQ reported it

 

 

[Red Phoenix]

Some good points here from Craig Murray (his bold not mine, and I mean what's here in general) :

 

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Brexit, the expulsion of moderate Conservative MPs and the hard right Tory stance on immigration and social services has caused a revulsion among liberal Tories from Johnson. In the UK as a whole, the swing against the Tories by liberal former Tory voters is every bit as large as the swing to the Tories in Brexit seats – hence the Tories are on almost exactly the same percentage overall as in 2017. For every racist dullard voting for Johnson’s dog whistle racism, there is an urbane Tory in Wokingham or similar towns refusing to vote for him for the same reason. Yet our televisions and radios have for a month been crammed with literally hundreds of selected representatives of the former group and virtually nil of the latter group.

This is not an accident nor is it unimportant. The media – and the BBC have been most guilty of all – know very well what they are doing. It is deliberate reinforcement of the government’s campaign message. Featuring stream upon stream of working class voters saying they will vote Tory normalises the idea and plays to the popular desire to join the winning team.

Just imagine for one moment that every time the broadcast media had shown a man in a high vis saying he was deserting Labour to “get Brexit done”, they had balanced it with a doctor’s wife from Cheam saying she was deserting the Tories over NHS funding. It would have challenged the entire government narrative. But the media have not done this. They have instead chosen to tell only the pro-government side of this story of electoral swings. This is probably the worst period of concerted state and billionaire controlled media propaganda in the modern history of the “democratic West”.

Ask yourself this simple question. The Tory vote has not increased since 2017. Have you heard that simple fact stated on the broadcast media and is it the impression the broadcast media have been giving?

 

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More importantly, the YouGov constituency poll of over 100,000 interviews was conducted from 3 to 10 December. The momentum was already against the Tories, and the large majority of its responses were from before the Boris Johnson phone snatching interview and NHS child on the floor scandal, which I suspect has put off more prospective Tory voters. So it was a snapshot of voting intent mostly several days ago, not today, let alone tomorrow when we vote. Remember also the evidence of 2017 is that after a time the highly controlled, slogan-led campaign wears on voters. People who were quite impressed the first time they saw Boris Johnson say “Get Brexit Done” are less impressed when they have seen him say that and nothing else for four weeks. They are inclined to conclude he is an empty slogan parrot, as they did with Theresa May and “strong and stable.”

 

The final reason to believe that the Tory lead will narrow from the YouGov constituency model poll is that they themselves reported this. Their poll was taken over seven days; at that start of that period it was showing an 11 point lead to the Tories, by the last day it was showing an eight point lead. I see every reason to expect that momentum to continue. Finally, remember that YouGove are an extremely Tory friendly pollster.

 

https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2019/12/the-largest-vote-swings-in-british-general-election-history-censored-out-by-the-bbc-and-mainstream-media/

 

[Jairzinho]

Ha, the comments on that video along the lines of -

 

"Hi, Laura, I'm a senior Tory source, I can confirm that he deffo hid in a fucking fridge"

[Bjornebye]

If the Lib Dem’s and swinson really wanted a shot at cancelling Brexit then they should have sides with Labour. They will cosy up with the tories. Again. 

[M_B]

Much better to form a coalition with Labour and the SNP and realistically have a chance at a referendum. If they side with the Tories then they'll just become a doormat and their voters will leave in droves.

[Baltar]

Labour all the way. For once in my life I'd like to see the UK led by a genuine, honest bloke. Let's make it happen.

[Bjornebye]

2 minutes ago, M_B said:

Much better to form a coalition with Labour and the SNP and realistically have a chance at a referendum. If they side with the Tories then they'll just become a doormat and their voters will leave in droves.

They have done it before.