Should Corbyn remain as Labour leader?

[Numero Veinticinco]

You’re lying about why you did it. 

[AngryOfTuebrook]

On 28/11/2019 at 18:23, Nelly-Torres said:

Goodness me! 

 

 

Fair fucks to O'Brien there. 

 

There's always a risk  (as in any witchhunt) that anybody defending a falsely accused person, or even asking for evidence, can be accused themselves.  It's a risk that most journalists and politicians (even in the Labour Party) are not willing to take.

 

It takes genuine courage and integrity in the current political environment to talk to a Jewish person, citing family experiences of the Holocaust, about Labour and anti-Semitism and to hold their claims to the same evidential standards as everyone else's. 

[AngryOfTuebrook]

18 hours ago, Rico1304 said:

That’s the way he’s viewed by a lot of people. The fact you don’t think he is doesn’t matter. 

Right.

 

30 years ago Nelson Mandela was viewed as a terrorist by a lot of people.  The fact that others didn't think so doesn't matter.

 

Is there no room in the debate for facts and objective, demonstrable truth? If anyone accuses Corbyn  (or anything else) of supporting terrorism, it obviously demands evidence. 

[AngryOfTuebrook]

19 hours ago, redinblack62 said:

You argued your point well up until

 

"He is viewed as a terrorist sympathiser, you can argue but he is. "

 

then your Daily Heil tendencies came out.

I got as far as "far left" in the first line.

 

Because anyone who wants to reduce the numbers of people dying in doorways is obviously the new Stalin.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

18 hours ago, Rico1304 said:

I think Starmer would temper the policies that don’t sit well with the majority, 

Such as?

[AngryOfTuebrook]

18 hours ago, Rico1304 said:

 

I voted for the party that would benefit me and my family the most...frankly, it worked.  
 

 

Fucking hell. 

 

Tens of thousands dead through austerity; public services stripped back and flogged off; rough-sleeping and foodbank use through the roof;  Brexit-inspired spikes in racist violence; etc.

 

But everything is just fine Chez Rico, so FIVE MORE YEARS!!!

[A Red]

17 hours ago, Denny Crane said:

 

Quite a contradiction going on in this post. You even admit it is more than one reason in the post. I don't know if you and A Red are typical Tory voters and there aren't many Tory voters or those who like their policies and what they stand for on here. However neither of you would vote Labour unless it helps your finances. I mean you even point out that Starmer would have to change policies. So if you and A Red are typical of many Tory voters - unless Labour become more Tory in their economic offer you and others wouldn't consider voting for them. So it is more than Corbyn right? 

I wont vote for Corbyn because I am not a socialist. 

 

Randomly - I dont believe in widespread nationalisation, heavily taxing capital gains or inheritance, i am suspicious about plans to overhaul council tax or any plans for garden/mansion tax. I dont like the idea of scrapping private schools and suspicious about Trident plans. I dont want politicised strong unions and prefer lower corporation tax. I believe as Rico said, he has been the friend/sympathiser of terrorists and has been anti western. His Brexit policy is shite and will lose him the election anyway. 

 

I am not a tory, I will vote for the party that suits me best and after this election will have voted for all 3 parties at some stage.  I am not a supporter but a voter.

[sir roger]

Just some of the delights Rico's vote helped towards.

 

2010-2019, in case you missed it...

1,000 sure start centres closed.
780 libraries closed.
700 football pitches closed.
Food bank use up 2,400%.
Homelessness up 1,000%.
Rough sleeping up 1,200%.
Bedroom tax caused mass evictions.
Evictions are running at record highs.
35% of U.K. kids live in poverty.
Student fees up 300%.
Student debt has risen 150%.
Eradication of EMA (education maintenance allowance).
National debt has risen from £850billion to £2.25trillion.
Emergency Brexit stimulus from BoE in June 2016 of £175b.
Brexit related fall in national revenue £500b.
GDP fallen to -0.1%.
U.K. pound fallen by circa 15%, versus EUR and USD.
AAA credit rating gone.
Manufacturing in recession.
Construction in recession.
Retail in recession.
Services close to recession.
25-30% cuts to all govt departments.
25-30% cuts to all councils, mainly centred on Labour councils.
Half of councils facing effective bankruptcy.
185k extra deaths attached to the political ideology of austerity.
25,000 less police.
20,000 less prison officers.
10,000 less border officials.
10,000 less firefighters.
10,000 less medical professionals.
25,000 less bed spaces for mental illness.
OECD calculate 3 million hidden unemployed; rate is really 13%.
Creation of 1.3m jobs, mainly temporary, self employed, gig economy and ZHC.
Only 30k full time positions created.
Close on 50% of workers are self employed, ZHC, or part time precariat.
25% cuts for disabled community.
Mobility allowance cut.
Closed Remploy.
40% of working households have practically no savings.
70% of households have less than 10k savings.
80% of households can only survive 4 months without a wage.
Household debt reaches new peak, despite emergency base rates.
Increase of 350% in hate crimes.
Increase of knife crime by 150% to 22,000 per year.
Increase in teenage suicide by 70%.
Suicide up 12% in the year 2018.
Self harm among young women up 70%.
Council home building down 90%.
200k social homes lost since 2010.
Zero starter homes built, despite Tory flagship programme.
Council home building down 90%.
200k social homes lost since 2010.
One million families on council home waiting list.
100,000 increase on the council home waiting list since 2010.

Tories; killing our people and society while stealing our assets, since 1834.

[Denny Crane]

3 hours ago, Rico1304 said:

Playing the victim? What are you on about? I’m explaining why I did it. 

In the last few posts you responded with something like - my votes makes me worse than a nonce and then followed it up with my vote makes me selfish. The jist you portray is you are regularly on the receiving end of unwarranted criticism. 

[Rico1304]

4 minutes ago, Denny Crane said:

In the last few posts you responded with something like - my votes makes me worse than a nonce and then followed it up with my vote makes me selfish. The jist you portray is you are regularly on the receiving end of unwarranted criticism. 

What on earth are you on about?  I’m telling you, as I have in the past, that I’m more selfish than you. In that I’d vote for policies that protect me, rather than anyone else.  It’s not looking for sympathy, it’s the truth.  I don’t care about any criticism.  It’s the internet. 

[moof]

Embarrassing childish shit 

[Megadrive Man]

21 hours ago, Rico1304 said:

Then give them a credible alternative. Keir Starmer would walk this.  Where is he, locked up with JRM? 

It doesn't matter who is in charge! They will be smeared left right and centre.

 

If Keir Starmer was in charge the media would describe him as undemocratic remainer, Stammering Starmer. They would dig up anything and everything they could use as a stick to beat him with, just like they did to Brown, Milliband and now Corbyn. 

 

You're a smart lad you must be able to see this?

[Megadrive Man]

18 hours ago, Rico1304 said:

I don’t think so.  
 

Without Corbyn I’m pretty sure Labour would be all out remain and I’d vote for them.  Because Brexit is a shit storm.  Corbyn wants Brexit, that’s the opinion of lots of voters.  I think they are right.  So, if it suits me I’d vote labour.  Just like now With the Tories  it doesn’t mean i agree with all their policies, just that on balance the likelihood is id benefit. That’s why I’m voting Lib Dem now. 

 

The main reason Labour are losing this election is because there leave voters have deserted them to vote for the Tories. 

 

Explain how Labour could win 326+ seats based on an out and out remain platform? 

 

The Lib Dems are standing on an out and out remain platform and are on course to have about 1 or 2 more seats than they did two years ago.

[TheHowieLama]

2 hours ago, MegadriveMan said:

 

The main reason Labour are losing this election is because there leave voters have deserted them to vote for the Tories. 

 

 

Then why does everybody keep saying the election is not about Brexit?

[Bobby Hundreds]

Brexit is oven ready. On December 13 it will all be done and dusted, every deal signed! with us obviously getting the best of every trade agreement because we are good old Britain and the business world is very charitable.

[Anubis]

7 minutes ago, Bobby Hundreds said:

Brexit is oven ready. On December 13 it will all be done and dusted, every deal signed! with us obviously getting the best of every trade agreement because we are good old Britain and the business world is very charitable.

Empire 2.0.

[Anubis]

Long thread. But an alternative opinion,

 

 

 

[Guest Pistonbroke]

Einhorn is German for Unicorn. 

[Bjornebye]

Na o le tuanai atu, sa ou 'ai i laʻu vevela vevela ma talotalo mai e le au uso le pese a lana moa' Boris Boris 'ona ia fasi ai lea o se ulu i luga ma mail ai is Samoan for It just went past, I was eating my hot-dog and the weird cunt waved his cock shouting 'Boris Boris' then he hit a lampost head on and died. 

[Denny Crane]

Apparently voting was open to all members of the SPD for the first time in Germany. A lefty called Norbet and Saskia won beating the centrist pairing according to this article. The SPD had been in a battle about which political direction to take. 

 

 

 

 

[sir roger]

Most Germans called Norbert turn out okay.

[redinblack62]

On 29/11/2019 at 16:54, Rico1304 said:

But a vast majority of people aren’t involved or engaged. Show them multiple pictures and videos of him calling terrorists ‘friends’ and it’s not hard to say he’s sympathetic. Because he is.  
His first instinct is to be anti-west and he’s provided examples of that.  So for people like lots on here he’s just what they want.  But for most ‘normal’ voters he’s easily discredited. That’s a fact. 

It isnt fact, its how you make stuff fit your agenda. Its what you think, and you are talking with your dick out, you are saying "fact" but it isnt. 

 

If you dont think people should engage with alternative viewpoints, Im sure you can tell us how The Good Friday Agreement could have been formulated without such engagement. But then again you wont, because you probably dont give a fuck as it doesnt affect you.

[Rico1304]

6 minutes ago, redinblack62 said:

It isnt fact, its how you make stuff fit your agenda. Its what you think, and you are talking with your dick out, you are saying "fact" but it isnt. 

 

If you dont think people should engage with alternative viewpoints, Im sure you can tell us how The Good Friday Agreement could have been formulated without such engagement. But then again you wont, because you probably dont give a fuck as it doesnt affect you.

Corbyn was described as a nuisance by Mo Molam.  He did nothing of note and had nothing to offer.  And of course the NI situation impacts me, I don’t like getting blown up. 

[Rico1304]

2 minutes ago, Istvan Kosma said:

Well long as you're alright. Pure tory thinking and along the same lines as how a drug dealer can think.

Those days are long gone.  

[Pidge]

On 30/11/2019 at 11:12, A Red said:

I am not a tory,

Fair enough, it's a great impression. Rory Bremner would be proud.