Should Corbyn remain as Labour leader?

[sir roger]

8 minutes ago, Captain Willard said:

 I worry every time Mrs Willard goes out. 

 

 

I thought you had filled the hole in now ?

[Arniepie]

Here was me thinking there is a slight difference between some random fruit loop attacking a politician and a national broadcaster saying a 70 odd year old fella should be smacked in the mouth. 

 

[Rico1304]

Everything is ok to joke about, until it’s the thing that you care about. 

[Arniepie]

2 minutes ago, Rico1304 said:

Everything is ok to joke about, until it’s the thing that you care about. 

Ah so he was joking when he said he wanted to punch him in the face.?

I think my sides did genuinley split tbh.

[Rico1304]

5 minutes ago, Arniepie said:

Ah so he was joking when he said he wanted to punch him in the face.?

I think my sides did genuinley split tbh.

You think he was serious? You think Corbyn is in danger? 
 

 

[Rico1304]

I mean, he says he was tempted, but didn’t do it - clearly joking and your knickers are in a twist.  Would you react like this if it was any other person on the planet? 

[AngryOfTuebrook]

3 hours ago, bossy said:

This thread could be moved to the previous managers forum…

Best idea yet.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

4 hours ago, Rico1304 said:

I’ve said vigilante violence isn’t justified. Legal violence, knock yourself (or someone else) out.  

That's not what you said.

 

You said "It's never right to be violent."

 

If you meant "sometimes" instead of "never", you probably should have said it, because, y'know, it's a significant distinction.

 

[AngryOfTuebrook]

3 hours ago, Rico1304 said:

Lib Dem now mate. Keep up. 

Although my MP William Wragg has been shoeing Johnson today. 

I didn't know he was your MP. I was giggling at his name today.

[Arniepie]

24 minutes ago, Rico1304 said:

I mean, he says he was tempted, but didn’t do it - clearly joking and your knickers are in a twist.  Would you react like this if it was any other person on the planet? 

If he said he was going to punch any other 70 odd fella in the face ,  I'd probally find it slightly less splitting than you do.

 

[Rico1304]

8 minutes ago, Arniepie said:

If he said he was going to punch any other 70 odd fella in the face ,  I'd probally find it slightly less splitting than you do.

 

He didn’t say that you fucking crack. He said he was tempted and didn’t do it.  We know this, because, well, he didn’t fucking do it!!   Jesus. 
 

 

[Rico1304]

15 minutes ago, AngryOfTuebrook said:

I didn't know he was your MP. I was giggling at his name today.

Mate, I’ve given him so much shit. He’s a ex primary school teacher who lived with his mum until recently as he ‘couldn’t afford’ to buy a house on his wage. My wife writes to him about every 2 weeks but he’s actually not as much of a cunt as I thought. He’s impressed me recently- but only because he’s attacked Johnson. 

[Arniepie]

2 minutes ago, Rico1304 said:

He didn’t say that you fucking crack. He said he was tempted and didn’t do it.  We know this, because, well, he didn’t fucking do it!!   Jesus. 
 

 

Ahh that's OK then. 

Sorted 

Glad that's all cleared up.

 

[Rico1304]

32 minutes ago, Arniepie said:

Ahh that's OK then. 

Sorted 

Glad that's all cleared up.

 

What more do you want? Literally nothing happened, at all.  
 

What we’ve learned is jokes where JC is involved are forbidden.  Like, say, blasphemy.  

[Bruce Spanner]

Always nice when Rico has had a couple of post work white wine spritz’s and decides to poke holes in the lefts wonky standards.

 

Good stuff all round.

[Rico1304]

40 minutes ago, Bruce Spanner said:

Always nice when Rico has had a couple of post work white wine spritz’s and decides to poke holes in the lefts wonky standards.

 

Good stuff all round.

3 pints at lunch and the next thing you know I’m on Granada reports telling the North West Ten Hag is the new Fergie!

[Bjornebye]

25 minutes ago, Rico1304 said:

3 pints at lunch and the next thing you know I’m on Granada reports telling the North West Ten Hag is the new Fergie!

Superb hahaha

[Moctezuma]

11 hours ago, Captain Willard said:

I’m not going to spotlight people by quoting their posts but trawl through the tory related threads and there’s plenty of talk about violence against current politicians. It seems to be that if you occupy the moral high ground, you can say anything you want about your opponents. Look at the McDonnell lynching quote. 
 

Activists who are out campaigning in the current local elections are being sent security advice from Tory central office. This has never happened before. I worry every time Mrs Willard goes out. I never used to.

 

The whole debate about politics in this country is becoming toxic and violent and this place reflects that. 

 

I think a huge amount of this is due to social/traditional media siloisation with people being in echo chambers and the fact that the actual geographical differential distribution of the supporters of the respective parties having intensified (so people aren't meeting others with different points of view to the same extent any more to enable greater humanisation). Social media clicks being driven by a heightening of peoples anger/ annoyance is also not helping.

 

I reckon part of it is also worsening economic conditions, caused predominantly by global supply chain issues, pandemic and inflation, with the flagrant inter generational and economic class warfare that is being enacted by the government as they pander to their electoral base not helping on that front. You can't keep immiserating peoples lives and think that it will not result in some degree of increased animosity. Though I think some of the behavior during the pandemic by the leaders of the current regime will also have created some extremely raw nerves and that is also probably a fairly significant motivator alongside the associated psychological issues from lockdowns and lived experiences.

 

One other element is a feeling of a lack of democratic representation, for example if you are a young person in an urban setting where you and the vast bulk of your friends are renting and having a hard time of it economically while having socially liberal attitudes and your not coming into contact with anyone who is explicitly conservative with the exception of a perhaps a few older family members then seeing the Conservatives come in with crushing electoral victories every election starts to feel a bit dishearting/discombobulating. In part this is because the media virtually never talk about the electoral terrain of the country which is so in favour of the Conservatives currently as to basically make it 5-0 prior to kick off. I know a lot of this results in a deep apathy, but for some it will become 'motivational'.

 

On the other hand if you are an older home owner who in a semi rural/village setting whose only experience of those with a greater propensity to vote for Labour/the greens is when your niece/nephew is calling you racist for using slightly outmoded language then you too will probably end up getting pretty annoyed.

 

These are obviously gross over simplifications but I think the genuine reduced lack of contact is having a substantial effect with regards empathy understanding and working out how people have arrived at where they are.

 

[Creator Supreme]

1 hour ago, Rico1304 said:

3 pints at lunch and the next thing you know I’m on Granada reports telling the North West Ten Hag is the new Fergie!

Oh please do this Rico!

[Moctezuma]

I realise this is highly anecdotal and very specific, but the following may be illustrative of the point being made above.

 

My aunt lives in a the village/suburb in the North West, votes conservative, reads traditional media (the mail), and is a home owner. She volunteers and is a number of local community arts groups, I get on well with her on an interpersonal basis regardless of any political disagreements which obviously generally avoided.

 

I live in London, virtually all of my friends in the millue down here (predictably/tediously) either vote for the Labour Party, Lib Dems and profess to holding very socially liberal views, I rent, get virtually all of my news from online sources, a decent chunk of my friends are mortgage holders, but that is due to family members giving them significant amounts of money for a deposit, of those from less well off backgrounds/colleges at work they virtually all rent or live with their parents.

 

My aunt gets visibly annoyed with the younger generation in our family (most of whom are now in their early 30's) because most of them haven't had children (of course a lot of older people want to have grand children as they bring great joy to their lives and it feels like a continuation of their legacy), which she sees as a active choice. On speaking with my sibilings and cousins it's fairly obvious most this relates to economics and housing (i.e. that these costs- whether getting together a deposit or keeping rental payments going- are prohibitive for people to settling down getting married and starting to have children). The newspaper she reads reinforces (siloisation) this view that it is considerable amount of this is due to 'avocado on toast' type profligacy, while I see a generation that are a lot more tighter with their finances that the previous one (though this again is a product of siloisation as I know many older people went through extremely straightened times especially due to times or high unemployment of significant inflationary periods). She has given money to her kids, and I get the impression feels irritated that they haven't been able to achieve and do more.

 

Outwith the familial connection the liklihood of either one of us coming across people (certainly enough to have meaningful conversations) who are in either situation is pretty remote.

 

Perhaps I'm putting too much into this, but it would be applicable for a significant number of other older members of my family and I suspect on conversations with friends is somewhat representative of a broader trend.

 

 

[Rico1304]

11 minutes ago, Creator Supreme said:

Oh please do this Rico!

I did it yesterday.  I’m the fat grey bloke interviewed on St Ann’s Walk. 

[Rico1304]

6 minutes ago, Moctezuma said:

I realise this is highly anecdotal and very specific, but the following may be illustrative of the point being made above.

 

My aunt lives in a the village/suburb in the North West, votes conservative, reads traditional media (the mail), and is a home owner. She volunteers and is a number of local community arts groups, I get on well with her on an interpersonal basis regardless of any political disagreements which obviously generally avoided.

 

I live in London, virtually all of my friends in the millue down here (predictably/tediously) either vote for the Labour Party, Lib Dems and profess to holding very socially liberal views, I rent, get virtually all of my news from online sources, a decent chunk of my friends are mortgage holders, but that is due to family members giving them significant amounts of money for a deposit, of those from less well off backgrounds/colleges at work they virtually all rent or live with their parents.

 

My aunt gets visibly annoyed with the younger generation in our family (most of whom are now in their early 30's) because most of them haven't had children (of course a lot of older people want to have grand children as they bring great joy to their lives and it feels like a continuation of their legacy), which she sees as a active choice. On speaking with my sibilings and cousins it's fairly obvious most this relates to economics and housing (i.e. that these costs- whether getting together a deposit or keeping rental payments going- are prohibitive for people to settling down getting married and starting to have children). The newspaper she reads reinforces (siloisation) this view that it is considerable amount of this is due to 'avocado on toast' type profligacy, while I see a generation that are a lot more tighter with their finances that the previous one (though this again is a product of siloisation as I know many older people went through extremely straightened times especially due to times or high unemployment of significant inflationary periods). She has given money to her kids, and I get the impression feels irritated that they haven't been able to achieve and do more.

 

Outwith the familial connection the liklihood of either one of us coming across people (certainly enough to have meaningful conversations) who are in either situation is pretty remote.

 

Perhaps I'm putting too much into this, but it would be applicable for a significant number of other older members of my family and I suspect on conversations with friends is somewhat representative of a broader trend.

 

 

I find it weird that a lot of people I know on the left, and it’s evidenced on here, think that voting Labour makes them a better person than someone voting any other way.  That and the constant desire to ‘out Lefty’ one another.   It’s very funny to watch as evidence by the last couple of pages.  

[Arniepie]

9 minutes ago, Rico1304 said:

I find it weird that a lot of people I know on the left, and it’s evidenced on here, think that voting Labour makes them a better person than someone voting any other way.  That and the constant desire to ‘out Lefty’ one another.   It’s very funny to watch as evidence by the last couple of pages.  

It would be hilarious if it actually happened. 

Those long winter nights must just  fly bye.

[Rico1304]

3 minutes ago, Arniepie said:

It would be hilarious if it actually happened. 

Those long winter nights must just  fly bye.

Bye, see you soon.  
 

Have you been around here long? I can’t keep up.  But it’s something that’s been happening on here for fucking years.  We’ve had posters who wouldn’t drink with a Tory all whilst working for an investment bank and another who was supposedly the biggest communist the world has seen whilst working for the fucking Queen!  Then there’s the ‘hang them from the lamppost’ brigade.  

[Arniepie]

2 minutes ago, Rico1304 said:

Bye, see you soon.  
 

Have you been around here long? I can’t keep up.  But it’s something that’s been happening on here for fucking years.  We’ve had posters who wouldn’t drink with a Tory all whilst working for an investment bank and another who was supposedly the biggest communist the world has seen whilst working for the fucking Queen!  Then there’s the ‘hang them from the lamppost’ brigade.  

So it hasn't actually happened in the last few pages then?

Another one cleared up.

This Internet lark is easy