Roberto Firmino

[an tha]

She must be about a foot tall and have no legs if that is her twat.

 

Or I am too drunk to see it properly...

[VladimirIlyich]

A bit of a shithouse still,very skillful but still a shithouse. The only reason he plays so much is that Klopp doesn't want DIY laser eye surgery when sitting on the bench. Links well with Little Phil so maybe Barca will for a two fer' in the summer.

[Jennings]

 

Bottom right

 

Respect for having Code tattooed on his fingers.He must be a fan of Norwegian Pine and stats.

[The Golden Eel]

It seems pretty clear now that he's a good supporting player rather than someone who can change a game on his own. I don't care whether he stays or goes tbh

[lifetime fan]

He's a good player, not a great one.

 

If we sell him we'll be lucky to sign a replacement, if we do, he'll be younger, cheaper and not as good.

[Lee909]

Doesn't anywhere near enough.

9 league goals,only scored in 7 games. 3 goals since dec 27th. 5 of the 9 before 6 Nov.

 

Scored in 7 of 29 games in the league. His pressing is great but you need a good goalscorer too

 

 

Not worried about him leaving nobody is paying 40+ml for him

[Captain Turdseye]

He has missed loads of sitters though so if he can just improve his finishing those numbers would be looking a lot better.

 

He's one of our better players.

[an tha]

He's one of our better players who due to our lack of a squad has been asked to do a job that is one that isn't where he is at his best/most natural.

 

If he was played in his best/most natural position he would be much more effective.

[Lee909]

I agree with that

The issue is Klopp has not set us up in a 4-2-3-1 so he can play as a 10. Even if Klopp did would he play Firmino as the 9 and Coutinho as the 10 im not sure. Klopp seems happy with him as the 9. He has had time to buy one and hasn't,has not play Origi up there much either. Origi has the same amount of goals in all comps in close to hslf the games.

 

I know he has not looked as good this year but the kid needs time on the pitch to play into form and he is scoring goals

[stringvest]

I think he's overrated.  He's not useless, but he's not all that either.

[Joey8FrogsLegs]

Klopp is happy with him as a 9 and so is Brasil at the moment it seems.

 

That said I'm sure Klopp has realised that we need both more quality and more options in attack, so I expect competition to be harder for most places next season including striker.

[an tha]

I agree with that

The issue is Klopp has not set us up in a 4-2-3-1 so he can play as a 10. Even if Klopp did would he play Firmino as the 9 and Coutinho as the 10 im not sure. Klopp seems happy with him as the 9. He has had time to buy one and hasn't,has not play Origi up there much either. Origi has the same amount of goals in all comps in close to hslf the games.

 

I know he has not looked as good this year but the kid needs time on the pitch to play into form and he is scoring goals

Yeah Origi is clearly a better number 9, but not as good at this 'false 9' lark.

 

This is why for me it has been one of Klopp's blindspots this season shoehorning players into a formation when we have had injuries/missing players rather than changing formation to suit what he has.

 

I actually think he will finally change today because a front 3 of Firmino, Origi and Sturridge for example does not work IMO.

[lifetime fan]

I think he's overrated.  He's not useless, but he's not all that either.

 

 

You could say that about 90% of the squad.

 

Not too bad, just not good enough.

[Lee909]

It was fine having a Lewandowski at Dortmund. S striker that could run himself into tbe ground with the pressing but Lewandowski scored 30 goals a year

[lifetime fan]

I agree with that

The issue is Klopp has not set us up in a 4-2-3-1 so he can play as a 10. Even if Klopp did would he play Firmino as the 9 and Coutinho as the 10 im not sure. Klopp seems happy with him as the 9. He has had time to buy one and hasn't,has not play Origi up there much either. Origi has the same amount of goals in all comps in close to hslf the games.

 

I know he has not looked as good this year but the kid needs time on the pitch to play into form and he is scoring goals

 

Trouble is every time he did last season we were fucking shocking.

[an tha]

It was fine having a Lewandowski at Dortmund. S striker that could run himself into tbe ground with the pressing but Lewandowski scored 30 goals a year

So we need to find a striker who presses and runs his bollocks off and is prolific.....support him with Mane and one other and have decent back up for all 3.

 

Easy until the question -That'll cost how much?

[Bjornebye]

I think he's overrated. He's not useless, but he's not all that either.

This. The odd flash of brilliance and he does work hard most of the time but he is far from irreplaceable.

[Lee909]

Not saying we need Lewandowski levels but you surely expect a striker to be in the mid teens for scoring with the chances we create and the number of games we have.

 

Very few strikers can do what Suarez and Lewandowski do.

[an tha]

Not saying we need Lewandowski levels but you surely expect a striker to be in the mid teens for scoring with the chances we create and the number of games we have.

 

Very few strikers can do what Suarez and Lewandowski do.

I suppose it can be argued very easily that we score enough goals - the problem is the drop off when players are missing and the lack of obvious straight swaps...when Mane was missing one mans absence saw two players playing out of position at times.

[joe_fishfish]

Trouble is every time he did last season we were fucking shocking.

We looked alright in a 4231 in the Europa to be fair.

 

Thing about 4231 is you need at least one fullback who is class on the ball and we haven't had one of those since Fabio Aurelio was fit for those five minutes in 08/09.

 

You also need a good balance of defence and attack in the midfield two, although i think we're a bit closer to that with our current squad.

[lifetime fan]

We looked alright in a 4231 in the Europa to be fair.

 

Thing about 4231 is you need at least one fullback who is class on the ball and we haven't had one of those since Fabio Aurelio was fit for those five minutes in 08/09.

 

You also need a good balance of defence and attack in the midfield two, although i think we're a bit closer to that with our current squad.

 

 

We don't have a single DM, that's why 4231 doesn't work.

[Lee909]

Our goals have badly tailed off

 

If you break up the season into blocks of 10 games we scored 24 goals in each of the first two blocks and only 16 since in the 10 after. Without Mane you need your main striker to step up bug he hasn't as a goal scorer. He has missed a few sitters too.

 

Im not saying he isnt a good player but we dont line up with a number 10 and he doesn't score the goals to lead the line unless you have a pair of wingers getting 15 goals a piece.

 

Outside of Wijaldum and Lallana(who hasn't scored this calendar year) its not like the midfield chips in with many goals.

 

If your main striker is 10-12 goal a season man youll need another 25 from wide and at least one midfielder getting close to double figures.

[Lee909]

We don't have a single DM, that's why 4231 doesn't work.

We dont have any midfielders that could fit into a 4-2-3-1 imo.

 

Can is the closet but lacks a bit of pace.

Hendo is no Alonso or Mascherano

Lucas best days are long gone

Wijaldum and Lallana don't fit a 2 either

[lifetime fan]

We dont have any midfielders that could fit into a 4-2-3-1 imo.

 

Can is the closet but lacks a bit of pace.

Hendo is no Alonso or Mascherano

Lucas best days are long gone

Wijaldum and Lallana don't fit a 2 either

 

 

Yep.

[joe_fishfish]

I think Wijnaldum and the good version of Can could be alright as a two at home against the low block bus parking teams but there's no telling when the good version of Can is gonna turn up.