Kiev Kick Offs

[Section_31]

"Yarosh'? You made that up!

[General Dryness]

"Yarosh'? You made that up!

 

No, no, he's real. Direct superior to Jar Jar Binks and Mork from Ork.

[PestiRed]

Yarosh - sounds Hebrew, someone should tell him

[PestiRed]

Speaking of anti-Semite dickheads. Below is the strange tale of the former Jobbik Deputy, Csanad Szegedi. At one time one of the fiercest neo-Nazis in Hungary, until he found out he was actually Jewish.

 

 

 

A year ago he was still arguing that Hungary had to protect itself from the Jews. He was an anti-Semite of the most extreme kind and a senior official in his country's far-right Jobbik party. The fiery extremist, Csanad Szegedi, even appeared in the black uniform of the Hungarian Guard, the militia group that he founded, at an opening session of the European Parliament. And then, last year, he suddenly discovered he has Jewish roots.

 

"It will take me some time to digest this information," he said at first. "What is important is not [needing to] know who is a purebred Hungarian, but who protests like a Hungarian. From my standpoint, being Hungarian means demonstrating responsibility for the homeland," he explained.

 

But over the past year it turns out that this anti-Semitic fascist leader has become enamored with Judaism. In a report that appeared over the weekend in the German newspaper Welt am Sonntag, it was disclosed that Szegedi has decided to live as a practicing Jew. He observes Shabbat, attends synagogue, is studying Hebrew and is even trying to familiarize himself with the Talmud, the code of Jewish law. "He is attempting to observe the 613 commandments," the newspaper said, referring to the basic obligations of an Orthodox Jew. But Szegedi admitted that he was not always successful at this. "Kosher cuisine - without pork, salami and the other things that Hungarian cuisine is based upon. It will take me time to wean myself from them," the former right-wing leader acknowledged.

 

The transformation that Szegedi has undergone is just about as radical and wild as some of the views he expressed at the European Parliament. "This budget proposal reads like a document written by [israeli President] Shimon Peres," he once stated. "[it's] a budget that will make the Hungarians poorer and the rich Jews richer." And he accused what he called "the Jewish intelligentsia" of doing harm to the "holy throne" of St. Stephen, Hungary's first king, who is considered the founder of the Hungarian state and the spiritual authority for all the rulers who followed.

 

Szegedi's popularity began to put off his adversaries and political competitors, who began to look for dirt on the rising right-wing leader. Ultimately they found it. It turns out that his grandmother on his mother's side is a Jewish survivor of the Auschwitz concentration camp and his maternal grandfather was also Jewish and was interned in a labor camp. In fact, half of his family perished at Auschwitz.

 

In investigating further, Szegedi discovered that his grandfather had a previous wife and together they had two children. The wife and children all died at Auschwitz. After the war, the grandfather married Szegedi's grandmother, a Jewish survivor of Auschwitz. The couple were married in an ultra-Orthodox wedding ceremony but several years later distanced themselves from religion. His grandmother chose not to speak about her past, although when Szegedi's mother was 14, his grandfather disclosed the family's Jewish past to her. But he warned, however, her not to reveal it to anyone out of concern that there would be "another Auschwitz." The grandfather was said to be very pleased when Szegedi's mother married a non-Jew "as protection," he explained.

 

Now, however, the former fascist anti-Semite acknowledges his past failings. "I hurt other people. When I spoke disparagingly of Jews or Gypsies [or Roma, as they prefer to be called], I was also harming children who had never done anything wrong and may have talents that they could develop, but I blocked their path," he conceded. "You start hating until the hate becomes an aim unto itself…. At the beginning, it was 'the crimes of the Gypsies.' Then it was anti-Semitism, and then we also started hating Romanians and Slovaks, because they had persecuted the Hungarian minority [in their countries]. Ultimately you hate the whole world and most of [the world's] peoples because they have not met your standards."

 

The disclosure of his Jewish background distanced Szegedi from many of his friends. "All of a sudden, people who I thought were my friends stopped being friends," he recounted, and from his position as No. 2 in the Jobbik party, he became the party's No. 1 problem, Welt am Sonntag, the German newspaper, noted. Even his friends in the party did him no favors. "The best thing would be if we shoot you so you can be buried as pure Hungarian," one told him. Another suggested that he deliver a public apology. "And then," Szegedi said, "I thought, wait a minute, I am supposed to apologize for the fact that my family was killed at Auschwitz?"

 

He quit the Jobbik party and began searching for his roots. He spoke to his mother and grandmother. He had discussions with rabbis and developed a relationship with rabbis from the Chabad Hasidic outreach movement. He even made a visit to Jerusalem with them to the Yad Vashem Holocaust memorial museum and the Western Wall.

 

Nonetheless, in choosing to describe him, Welt am Sonntag gave the article about Szegedi the headline "Not entirely kosher."

[Section_31]

I do find it bizzare when Eastern Europeans fuck around with Swastikas, they do realise they're on the wrong side of that particular value system, no?

[PestiRed]

I do find it bizzare when Eastern Europeans fuck around with Swastikas, they do realise they're on the wrong side of that particular value system, no?

Not really, they were extremely enthusiastic, fully paid-up members of Adolf's new world order. Have a look at the Arrow Cross party that were in power in Hungary at the end of the war. Disappointed that the previous regime had not been anti-Semitic enough and worried that German trains couldn't ship Jews to Auschwitz quickly enough, they took to lining up Jews at the edge of the Danube and machine gunning them into the river. They managed 38,000 people in 3 months. With deportations, they managed to ensure that 1 in 3 people who died at Auschwitz was Hungarian.

 

The delightful chap mentioned previously founded the Hungarian Guard who were a paramilitary that dressed in thinly disguised Arrow Cross uniforms and marched around Hungary intimidating people and performing hate crimes against Jews and Roma. Eventually the government were able to outlaw them. However, when he became an MEP, Szegedi turned up to the European Parliament in his uniform. That's right, he went to the legislature in Brussels dressed in Nazi uniform. A true cunt, which is why no one has a great deal of sympathy for him when he turned out to have Jewish ancestry and his friends turned on him.

[stringvest]

That is an amazing story. I'm just worried in case it is discovered that my ancestors were Welsh.

[aws]

That is an amazing story. I'm just worried in case it is discovered that my ancestors were Welsh.

We'll keep a welcome in the hillsides.

[Red Phoenix]

Credit to the Guardian for at least allowing a different point of view again. What is still irritating though is that this didn't appear in the Ukraine section on the front page I don't think, they don't seem to like an alternative point of view arriving on the front page to contradict all the utter crap most of them have been going on about. (although they do, very rarely, actually do that too.)

 

By the way, if anyone has yesterday's Guardian paper and can check if this was included or not, thanks. I'd guess that if it was, it was placed right near the back. (like they do with what Monbiot writes.)

 

Anyway, extract (it's a fairly long article too.) :

 

 

When things turned nasty in Kiev as armed protesters, some of them with fascist insignia, seized control of government buildings, the police cracked down, and snipers gunned down police and protesters in the streets. But who exactly were these snipers? The Estonian foreign minister, Urmas Paet, not a natural ally of Moscow, thought it was at least credible that they belonged to the anti-government Maidan protesters. "Gosh!" said the EU's Lady Ashton in a leaked phone call.

 

For a moment, the frothing stopped and a truce was negotiated, with the help of Poland, Germany and France, and supported by the US, Russia and the Kiev protesters, all realising that things had gone too far. The agreement allowed for a return to the old constitution, and new elections. Order was restored. Phew!

 

But this compromise was quickly sabotaged by extreme elements among the protesters, including some sinister far-right elements who are now a de facto part of the government. They pre-empted the outcome of the elections by continuing the occupations and installing themselves in power. (But it's OK: it's not a coup, because they are pro-west.) The Russians were alarmed. What was the point of negotiating, if the agreements were not respected, the Russian interior minister demanded to know.

 

As if in answer, president Viktor Yanukovych resigned. Victory was declared. Hurray! Neither the EU nor the US stood up for the agreement they brokered. Yanukovych fled, with his ill-gotten wealth. Yulia Tymoshenko was released from jail, with her ill-gotten wealth (which is OK in her case, because she is pro-west).

 

Let us just pause to remember, before we gallop on to the next crisis, that Yanukovych, for all his grotesque self-enrichment, was democratically elected, as few of the new self-appointed government have been. We shouldn't feel too sorry for him, though. His allegedly pilfered billions will have already been safely stashed abroad, no doubt in some western-administered tax-haven, where they will be protected by our very own financial whizzes.

 

And so it goes on. Unfortunately, someone in the new Ukrainian government flexes his anti-Russian muscles, and the Russian language is stripped of its official status throughout Ukraine. Fortunately, someone else sees sense and the move is cancelled. But if you were a Russian speaker, wouldn't you be rattled? Wouldn't you look around for support? Sixty per cent of Crimea's population is Russian. Suddenly, Russian troops appear in Crimea. Is it an annexation or a rescue? It depends on your point of view. Is there any evidence that Russia was behind the Crimean move to secede from Ukraine, or was it a homegrown initiative, as in 1993? The Russian Black Sea fleet had been docked on territory controlled by anti-Russians. And rumour has it that Nato is sniffing around for a new place to park its ICBMs. (But that's OK, because Nato is on our side.)

 

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/mar/10/ukraine-and-west-hot-air-hypocrisy-crimea-russia

[Stu Monty]

There is no evidence from any reputable source that contradicts anything above.

 

And "useful idiots" as a phrase does not literally mean idiots. I would have thought that you, of all people, would be aware of its provenance.

 

It's funny how when it comes to religion we're on the same line of thought about the burden of proof but in this case you feel differently. I'm interested where the concrete evidence is that has brought you to this conclusion and also how you feel so easy about dismissing issues like Estonian MPs that are eye-witnesses having differing stories and also that not a single vote in the no column doesn't lead you to any conclusions about how free a vote was.  0 votes against? That's the sort of thing you'll be right into with two feet if it was someone mildly left of centre.

 

Still no comment about the government caring more about Russian cash than principles either?

 

In other "once you corrupt democracy the people have a right to remove the leaders by force" news: head of the committee trying to hold the CIA to account speaks on the floor denouncing them as unconstitutional, threatening those with oversight and spying on their systems/work.

 

Laughable double standards.

[Red Phoenix]

From RT :

 

"A woman walking by a poster calling people to vote in the upcoming referendum, in the Crimean port city of Sevastopol (Reuters / Baz Ratner)"

 

 

The parliament of the Autonomous Republic of Crimea has adopted an independence declaration from Ukraine which is necessary for holding a March 16 referendum.

 

“We, the members of the parliament of the Autonomous Republic of Crimea and the Sevastopol City Council, with regard to the charter of the United Nations and a whole range of other international documents and taking into consideration the confirmation of the status of Kosovo by the United Nations International Court of Justice on July, 22, 2010, which says that unilateral declaration of independence by a part of the country doesn’t violate any international norms, make this decision,” says the text of the declaration, which was published by the Crimean media.

 

The document was adopted during an extraordinary session of parliament.

 

78 of 100 members of the parliament voted in favor of the declaration.

 

The Crimean parliament’s vote to become an independent sovereign state paves the way for the March 16 referendum for the Crimean Autonomous Republic and the city of Sevastopol to join Russia.

http://rt.com/news/crimea-parliament-independence-ukraine-086/

[Red Phoenix]

Also :

 

 

 

US to violate own laws by financially aiding Ukraine’s coup-installed govt – Moscow
 

Washington’s decision to provide financial aid to the coup-appointed government of Ukraine goes against the US laws, Russia’s Foreign Ministry said, urging American politicians to think about the consequences of supporting the radicals in Kiev.

 

Ukraine’s ousted president, Viktor Yanukovich, said on Tuesday that the US plans to loan $1 billion to the country’s new authorities are illegal.

 

“Indeed, in accordance with the amendments introduced to the 1961 law (Foreign Assistance Act) a few years ago the provision of foreign assistance is prohibited to ‘the government of any country whose duly elected head of government is deposed by military coup or decree.’ The relevant provision is contained in 22 US Code § 8422,” the Russian Foreign Ministry said in a statement.

 

“Thus, by all criteria the provision of funds to the illegitimate [Kiev] regime, which seized power by force, is unlawful and goes beyond the boundaries of the US legal system,” the statement added.

 

However, the ministry said it realizes that the American side “would hardly recognize this obvious fact” due to the stance it has already taken in the Ukrainian crisis.

 

“The US administration will most probably continue to close its eyes on the dominance of the ultranationalist forces in Kiev, which have launched a hunt for dissidents across the country, increasing pressure on the Russian-speaking population and our compatriots, threatening the people in the Crimea with punishment for their desire for self-determination,” the ministry stressed.

 

...

 

US Code § 8422 saw the US Congress freezing financial aid to Egypt, following the 2013 military coup, which resulted in the ousting of president, Mohamed Morsi.

 

However, this January the senators authorized President Obama to send about $1 billion in aid to the Northern African state.

 

“There was a ferocious debate in the Obama administration and in the congress over whether it was to be technically labeled a coup,” Steinberg stressed. “And ironically under that debate Senator John McCain was one of the leading voices arguing for a total cut off of all the military aid to Egypt. So now he’s on the exactly opposite side of the same debate.”

 

According to the Executive Intelligence Review senior editor, Washington is using the law as a “political football.”

 

“It’s applied in instances where it suits the policies of the administration and certain hardline allies in congress. And it’s freely ignored when it’s inconvenient truce,” he said.

 

And, in the case of Ukraine, “nobody can dispute” that Yanukovich’s democratically elected government was “overthrown by military force, involving the most severe right wing neo-Nazi and Neo fascist elements,” Steinberg concluded.

 

 

http://rt.com/news/us-aid-ukraine-illegal-202/

[Red Phoenix]

One more extract, from Chris Hedges at truthdig :

 

 

Bulgakov, Mann and Roth understood that there is no real political ideology among decayed ruling elites. They knew that political debate and ideological constructs for these elites is absurdist theater, a species of entertainment for the masses. They warned that once societies enter terminal decay, in the end it is the blunt forces of censorship, relentless propaganda, coercion, fear and finally terror that keep a subdued population in check. Those who hold power in such systems are thieves who run a vast kleptocracy.

 

The rise of criminal elites is global. Vladimir Putin is a megalomaniac and a thug who is filling his personal coffers while he is the leader of Russia, and Barack Obama, who has more polish and sophistication, will fill his own pockets, as did the Clintons, with tens of millions of dollars as soon as he leaves office. The banks and corporations for which Obama works are as criminal and corrupt as the Central Bank of Russia, which calculates that perhaps two-thirds of the $56 billion that left Russia in 2012 might have been from money laundering, drug trafficking, tax fraud or kickbacks. The circular system of patronage and crime that exists worldwide varies from region to region only by degrees and style.

 

The Western political and financial elites, Putin knows, will not touch him. He and they are in the same decadent oligarchic class. They hold the same values. Europe depends on Russia for 40 percent of its natural gas, most of which passes through Ukraine. European bankers and corporations have no intention of jeopardizing that flow, or any current or potential trade deals. Corporate profit is the driving engine of foreign policy. Our elites do not care about human rights or civil liberties, not to mention the illegality of pre-emptive war, any more than Putin. Ask the people of Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Yemen or Somalia how much moral authority the United States has to denounce the violation of the territorial integrity of a sovereign state. Ask those in our black sites and offshore penal colonies how much moral authority we have to denounce arbitrary detention and torture. Ask the 1.3 million people who lost their extended unemployment benefits in December or those who saw food stamp cutbacks reduce their spending by $90 a month how much moral authority there is left in our corporate state.

 

Our elites have established the most efficient system of mass surveillance in history. They have abolished most of our civil liberties. They have trashed our economy for their own personal gain. They have looted state treasuries and thrown working men and women aside. Satan is again holding a great ball. You are not invited. I am not invited. Only the gangsters will be there. Putin will be an honored guest. So will Obama.

 

Welcome to Satan’s Ball

[Section_31]

Russia today though, makes Fox News look like the BBC. Russia really can't take the moral high ground here, sending Spetsnaz in with no insignia, surrounding ships and military bases but then moaning about the US lending the other side money is pretty laughable.

[Red Phoenix]

Russia today though, makes Fox News look like the BBC. Russia really can't take the moral high ground here, sending Spetsnaz in with no insignia, surrounding ships and military bases but then moaning about the US lending the other side money is pretty laughable.

 

I know RT can be bad, there's still plenty more facts by them on this by the looks of it than there is in western media though. And I think Russia are going through several things, the money lending is just one problem among many that we've seen highlighted lately. It might not seem like much, but it could cause some to bring the issue up in the corrupt US senate and in some US media, which might be needed.

[Jose Jones]

Russia today though, makes Fox News look like the BBC. Russia really can't take the moral high ground here, sending Spetsnaz in with no insignia, surrounding ships and military bases but then moaning about the US lending the other side money is pretty laughable.

 

Putin is just having a laugh throwing "international law" back in the faces of the US/UK etc.

Everyone knows what happened, bar a few incidental details, the US and the EU wanted Ukraine to lean their way so supported and encouraged protesters and the overthrow of the Yanukovich government.  The right wing loonies involved got a bit off their leash though - ah well never mind.  The IMF is just standing by waiting with the billions of dollars in "aid".  Some nice new democratic elections in a few months and the right people will be in power and this all will be forgotten.

 

As the only way to get a little bit of a win left, the Russians encouraged the Crimean breakaway, then sent in a few troops to reinforce the point.

West gets Ukraine (pop. 45 million) Russia gets Crimea (pop. 2 million).  The Ukrainian people and economy get further fucked over.  I make that a massive win for the good guys.

[Red Phoenix]

 

The general content and tenor of C4 news coverage of Russia and Ukraine were summed up in an email by Ed Murray. Ed is a Media Lens reader who regularly fires off emails to the leading lights of C4 News. They rarely, if ever, deign to respond to him. This one was sent to news presenter Cathy Newman (March 2, 2014):

 

'Ms Newman,

 

'In tonight's "Snowmail, concerning Obama's "order" that Putin should not intervene in the Ukraine, you say:

 

'"That the Russian president has directly flouted that order suggests to some that western divisions and paralysis over Syria have now emboldened Putin over Ukraine."

 

'The nonchalance with which you talk about the US giving out orders to other sovereign countries and the implied belligerence of Russia in flouting these orders reveals a lot about the attitude of our msm [mainstream media] hacks and the revelation is one of pro-Americanism and demonisation of "official enemies".

 

'Who'd have thunk it?

 

'If I may offer a a more accurate translation of your paragraph:

 

'"Putin isn't the lapdog of America and "some" like arms peddler Sir Malcolm Rifkind and James Jeffrey, deputy national security adviser to George Bush and close associate of war criminals Colin Powell and John Negroponte hate him even more because he stymied the US and Nato in their salivating desire to bomb the crap out of Syria."

 

'Time you started informing your viewers and stopped treating them with contempt as you foist upon them an endless line of hypocritical, deceptive, neocon warmongerers who should be in jail, not spreading their lies on Channel 4 News.

 

'Try asking yourself and your guests just what right has the USA, that constant flouter of international law, frequent fomentor of coups against democratically elected governments and instigator of the supreme war crime in Iraq the moral authority to tell anyone, let alone a sovereign country, what to do?

 

'Ed Murray.'

 

The ‘Professorial President’ And The ‘Small, Strutting Hard Man’

[A Red]

[Red Phoenix]

State news agency Interfax quoted the observer Enrique Ravello, a nationalist deputy in Spain's parliament, as saying he had seen an "unprecedented turnout", adding: "There's no coercion, pressure on people. The referendum is being held peacefully, freely and openly."

 

According to polling by German research group GfK, 70% of Crimeans who want to participate in the referendum plan to vote to join Russia, while only 11% plan to vote to remain part of Ukraine.

 

...

 

The Crimean referendum website was down on Sunday. Previously, organisers claimed the site had been subject to a DDoS hacker attack originating in the University of Illinois Urbana-Champagne in the US.

 

...

 

No major international organisations are monitoring the vote, but a group of observers from 23 countries – a mixture of anti-western ideologues and European far-right politicians – have arrived of their own accord and gave a press conference in Simferopol on Saturday evening.

 

Bela Kovacs, an MEP from the far-right Hungarian party Jobbik, said everything he had seen on Saturday conformed to international standards and he expected the vote to be free and fair.

 

Many of the observers railed against the west and said that by recognising Kosovo, the west had opened a Pandora's box and had to accept the result in Crimea.

 

"What is sauce for Kosovo's goose is certainly sauce for Crimea's gander," said Serbian-American writer Serge Trifkovic. When asked if observers had been paid to attend, he said that if he were looking for money he would have approached the CIA. The observers, he said, were "as poor as church mice".

 

Kovacs said there were no British observers at the referendum. The BNP's Nick Griffin "really wanted to come, but we persuaded him not to", he said.

 

The polls close at 8pm local time (6pm GMT), and the first results are expected two and a half hours later.

 

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/mar/16/ukraine-crisis-crimea-referendum

[Red Phoenix]

Russia and Ukraine have agreed a truce in Crimea until 21 March, Ukraine's acting defence minister has announced, in a move that appears to reduce tensions between Moscow and the western-backed government in Kiev.

 

Speaking on the sidelines of a cabinet meeting, Ukraine's acting defence minister, Ihor Tenyukh, said the deal has been struck with Russia's Black Sea fleet and the Russian defence ministry.

 

"No measures will be taken against our military facilities in Crimea during that time," he added. "Our military sites are therefore proceeding with a replenishment of reserves."

 

The agreement provides some respite for Ukraine's beleaguered troops, who have been trapped on their military bases and naval ships since Russian forces began occupying the peninsula on 27 February. Ukrainian soldiers have been encircled ever since, in some cases without electricity. Local residents have smuggled in food to them amid a nervous standoff with the Russian military.

 

But there seems little doubt that Ukrainian forces will be evicted from Kremlin-controlled Crimea once the truce expires on Friday. Crimea's deputy prime minister, Rustam Temirgaliyev, said on Sunday troops would be given safe passage out. He predicted that eastern Ukraine would be next to join Russia.

 

"Donetsk, Lugansk, Kharkiv have the same situation (as in Crimea). Seventy-five per cent of people want to join Russia in eastern Ukraine," he told journalists near the parliament building in Simferopol.

 

There was further turmoil in Donetsk when pro-Russian protesters stormed the prosecutor's office and removed the Ukrainian flag from the roof raising a Russian flag in its place. Riot police deployed to protect the building made little effort to stop the crowd, which later dispersed.

 

The government in Kiev has accused Moscow of deliberately stirring up tensions in the east by bussing in professional activists and provocateurs from across the border. In a series of ominous statements, Russia's foreign ministry has said it may be forced to act to "protect" ethnic Russians – an expression that appears to provide a rationale for future military incursions.

 

On Sunday, the Russian president, Vladimir Putin, said he was concerned about the escalation of tensions in the south and south-eastern regions of Ukraine, Reuters reported. He blamed the febrile mood on "radical forces" acting with the "connivance of the current Kiev authorities". The Kremlin refuses to recognise Kiev's temporary government that it says came to power on the back of a "fascist" coup.

 

Putin telephoned the German chancellor, Angela Merkel, on Sunday and told her the referendum in Crimea, condemned by the west, complied with international law. Putin and Merkel reportedly agreed that more observers from the Organisation for Security and Co-operation in Europe (OSCE) should be deployed in east Ukraine. Existing observers were refused entry to Crimea by pro-Russian checkpoint guards.

 

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/mar/16/ukraine-russia-truce-crimea-referendum

[Red Phoenix]

Not so easily on our watch, you fucking fascists.

[Fugitive]

Red Phoenix's life sounds shite. He just seems to be obsessed with shit he has no control over and is always deeply unhappy.

[Red Phoenix]

Red Phoenix's life sounds shite. He just seems to be obsessed with shit he has no control over and is always deeply unhappy.

 

It looks like we have a pro EU/US Fuge here.

 

Seriously, people got to vote for their own freedom from fascists. I've been reading up on WWI and WWII lately, (battle of Stalingrad especially.) fuck going back to that. Maybe your life is shite and you just can't accept that things have turned out for the better here? I have no problems with you personally, from what I know you're one of the decent people on this site. (and I'll be especially happy simply because of the ***ball that just took place alone.)

 

Do you realize what type of nutcases we're dealing with here? This shit could turn into WWIII, I'm actually very happy for the time being. Fascist western govcorp puppets didn't win this round, I'll make damn fucking sure I'm happy for the time being, not unhappy.

 

edit : you great big douchebag. If I ever see you in real life.....you'd better not speak nasty to me. *puffs chest*

[Fugitive]

It looks like we have a pro EU/US Fuge here.

 

Seriously, people got to vote for their own freedom from fascists. I've been reading up on WWI and WWII lately, fuck going back to that. Maybe your life is shite and you just can't accept that things have turned out for the better here? I have no problems with you personally, from what I know you're one of the decent people on this site. (and I'll be especially happy simply because of the ***ball that just took place alone.)

 

Do you realize what type of nutcases we're dealing with here? This shit could turn into WWIII, I'm actually very happy for the time being. Fascist western govcorp puppets didn't win this round, I'll make damn fucking sure I'm happy for the time being, not unhappy.

I'm in the 'don't give a fuck either way' camp but you seem obsessed with this and anything to do with governments and idea that you are constantly being fucked over or lied to.

[Red Phoenix]

I'm in the 'don't give a fuck either way' camp but you seem obsessed with this and anything to do with governments and idea that you are constantly being fucked over or lied to.

 

Yeah, I'll freely admit I am partly obsessed, purely because I'm sick of the cunts. Hopefully things will be more chilled from here on out. I just care about the state of the world, because it's fucked, basically, and it does affect me, admitted.

 

Maybe I should take a leaf out of your book and give less of a fuck. Anyway, nothing personal intended.

 

And fuck the GF rules on this occasion, 3-0 makes me very happy. (it's not often we pull this off after all.)

 

*awaits negs*