Cunt frustration

[Kevin D]

The list of things that have pissed me off this year are well understood on this forum, but worth explaining one more time. 

 

We have been fucked over by VAR, good and proper. Any objective assessment of the decisions and the video evidence would show that out of 10, we routinely get 8 against us, despite having anything between 60-75% of the possession, every match.

 

The injury crisis. We have our fair share of sick notes, but to have our Iron man out for the entire season after being attacked was the height of misfortune. Everything was based on him staying fit, as he had the last two years.

 

FSG. We'll put the ESL fiasco to one side, but the decision not to invest from a position of strength has come to fruition. It is not hindsight. One can look in the FSG and Transfer thread and see a huge majority explaining what would happen if we didn't utilise our advantage. That bill came due and it came through graphically in January when the team had somehow held the line to the top of the table, hoping for any son of a bitch that would keep Fabinho in midfield, only to have a rookie CB(who has done his best) and a championship player(who Klopp trusts as much as I trust Dave U) brought in.

 

The cataclysmic decline in world class forwards. For the last three years, maybe, four; Mane, Salah, and Firmino have the carried the brass ring in their back pocket. I was at Hotel Anfield in July and Steve McMahon told me that Mane would be in his Liverpool all time XI and the only reason he wasn't willing to put Salah in, was that he(rightly) worshipped at the alter of John Barnes. Having said that, it has gone tits up. Salah has excelled in goals, beaten Owen and Fowler and Torres to score 20 league goals in three different league seasons. A hell of an achievement. The other two, whether it is long covid or an execrable decline, just have not delivered.

 

With these things said, as frustrated as I am, I do think you give these guys latitude. Who isn't trying? Is Klopp not leaving 100%? Is Roberton phoning it in? Is Mane making googly eyes at PSG? No, these world class players are still leaving it all on the line and after Kiev, Madrid, the world club cup, and the league title they've had a natural dip. It happened to Paisley, it happened to Brazil, it happened to the Chicago Bulls, it happened to the Patriots - at this level, sometimes it just happens.

 

Being fucked off is absolutely correct. We need to be better. We need to get back that level of unassailable professionalism.

 

Nailing my colours to the mast and saying this a blip. This is 90% of the first XI that will win the title next year and the Champions League beyond that. 

 

They know they've fucked up, afford them the respect to clean it up.

[3 Stacks]

Personally, and I love these guys, but I'm pretty bored of watching Mane, Gini, Firmino to a certain extent and a couple more. The hard part is that the depth we have for the most part aren't worthy of replacing these players so it might also be impossible to replace some starting 11 players because we'd have little continuity or proven replacements already at the club. 

 

To be honest, there's as good an argument for getting rid of a bunch of the squad as there is for keeping them. I don't envy the people who will have to make that decision. 

[Kevin D]

2 minutes ago, 3 Stacks said:

Personally, and I love these guys, but I'm pretty bored of watching Mane, Gini, Firmino to a certain extent and a couple more. The hard part is that the depth we have for the most part aren't worthy of replacing these players so it might also be impossible to replace some starting 11 players because we'd have little continuity or proven replacements already at the club. 

 

To be honest, there's as good an argument for getting rid of a bunch of the squad as there is for keeping them. I don't envy the people who will have to make that decision. 

 

Trying to figure out whether it is the natural end of a team, or if the pandemic has been decisive is a hell of a fucking call.

 

At least 6 of these guys would legitimately be considered top 3-5 in their position when they're firing - some of them are Liverpool top XI. You don't want to be fighting them off too early, because it can get fucking heated.

 

At the same time, that is why Keegan became Kenny and Rush became Barnes, Alridge, Beasley and goddamn Souness into Gerrard to Henderson and Fowler to Owen to Torres, to Suarez.

 

*With fucking Fowler how 80% of those forum came of age wanking themselves silly over him, but 99.98% fell in love with Torres and now we're all dead standoffish, 'cause we've been took and hurt before.

[Lee909]

It's okay saying we should start replacing the front three and im not against maybe starting to do that. The issue is who will pay a fee we deem worthy for any of them on the back of this season. Or who has the money to actually do it. 

 

Bayern - Won't pay the fees we want

 

PSG - Yes, but already have Mbappe and Neymar and to keep both, assuming they can with Mbappe will cost a fucking fortune in wages. 

 

Real and Barca- doesn't look like they have a pot to piss in between them. 

Unless we had interest in the likes of Vinícius Júnior, Isco,Assensio,Rodrygo and could do some sort of player and cash deal it's unlikely. 

 

City and Chelsea the only other clubs and we arn't selling to them. 

 

 

The market will be depressed for big players. 

 

I would say if we get the offer from somewhere then maybe letting one go makes sense, especially with the bastard African Cup of Nations scheduled for the start of January next year, this also needs remembered when we look at players. Ive seen Patson Daka linked but he will be fucking off for that shit to. We should be looking at bringing one forward in whatever happens and we seem to be starting to get linked heavily to Donyell Malen at the moment which fits the profile. If we sell one of the front three then another needs brought in. 

 

I said on a post in the MF i don't think its a revolution of the squad thats needed as with players back,fans back and a mental rest for many this sumer i think we will be back in the top three minimum assuming we add to the squad and don't suffer the same injuries again. 

 

 

I don't want to just blame VAR and the injuries as we should have been easily good enough with them issues. I mean we 'could' still do it and even with the shit run had we picked up the extra points this week we would be favourites for possibly 3rd spot. 

 

The back 4 has looked as it did without VVD a few years back, unsure of itself. 

And the forwards have been shocking. 

 

Honestly for me more than the injuries its been a mental issue. I think the three previous years of Champions League final.2nd/CL win and then finally the premier league last year took its toll on the players mentally and without the fans its been easier to not be fully there. 

 

 

FSG need to back Klopp this summer. He should be saying them we X, then fuck off on holiday for a month and Edwards can get the deals done. let him come back refreshed and ready to go

 

 

 

This is just a C&P from my MF post

 

Sell the fringe players, add a proper budget and we will be there or there abouts. Virg, Hendo will be massive returns, the fans the same. And a mentally fresh squad and Klopp. 

 

We need home grown players

 

Kelleher

Gomez

Alexander-Arnold

Henderson

Milner

Jones

 

So we need another two. 

 

I would get a older 3rd choice home grown keeper. Someone on the wrong side of 35,happy to be around the squad and just a safe unspectacular pair of hands than can help coach the youngsters coming through. 

 

Full on FM type stuff maybe

 

Tom Heaton(could send Keheller out on loan) 

John Ruddy

 

The Greek lad has been non existent this year. Ryan Bertrand is on a free and could do the job of cover and fill the last home grown player role. 

 

With Sheff Utd going down that George Baldock could do a similar role backing up Trent. He look good last year. And again like Redmond would only be called on for cover as both Trent and Robbo are more likely to play than not. 

 

Or you can look at bosman like 

Elseid Hysaj and Emerson Royal for the RB cover. 

I know the likes of Baldock and 

 

 

Depay is on a free and would offer something up top. 

 

Hearing people talk of Patson Daka buts he's another off to ACON in January. Also linked to the young Dutch lad Donyell Malen. 

 

 

I think its more evolution than revolution needed. Though the squad age needs reduced. 

 

For me out 

Miamino 15ml

Tsimikas 8ml

Shaqiri  10ml

Wilson 10ml

Origi 8ml

Kieta 25ml

Ox 20ml

Matip 15ml

Adrian 0

R. Williams 0

Phillips 2ml

Davies 2ml

Gini 0

 

Trying to be realistic with the fees and thats over 100ml there

Even without Kieta and Ox who may be kept youv'e got Konate and Kabak paid for. So no excuse for FSG not to add one or two to that. 

 

I know the likes of Baldock and Bertrand wouldn't be exciting but that's two experienced epl defenders who could fill in for the fullbacks. Similar with the keeper and Depay would just make sense on a free if any deal with Barcelona falls through. 

 

Just a idea, but top 4 is a must next season or its a long decline

[J-V]

People need to stop including Firmino with the decline of Mane.  Firmino has been going backwards for the best part of three years. Its taken as usual all that time for people on here to actually see what’s clearly been in front of them. 
 

We've not looked that good since the Jan before covid. I think those who think having a crowd in the Stadium will turn this around are in for a shock.

 

FSG also have the perfect excuse (not that they need one) to not spend a penny.  

[Harry Squatter]

3 hours ago, Kevin D said:

The list of things that have pissed me off this year are well understood on this forum, but worth explaining one more time. 

 

We have been fucked over by VAR, good and proper. Any objective assessment of the decisions and the video evidence would show that out of 10, we routinely get 8 against us, despite having anything between 60-75% of the possession, every match.

 

The injury crisis. We have our fair share of sick notes, but to have our Iron man out for the entire season after being attacked was the height of misfortune. Everything was based on him staying fit, as he had the last two years.

 

FSG. We'll put the ESL fiasco to one side, but the decision not to invest from a position of strength has come to fruition. It is not hindsight. One can look in the FSG and Transfer thread and see a huge majority explaining what would happen if we didn't utilise our advantage. That bill came due and it came through graphically in January when the team had somehow held the line to the top of the table, hoping for any son of a bitch that would keep Fabinho in midfield, only to have a rookie CB(who has done his best) and a championship player(who Klopp trusts as much as I trust Dave U) brought in.

 

The cataclysmic decline in world class forwards. For the last three years, maybe, four; Mane, Salah, and Firmino have the carried the brass ring in their back pocket. I was at Hotel Anfield in July and Steve McMahon told me that Mane would be in his Liverpool all time XI and the only reason he wasn't willing to put Salah in, was that he(rightly) worshipped at the alter of John Barnes. Having said that, it has gone tits up. Salah has excelled in goals, beaten Owen and Fowler and Torres to score 20 league goals in three different league seasons. A hell of an achievement. The other two, whether it is long covid or an execrable decline, just have not delivered.

 

With these things said, as frustrated as I am, I do think you give these guys latitude. Who isn't trying? Is Klopp not leaving 100%? Is Roberton phoning it in? Is Mane making googly eyes at PSG? No, these world class players are still leaving it all on the line and after Kiev, Madrid, the world club cup, and the league title they've had a natural dip. It happened to Paisley, it happened to Brazil, it happened to the Chicago Bulls, it happened to the Patriots - at this level, sometimes it just happens.

 

Being fucked off is absolutely correct. We need to be better. We need to get back that level of unassailable professionalism.

 

Nailing my colours to the mast and saying this a blip. This is 90% of the first XI that will win the title next year and the Champions League beyond that. 

 

They know they've fucked up, afford them the respect to clean it up.

That just about sums you up. Call yourself a Socialist?

[Kevin D]

22 minutes ago, Doctor Troy said:

That just about sums you up. Call yourself a Socialist?

 

Blow me fuckface. Go to hell. I'm sick of you.

[Anubis]

I think Mane is confidence. But I think Firmino has now reached the point where we have to replace him.

[Kevin D]

9 minutes ago, Anubis said:

I think Mane is confidence. But I think Firmino has now reached the point where we have to replace him.

 

Hell of a fucking call, though?

 

The match winner of the winner of the world club cup, and, at his best, a player who makes the team sing.

 

I can see why Klopp is keeping the faith.

[Anubis]

I think his drop off has been more than the others. He was a specialist player in a specialist role but he’s not doing it anymore. There is the odd glimpse of what he once was but it’s so sporadic that it only happens about once every seven or eight games. And he loses the ball too often when he drops deeper. I love Bobby, but I just think he’s come to the end of his natural top end playing cycle.

[Kevin D]

He's still a fairly young boy though, Paul? 

 

He's what 29? Picked two great through balls out yesterday and I think if he had enough time on the bench to rotate with a fully fit Jota, he'd come back to that great level.

 

Now, having said that, that is why Klopp gets paid 7m a year. To figure out if an outstanding servant needs to be eased out, or still has more to give.

 

We've 4/5 players who it could go either way on.

[Jairzinho]

Klopp won't sell Firmino. He should, but he won't. He'll stay, as will Mane. Salah will go.

[Kevin D]

2 minutes ago, Jairzinho said:

Klopp won't sell Firmino. He should, but he won't. He'll stay, as will Mane. Salah will go.

 

What do you reckon?

 

Is Firmino out of gas? What about Mane? If there was a big offer, like 120m from PSG, would you talk about Salah?

[Lee909]

Not sure there is a market for Bobby. Who will pay a worthwhile fee and nobody will pay the wages. 

 

We need another striker to carry some of the burden. 

 

Be interesting if we stick with 433. I do wonder about a switch to a 4231 with Bobby as the 10,might fit Jones aswell

[Aventus]

I'm happy to give Mané another year before I decide if he's finished, he's been one of our best players for the last few years that doesn't disappear overnight, so he's got enough goodwill in the bank to get another chance. 

 

Firmino needs a change, either a new role or his minutes managed, he isn't the same player anymore which is really sad to see because he used to make magic happen around the box. I'm hoping he's just played too much and Jota returning will enable him to get some rest.

 

Hendo being missing is a giant disadvantage, not just because of his ability on the ball and his work rate, but because he's the captain, he's like having a fan on the pitch constantly talking and getting the lads amped up to give that bit extra. We see a bit of it with Milner which is great but he can't play every game, and we see absolutely none of it when Gini is captain, he had a decent game vs Madrid at home but other than that I can't remember the last time he had a decent game, or even shouted at the players around him, he's a passenger. 

 

Klopp needs to take a bit of blame too, I love him but his stubbornness is showing through a bit right now, sticking with out of form players, subbing decent players off, persisting with Bobby up front, fab in defence, and Gini in midfield. Making some strange decisions when there's more logical and easier choices staring him right in the face. 

[Section_31]

5 hours ago, Kevin D said:

The list of things that have pissed me off this year are well understood on this forum, but worth explaining one more time. 

 

We have been fucked over by VAR, good and proper. Any objective assessment of the decisions and the video evidence would show that out of 10, we routinely get 8 against us, despite having anything between 60-75% of the possession, every match.

 

The injury crisis. We have our fair share of sick notes, but to have our Iron man out for the entire season after being attacked was the height of misfortune. Everything was based on him staying fit, as he had the last two years.

 

FSG. We'll put the ESL fiasco to one side, but the decision not to invest from a position of strength has come to fruition. It is not hindsight. One can look in the FSG and Transfer thread and see a huge majority explaining what would happen if we didn't utilise our advantage. That bill came due and it came through graphically in January when the team had somehow held the line to the top of the table, hoping for any son of a bitch that would keep Fabinho in midfield, only to have a rookie CB(who has done his best) and a championship player(who Klopp trusts as much as I trust Dave U) brought in.

 

The cataclysmic decline in world class forwards. For the last three years, maybe, four; Mane, Salah, and Firmino have the carried the brass ring in their back pocket. I was at Hotel Anfield in July and Steve McMahon told me that Mane would be in his Liverpool all time XI and the only reason he wasn't willing to put Salah in, was that he(rightly) worshipped at the alter of John Barnes. Having said that, it has gone tits up. Salah has excelled in goals, beaten Owen and Fowler and Torres to score 20 league goals in three different league seasons. A hell of an achievement. The other two, whether it is long covid or an execrable decline, just have not delivered.

 

With these things said, as frustrated as I am, I do think you give these guys latitude. Who isn't trying? Is Klopp not leaving 100%? Is Roberton phoning it in? Is Mane making googly eyes at PSG? No, these world class players are still leaving it all on the line and after Kiev, Madrid, the world club cup, and the league title they've had a natural dip. It happened to Paisley, it happened to Brazil, it happened to the Chicago Bulls, it happened to the Patriots - at this level, sometimes it just happens.

 

Being fucked off is absolutely correct. We need to be better. We need to get back that level of unassailable professionalism.

 

Nailing my colours to the mast and saying this a blip. This is 90% of the first XI that will win the title next year and the Champions League beyond that. 

 

They know they've fucked up, afford them the respect to clean it up.

 

Go take a Midol.

[RedPaul]

Mane has been brilliant up until the past few months where his form has dropped off a cliff. But he's not the only one to have played poorly in this team recently or had massive drops in form, and given what a great player he has been and is, plus the effort he exerts on the pitch, he's one I'd keep for the time being. It's a team game and we shouldn't be scapegoating certain players cos they might not be our favourites (not suggesting you're doing that here btw!). Firmino is a tough one for me. On his day he makes the team click to perfection. His form, however, has also fallen off a cliff for much of the season. Sometimes however we see some amazing touches and play, other times he's passing it to the opposition with what should be an easy pass. He's not as energetic as he was. And this leads me to my main point, I think the team are physically and mentally exhausted, not just through their exertions for the past 2-3 years and amazing achievements, but no doubt are missing the crowds more than any other team. Our style relies on the relentless energy, intensity, quick play, which I would think is best when the adrenaline is flowing through the veins. The crowd helps to inject that into the players and I believe we have been most affected by the dead empty soulless stadiums and football we are seeing as a result of the pandemic, and I can imagine it's hard to reach those energy heights when it feels more like a training game. That's not to excuse the players in any way, they have performed well below par, and the lack of concentration in key moments is the most frustrating part of it for me, both in defence and in the final third. It's not helped by the fact that outside of the first 11, which on its day is arguably the best in the world (or was), we have players who are either regularly injured, not trusted enough by the manager, or just nowhere near the same level.

 

This season has been a complete clusterfuck for so many reasons, but the rot set in a bit earlier than that. I agree with what you've written. Getting continuously shafted by VAR on very marginal decisions, starting with the Henderson goal vs Everton, will eventually get to the players. VAR has sucked the joy out of football, especially when offside decisions are using arms FFS. Then, losing crucial first 11 players to long term injury, most sides would struggle with that, and we struggle more because the drop off is too much to their replacements. When you think about the players we've had out for extended periods, a drop off in form was inevitable, espeically when the manager has tried to fix it playing other players in those positions that are not natural to them to cover for it. COVID has affected all teams, but I do feel we miss the fans the most, shown by the ridiculous recent run of results at Anfield. So all of that, plus tired players mentally and physically from their efforts over the past 2-3 years. I just think they all need a proper break, including the manager who needs time to reflect on the team (who stays, who goes and what to change about our tactics), and the fans back ASAP. It's really unhelfpul having international footie this summer. And then the AFCON next winter. This is why we need a few more players at or near the level of what the first team is capable of. I'm not convinced FSG will fork out for them though, we will see. I am positive though that if this team gets a rest and with players coming back, if they can stay fit next season, we will be up there again.

[Bjornebye]

Thought this was a Cheryl Tweedy thread 

[Kevin D]

4 minutes ago, Section_31 said:

 

Go take a Midol.

 

I kind of fancy Mikey's misses .

 

Shes not conventionally attractive, but strangely attractive.

 

There's something about her.

 

Am I crazy?

[Section_31]

4 minutes ago, Kevin D said:

 

I kind of fancy Mikey's misses .

 

Shes not conventionally attractive, but strangely attractive.

 

There's something about her.

 

Am I crazy?

Nah it's a good shout, she's frustrated more than anything, some tlc and she'd be putty in your hands. 

[Kevin D]

3 minutes ago, Bjornebye said:

Thought this was a Cheryl Tweedy thread 

 

That is my hope.

 

In a job interview, the guy asks about reading something then immediately responding to it:

 

You, naturally, reply well the title of thread was "cunt frustration" and I...

[Kevin D]

5 minutes ago, Section_31 said:

Nah it's a good shout, she's frustrated more than anything, some tlc and she'd be putty in your hands. 

 

I think it's a house call you make, but don't tell your friends about.

 

Her hair works in her favour, I reckon.

[Jairzinho]

1 hour ago, Kevin D said:

 

What do you reckon?

 

Is Firmino out of gas? What about Mane? If there was a big offer, like 120m from PSG, would you talk about Salah?

I've no idea about Firmino. Unlike Mane and Salah he doesn't really need/rely on explosive pace so any decline in him should be gradual. He should be able to do most of what he did when he is 32/33/34.

 

But he's been terrible for ages. We're not helped by Klopp's refusal to change the system in any meaningful way. He plugs on with the same woefully out of form, confidence shot, and fucking knackered players playing in exactly the same system. We've become incredibly predictable and very easy to defend against. 

 

With Mane I refuse to believe he's gone from one of the best players on the planet to someone who doesn't look like he'd warrant a starting role for any of the sides in the bottom three. Or rather, I refuse to believe that it's "natural decline". His ability isn't just going to fall off a cliff. Anyway, every single aspect of his game is worse. Physically, technically, tactically, all of it. I think he is the most fucked physically of the front three as he basically hasn't had a break for about three years and it is affecting his confidence. He doesn't believe he can go past players and he doesn't believe he will finish chances.

 

A lot of this shit is on the owners. Klopp has allowed them to be cunts, basically. His overachieving and managing of the squad to keep it competing with clubs with much greater resources allowed them to not spend. It had a shelf life, and we're seeing the results now. More dramatic than it should have been if we'd planned for it properly. If Klopp had been backed properly. 

 

With Salah I think it's largely out of our hands now. We're not getting Champions League football and Salah, especially at his age, isn't going to hang around. So we're essentially reliant on the current situation dictating that no-one thinks he's worth signing for 100m. Personally, I think he'll go PSG to replace Mbappe who will be going to Real Madrid. With that in mind, I can't see Klopp even considering getting rid of Firmino. So we're going to have to hope that him and Mane can regain the form of previous seasons.

 

I have two main hopes for the summer. One, Klopp is ruthless. All of the sick notes are fucked off. That includes Matip, a fabulous footballer but his injury record is absurd. We need some continuity at the back. I hope all the fringe shit is binned. Not loaned out, not kept in the squad, just binned. Keita and AOC are not going to come good. They're shit and usually injured. Throw them away.

 

And, two, Klopp shakes things up tactically next season. Play two up front some games. And sign a striker. A proper one that scores loads of goals, I refuse to believe that Firmino is the only reason we ever create any chances. I see players like Isak, Moreno, Mir (on loan from Wolves) in Spain and Zapata, Berardi and Vlahovic in Spain and think these would score 35 a season for us. 

 

 

[Kevin D]

6 minutes ago, Section_31 said:

Nah it's a good shout, she's frustrated more than anything, some tlc and she'd be putty in your hands. 

 

By the way:

 

Brendan was an idiot, but he knew he was an idiot. I think he should have a second season.

[Kevin D]

3 minutes ago, Jairzinho said:

I've no idea about Firmino. Unlike Mane and Salah he doesn't really need/rely on explosive pace so any decline in him should be gradual. He should be able to do most of what he did when he is 32/33/34.

 

But he's been terrible for ages. We're not helped by Klopp's refusal to change the system in any meaningful way. He plugs on with the same woefully out of form, confidence shot, and fucking knackered players playing in exactly the same system. We've become incredibly predictable and very easy to defend against. 

 

With Mane I refuse to believe he's gone from one of the best players on the planet to someone who doesn't look like he'd warrant a starting role for any of the sides in the bottom three. Or rather, I refuse to believe that it's "natural decline". His ability isn't just going to fall off a cliff. Anyway, every single aspect of his game is worse. Physically, technically, tactically, all of it. I think he is the most fucked physically of the front three as he basically hasn't had a break for about three years. 

 

A lot of this shit is on the owners. Klopp has allowed them to be cunts, basically. His overachieving and managing of the squad to keep it competing with clubs with much greater resources allowed them to not spend. It had a shelf life, and we're seeing the results now. More dramatic than it should have been if we'd planned for it properly. If Klopp had been backed properly. 

 

With Salah I think it's largely out of our hands now. We're not getting Champions League football and Salah, especially at his age, isn't going to hang around. So we're essentially reliant on the current situation dictating that no-one thinks he's worth signing for 100m. Personally, I think he'll go PSG to replace Mbappe who will be going to Real Madrid. With that in mind, I can't see Klopp even considering getting rid of Firmino. So we're going to have to hope that him and Mane can regain the form of previous seasons.

 

I have two main hopes for the summer. One, Klopp is ruthless. All of the sick notes are fucked off. That includes Matip, a fabulous footballer but his injury record is absurd. We need some continuity at the back. Also, I hope all the fringe shit is binned. Not loaned out, not kept in the squad, just binned. 

 

And, two, Klopp shakes things up tactically next season. Play two up front some games. And sign a striker. A proper one that scores loads of goals, I refuse to believe that Firmino is the only reason we ever create any chances. I see players like Isak, Moreno, Mir (on loan from Wolves) in Spain and Zapata, Berardi and Vlahovic in Spain and think these would score 35 a season for us. 

 

 

 

 

Personally, I just think Firmino needs eased out of the side for 2-3 months.

 

Ran his bollocks off for so long and when he sees Klopp warming up to Jota, it will light a fire.

 

Mane is bloody great. Great player. We're in the same boat. He needs time off, after long covid. I've seen him have bad games. Fuck. Anybody can have a half a bad season. I've never seen him hide, or not want it until this year. I've seen him have 90 touches and give it away 89 touches and still keep trying to get on the ball. This year has been so weird.

 

In a match thread - of course, the best threads on the forum - someone described Mo' as having the most frustrating 30 goal season ever and I had to take my hat off to that. What a perfect description.