Should Corbyn remain as Labour leader?

[Strontium]

Do those in favour of Corbyn in this thread genuinely believe he will win the next election?

 

I think they believe that winning is nowhere near as important as "standing for" certain things.

[Plev]

I think they believe that winning is nowhere near as important as "standing for" certain things.

You mean like tuition fees?

[Strontium]

That's right, Labour introduced tuition fees after promising not to, and still won the next election.

[VladimirIlyich]

Do those in favour of Corbyn in this thread genuinely believe he will win the next election?

I don't discount it judging by recent surprise results,Brexit and Trump,but I would love to see somebody like him but younger step up. I wont accept another watered down Tory leader of the Labour Party ever again.

[dennis tooth]

I think he can win as do many others.

Lately I must admit my faith is wavering a little in him but then you look at the other parties on offer.

I'd sooner skip all this shit and be able to just vote directly on the law as I see got but I've not found a single person who agreed.

Seems everyone would rather sit below quite the worst bunch of waxdroids Ive ever clapped my eyes upon. They're a bloody shambles.

[Strontium]

I think he can win as do many others.

 

Then you're deluding yourself.

 

He'll do well to beat Michael Foot's 27.6% in 1983.

[magicrat]

I don't think Corbyn can win now.  I did believe as we moved through the Brexit process and the economy turns sour there would be opportunity but quite honestly now I cant see a realistic scenario where he would be elected , He hasn't engaged in much of the post referendum debate and even a massive debacle would see the Tories blaming remainers and the Europeans.  

[AngryOfTuebrook]

I think they believe that winning is nowhere near as important as "standing for" certain things.

You are wrong.

 

Again.

[Naz17]

I don't discount it judging by recent surprise results,Brexit and Trump,but I would love to see somebody like him but younger step up. I wont accept another watered down Tory leader of the Labour Party ever again.

So would you rather a Tory leader or a watered down Tory leader as PM?

[AngryOfTuebrook]

Do those in favour of Corbyn in this thread genuinely believe he will win the next election?

The more pertinent question is "Who in the Labour Party would have a better chance of winning? "

 

All we've seen from the "anyone but Corbyn" crowd is less-electable versions of the people and policies that lost the last two General Elections.

 

(Speaking of the ABCs, there's an irony to the Dog's claim that it's Corbyn supporters who don't care about winning.)

[Naz17]

The more pertinent question is "Who in the Labour Party would have a better chance of winning? "

 

All we've seen from the "anyone but Corbyn" crowd is less-electable versions of the people and policies that lost the last two General Elections.

 

(Speaking of the ABCs, there's an irony to the Dog's claim that it's Corbyn supporters who don't care about winning.)

There must be someone Shirley.

[Strontium]

You are wrong.

 

Again.

 

Don't you have to be wrong a first time to be wrong again?

 

Anyway, I can find you the posts on here that show people saying just that, if you really insist, although it could take a while.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

Do those in favour of Corbyn in this thread genuinely believe he will win the next election?

 

 

I think they believe that winning is nowhere near as important as "standing for" certain things.

 

 

Don't you have to be wrong a first time to be wrong again?

 

Anyway, I can find you the posts on here that show people saying just that, if you really insist, although it could take a while.

Go on, then.  Knock yourself out.  But before you go searching, bear in mind that what you posted implies that all Corbyn supporters on here - not the one or two of them you may be able to quote or misrepresent - believe that shit. 

 

Good luck finding the posts to back that up.

[dennis tooth]

I think they believe that winning is nowhere near as important as "standing for" certain things.

 

Says the lib dem supporter.

[VladimirIlyich]

So would you rather a Tory leader or a watered down Tory leader as PM?

Whats the difference?

[cloggypop]

I think they believe that winning is nowhere near as important as "standing for" certain things.

 

Says the lib dem supporter.

To be fair to the lib dems, they were more than willing to drop principles when offered the chance to be the Richard Hammond to the Tories Jeremy Clarkson.

[Naz17]

Whats the difference?

You're not that slow come on.

[VladimirIlyich]

You're not that slow come on.

You mean the same policies but set at a slower pace? Boy,we are setting the bar low aren't we.

[Naz17]

You mean the same policies but set at a slower pace? Boy,we are setting the bar low aren't we.

Slower pace or less extreme. That is preferable to an all out Tory right?

[VladimirIlyich]

Slower pace or less extreme. That is preferable to an all out Tory right?

Preferable,only just but we deserve and want far more. Why is the modern choice simply to be shit on with chronic diarrhoea or vomited all over regularly? Those aren't choices,they are subservience.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

Vlad knows.

[Naz17]

Preferable,only just but we deserve and want far more. Why is the modern choice simply to be shit on with chronic diarrhoea or vomited all over regularly? Those aren't choices,they are subservience.

What specific policy would be your priority in an ideal world today?

[VladimirIlyich]

What specific policy would be your priority in an ideal world today?

Its not that simple though is it? I can tell you one that is near the bottom of my list though,Immigration.

[Naz17]

Its not that simple though is it? I can tell you one that is near the bottom of my list though,Immigration.

 

So you don't have a set of policies you want a Tory opposition to implement? So what do you stand for then except for being "anti Tory"?

[Section_31]

So you don't have a set of policies you want a Tory opposition to implement? So what do you stand for then except for being "anti Tory"?

 

To be fair that's like saying you need to have an alternative economic plan to disapprove of the current Tory economic plan or else you should just shut up. 

 

It's not about being 'anti Tory' out of tribalism, it's about not believing in the ideology that underpins what they think and do. The very, very simplistic difference between Labour and Tory is that one believes you achieve more together, and the other believes you achieve more alone. It's easy to decide which of those mantras you believe in most without having to develop your own complex blueprint of what such a society would look like.