Should Corbyn remain as Labour leader?

[Bjornebye]

2 minutes ago, Numero said:

Pro Push-Pop Tribalist. 

Hahaha  

[A Red]

I'm dining at the Royal Falmouth Yacht Club on Sunday, I shall keep an eye out for him 

[Bjornebye]

3 minutes ago, A Red said:

I'm dining at the Royal Falmouth Yacht Club on Sunday, I shall keep an eye out for him 

Give my regards to Robby Tregear. 

[A Red]

Just now, Bjornebye said:

Give my regards to Robby Tregear. 

Was he one of the lads on the Ark Royal? I think he sent me a birthday card

[Bjornebye]

6 minutes ago, A Red said:

Was he one of the lads on the Ark Royal? I think he sent me a birthday card

Was it sprayed with Amor Amor? 

[Gnasher]

Playing Robin Hood in the Islington Christmas Pantomime? 

 

 

 

[A Red]

A new shed?

[Gnasher]

7 minutes ago, A Red said:

A new shed?

 

[Gnasher]

6 hours ago, Gnasher said:

Playing Robin Hood in the Islington Christmas Pantomime? 

 

 

 

What's going on Corbs? 

[Gnasher]

Yah. Here it is,

 

 

 

[Rico1304]

https://projectforpeaceandjustice.com/

 

Any if you lot joined yet? 

[Bruce Spanner]

1 minute ago, Rico1304 said:

https://projectforpeaceandjustice.com/

That is amazing! 
 

Oh, we’re all fucked.

[Bjornebye]

6 minutes ago, Rico1304 said:

https://projectforpeaceandjustice.com/

 

Any if you lot joined yet? 

Joined it? Thats me on the left in the skinny jeans 

[Numero Veinticinco]

10 minutes ago, Bruce Spanner said:

That is amazing! 
 

Oh, we’re all fucked.

 

[Gnasher]

21 minutes ago, Rico1304 said:

https://projectforpeaceandjustice.com/

 

Any if you lot joined yet? 

Fycking first one in. Waited with my finger at the ready all morning and early afternoon, that woman from countdown wasnt beating me.

[Stickman]

That Lee Harpin seems to costs them a few quid 

 

Exclusive: Jewish Chronicle gets hit with another bill over article on Liverpool pensioner they’ve already paid damages to for ‘litany of lies’

Earlier this year, the Jewish Chronicle apologised and paid ‘undisclosed’ compensation to Liverpool pensioner Audrey White for a ‘litany of lies’ it had told in four articles by its hack Lee Harpin claiming that:

• White had lied about her date of birth to rejoin Labour
• she had been repeatedly warned by the party about bullying
• she had falsely claimed a councillor was being investigated by police
• she had aggressively interrupted a Jewish MP during a meeting – when a recording proved that she and others had been asked to contribute and the MP had been able to continue speaking in a relaxed manner

All of it was false. The Chronicle was also hammered by IPSO, not only for its false claims but for its lack of cooperation during IPSO’s investigation.

Last week, the Chronicle had another go at Ms White – and has again found itself facing a bill. The original article used an image (shown above) of Ms White by Liverpool film-maker Phil Maxwell – but did so without permission. When Mr Maxwell found out his copyright had been breached, he contacted the paper, but said the condescending tone of a reply that offered to take down the image prompted him to send the Chronicle an invoice for its unauthorised use of his creation, in the amount of £750.

The Jewish Chronicle has had an expensive and embarrassing time lately. As well as the damages paid to Audrey White, the paper apologised and paid ‘substantial’ compensation to a Muslim woman councillor for ‘wholly untrue’ allegations – again by Harpin and again without defending its claims in court – that she had ‘orchestrated’ a campaign against a Jewish MP. In 2019, it paid £50,000 in damages, plus costs and an apology, to a charity that helps Palestinians after implying it had links to terrorism.

Phil Maxwell said he has told the paper that he will not take legal action over the ‘unlawful’ use of his image if the bill is settled.

The SKWAWKBOX contacted Jewish Chronicle editor Stephen Pollard for comment on the matter, asking:

Any comment on yet another blunder in view of the fact your paper had to apologise and pay damages to Ms White for a ‘litany of lies’ about her and now you’ve breached a photographer’s IP in attacking her again?

He had not responded by the time of publication.

 

https://skwawkbox.org/2020/12/17/exclusive-jewish-chronicle-gets-hit-with-another-bill-over-article-on-liverpool-pensioner-theyve-already-paid-damages-to-for-litany-of-lies/

 

 

 

[Bjornebye]

Well surprise fucking surprise. Good to see those who threw unfounded Anti-Semitism claims around getting their comeuppance. Lets hope it spreads into other areas as well. Yes walking broken calculator with tits, I'm looking at you. 

[Bruce Spanner]

1 hour ago, Gnasher said:

The report into media bias is from the election when Milliband was leader so nothing to do with Corbyn.  

 

http://www.electionanalysis.uk/uk-election-analysis-2015/section-1-media-reporting/the-horse-race-contest-dominated-tv-news-election-coverage/

 

Oh and I know what thread this is I was debunking your shithouse defense of the British media, so fuck off yourself you tedious little twat

You say the sweetest things! 
 

The British media is bias, why would it not be, they’re privately owned enterprises, excluding Auntie and C4, they are free to do as the please, within the legislative framework. What you are doing is conflating two issues, one of ownership and one of responsibility, and you’re all over the place defending neither.

 

The report shows what you’d expect, why would it not, vested business interests would not like a left, even more so socialist, government at the helm as it would hurt their bottom line and influence. But, what you’re hoping for is for these to present things in a way you find palatable, yes? Well, guess fucking what? They have no interests in doing this, nor do they have any fucking reason to. The rules of the game have been in place for generations and unless ‘we’ fight against this by using every opportunity to project ‘our’ message we’re damned forever to the fringes, Corbyn is guiltier than most as he made a show of himself every time he was given extended air time, this isn’t even up for debate he was terrible with a lens trained on him.

 

If ‘we’ had won the election then we could have made it more difficult for them to be rabbid, ironically Blair did this whilst offering Murdock sweeteners, but that’s the only chance we’ll get of levelling the playing field if we win, that’s it. Corbyn campaign lost the election, not the media, not any number of perceived enemies. It was fucking awful, from manifesto, to campaigning, to media engagement, to organisation, to presentation and community engagement. 
 

What is being said, effectively, is ‘I, a supporter of Jeremy Corbyn can see through all of the media lies and these poor unfortunate, exploited souls can’t as they are being manipulated by the Meediaaa. I’m much smarter than them as I know the real truth’. It’s wholly unproductive, massively damaging and arrogance in the extreme to continue to peddle this falsehood that it was the media’s fucking fault, they played a part, but that part is insignificant in the, frankly, pathetic campaign that Labour ran.

 

To position the working class as largely unthinking oafs who are led by their nose is hubris in its worst manifestation when the have roundly rejected ‘socialism’ throughout British political history. Self interest vs collective responsibility is the binary choice and we must admit that Britain is, in the main, a nasty, short sighted, insular little fucking island inhabited by emotionally stunted, selfish cunts.

 

We are one of numerous ways of doing things, one of many ‘truths’ and one of many competing ideas. We are not ‘right’ we are a version of what we think is right and that’s what we need to sell and we have to use every tool at our disposal to do that and attempt to climb every obstacle that’s in the way and that includes the media as why the fuck would they want us to succeed? 

 

 

[Gnasher]

3 hours ago, Bruce Spanner said:

You say the sweetest things! 
 

The British media is bias, why would it not be, they’re privately owned enterprises, excluding Auntie and C4, they are free to do as the please, within the legislative framework. What you are doing is conflating two issues, one of ownership and one of responsibility, and you’re all over the place defending neither.

 

The report shows what you’d expect, why would it not, vested business interests would not like a left, even more so socialist, government at the helm as it would hurt their bottom line and influence. But, what you’re hoping for is for these to present things in a way you find palatable, yes? Well, guess fucking what? They have no interests in doing this, nor do they have any fucking reason to. The rules of the game have been in place for generations and unless ‘we’ fight against this by using every opportunity to project ‘our’ message we’re damned forever to the fringes, Corbyn is guiltier than most as he made a show of himself every time he was given extended air time, this isn’t even up for debate he was terrible with a lens trained on him.

 

If ‘we’ had won the election then we could have made it more difficult for them to be rabbid, ironically Blair did this whilst offering Murdock sweeteners, but that’s the only chance we’ll get of levelling the playing field if we win, that’s it. Corbyn campaign lost the election, not the media, not any number of perceived enemies. It was fucking awful, from manifesto, to campaigning, to media engagement, to organisation, to presentation and community engagement. 
 

What is being said, effectively, is ‘I, a supporter of Jeremy Corbyn can see through all of the media lies and these poor unfortunate, exploited souls can’t as they are being manipulated by the Meediaaa. I’m much smarter than them as I know the real truth’. It’s wholly unproductive, massively damaging and arrogance in the extreme to continue to peddle this falsehood that it was the media’s fucking fault, they played a part, but that part is insignificant in the, frankly, pathetic campaign that Labour ran.

 

To position the working class as largely unthinking oafs who are led by their nose is hubris in its worst manifestation when the have roundly rejected ‘socialism’ throughout British political history. Self interest vs collective responsibility is the binary choice and we must admit that Britain is, in the main, a nasty, short sighted, insular little fucking island inhabited by emotionally stunted, selfish cunts.

 

We are one of numerous ways of doing things, one of many ‘truths’ and one of many competing ideas. We are not ‘right’ we are a version of what we think is right and that’s what we need to sell and we have to use every tool at our disposal to do that and attempt to climb every obstacle that’s in the way and that includes the media as why the fuck would they want us to succeed? 

 

 

Regarding your first sentence I replied in kind. The report was about the 2015 election when Ed Milliband was leader so has didley squat to do with Jeremy  Corbyn, but I think you knew that which makes me suspicious of your intentions. 

 

The rest of your post is twaddle.

 

Anyway.. 

 

 

 

[skend04]

5 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

Regarding your first sentence I replied in kind. The rest of your post is twaddle.

 

Anyway..

 

 

 

You just can't help but be amazed at all those Red Wall Tories thinking Boris is doing a good job. 

[Gnasher]

2 minutes ago, skend04 said:

You just can't help but be amazed at all those Red Wall Tories thinking Boris is doing a good job. 

I agree its astonishing.

[Bruce Spanner]

40 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

Regarding your first sentence I replied in kind. The report was about the 2015 election when Ed Milliband was leader so has didley squat to do with Jeremy  Corbyn, but I think you knew that which makes me suspicious of your intentions. 

 

The rest of your post is twaddle.

 

Anyway.. 

 

 

 

It’s not though and you know it, but like most zealots you’ll refute any idea which challenges your worldview, naivety and boneheadedness are the order of the day after all.

 

As I said previously, I’m so fucking bored of this.

 

Corbyn has become like Trump to his supporters who refuse to accept any criticism of him.

 

He was decimated at the election as the public rejected him and his terrible campaign. Now if you’re claiming that all of those people deserted Labour because ‘the media’ told them to then you’re saying these people are thick and can’t see through the messaging, which is truly repugnant and position the working class as unthinking serfs with no minds of their own. So they are too thick to think for themselves and see what Jezza offered, is that right?

 

The fucking arrogance of it.

 

Labour were destroyed because of Corbyn and his leadership and no amount of revisionism, double think, blaming or deflection will ever change that.

 

 

[Gnasher]

8 minutes ago, Bruce Spanner said:

It’s not though and you know it, but like most zealots you’ll refute any idea which challenges your worldview, naivety and boneheadedness are the order of the day after all.

 

As I said previously, I’m so fucking bored of this.

 

What fuvking planet are you on?  Have you injected vim? The report is a university analysis of the media coverage of the 2015 election. Ed Miliband was Labour leader, Corbyn wasnt even in the cabinet. Jeremy Corbyn is not even mentioned.

 

Some bullet points.. The country wanted to debate the NHS, the Labour party wanted to debate the NHS. The media did not cover the NHS.

 

http://www.electionanalysis.uk/uk-election-analysis-2015/section-1-media-reporting/the-horse-race-contest-dominated-tv-news-election-coverage/

 

 

You're not the only one getting bored I'm not bothering reading the rest of your guff.

 

 

8 minutes ago, Bruce Spanner said:

 

Corbyn has become like Trump to his supporters who refuse to accept any criticism of him.

 

He was decimated at the election as the public rejected him and his terrible campaign. Now if you’re claiming that all of those people deserted Labour because the media told them to then you’re saying these people are thick and can’t see through the messaging, which is truly repugnant and position the working class as unthinking serfs with no minds of their own. So they are too thick to think for themselves and see what Jezza offered, is that right?

 

The fucking arrogance of it.

 

Labour were destroyed because of Corbyn and his leadership and no amount of revisionism, double think, blaming or deflection will ever change that.

 

 

 

[Megadrive Man]

1 hour ago, Bruce Spanner said:

Corbyn has become like Trump to his supporters who refuse to accept any criticism of him.

 

He was decimated at the election as the public rejected him and his terrible campaign. Now if you’re claiming that all of those people deserted Labour because ‘the media’ told them to then you’re saying these people are thick and can’t see through the messaging, which is truly repugnant and position the working class as unthinking serfs with no minds of their own. So they are too thick to think for themselves and see what Jezza offered, is that right?

 

The fucking arrogance of it.

 

Labour were destroyed because of Corbyn and his leadership and no amount of revisionism, double think, blaming or deflection will ever change that.

 

 

 

I was a strong supporter of Corbyn and I agree that there are a number of his supporters that are completely blinkered to his weaknesses. He was a reluctant leader, he had a number of questionable things about his past that put the public off and didn't fit the template/path that normally leads to becoming a prime minister. 

 

Its nonsense to say that Labour was decimated because of him and his campaign though. Brexit was the key issue at the last election, and Labour had no where to go with it. Nearly all the marginal seats were areas that voted leave. They weren't going to vote for any party threatening to take Brexit away from them. I think every seat that they lost (except maybe 1?) was in a leave area. The pro leave areas wanted a leader that felt passionately about Brexit. That's the only reason Boris Johnson got the nod from the Tories .

 

Even the 1997 version of Tony Blair wouldn't have won the last election as Labour leader. By the time the election came round he would have been smeared as Brexit blocker Blair with the weird wife, the man that doesn't care about democracy, the man that wants us to join the euro etc.

 

The data is very clear on this. If you look at the last 3 elections, in 2015, Ukip got around 3.8 million votes (12.6%) in 2017 they collapsed to less than 600k (1.8%) Labour went up from 30% to 40% Tories moved from 37% to 42% in 2019 Labour went down to 32% and the Tories only went up slightly by 1.3% 

 

The Ukip/leave voters are the difference. A Labour party standing on a pro brexit platform would have beaten a Tory party standing on a second referendum platform in 2019. 

 

Moving forward, I don't know what Labour should do for the best anymore. They risk alienating the areas where they are doing well by ostracising Corbyn, Scotland is a lost cause, Starmer isn't popular with Brexit voters, it seems a very very long way back for Labour right now. 

 

 

 

 

[Bjornebye]

Brexit was the main driver in the last election. The medias bias and slandering of Corbyn was all to further help secure a Brexit win for Murdoch etc.