Summer Transfer Thread 2015

[Rustyjeffears]

I was thinking about this earlier. As much as Hodgson is a worse manager than Rodgers, the feeling, for me anyway, was that it was just a temporary situation with Hodgson. The nightmare would be over soon and we'd go back to being one of the biggest clubs on the planet. One that tries to win stuff. 

 

Rodgers should be sacked. But, obviously, we need to find a better manager to replace him with. Whilst this shouldn't be too tricky, it's incredibly difficult to believe that we're about to appoint Klopp/Benitez/Ancelotti etc, and even if we did they'd still be working within a framework that isn't geared towards winning. Essentially, even if Rodgers goes there isn't any sense that we're going to suddenly start acting like a big club again.

I'd like to think that any manager with a reputation would be laying down the law on what they expect so by default our mentality would have to change or they would soon be out of here.

[El Rojo]

I was thinking about this earlier. As much as Hodgson is a worse manager than Rodgers, the feeling, for me anyway, was that it was just a temporary situation with Hodgson. The nightmare would be over soon and we'd go back to being one of the biggest clubs on the planet. One that tries to win stuff. 

 

Rodgers should be sacked. But, obviously, we need to find a better manager to replace him with. Whilst this shouldn't be too tricky, it's incredibly difficult to believe that we're about to appoint Klopp/Benitez/Ancelotti etc, and even if we did they'd still be working within a framework that isn't geared towards winning. Essentially, even if Rodgers goes there isn't any sense that we're going to suddenly start acting like a big club again.

 

Yep. Regardless of who replaced Rodgers, it would just be a new face on one head of a huge, underperforming hydra.

[skend04]

I was thinking about this earlier. As much as Hodgson is a worse manager than Rodgers, the feeling, for me anyway, was that it was just a temporary situation with Hodgson. The nightmare would be over soon and we'd go back to being one of the biggest clubs on the planet. One that tries to win stuff.

Only difference between the 2? Age. I don't think there's a gnats whisker difference in ability. Hodgson managed some decent European performances but generally bent over in the league, Rodgers vice versa.

[Paco]

I don't see it like this. a new manager comes in and revitalises a squad and with a few key additions transforms them.

 

we have a squad full of potential but we don't have enough quality older players to bind the whole thing together. as jp said we finished 6th and its like the end of the world. bringing in the right players to replace johnson gerrard jones balotelli lambert and borini is the key now.

[The Golden Eel]

I was thinking about this earlier. As much as Hodgson is a worse manager than Rodgers, the feeling, for me anyway, was that it was just a temporary situation with Hodgson. The nightmare would be over soon and we'd go back to being one of the biggest clubs on the planet. One that tries to win stuff. 

 

Rodgers should be sacked. But, obviously, we need to find a better manager to replace him with. Whilst this shouldn't be too tricky, it's incredibly difficult to believe that we're about to appoint Klopp/Benitez/Ancelotti etc, and even if we did they'd still be working within a framework that isn't geared towards winning. Essentially, even if Rodgers goes there isn't any sense that we're going to suddenly start acting like a big club again.

 

This is what I was saying the other day.  There have been low points over the past 30 years or so but there's a certain hopelessness at the minute that I've never experienced before.  In the past, you always had hope, it was like we'd be back soon enough, but it truly feels to me like we're just getting further away now, even domestically it's looking like we'll need a very good set of circumstances (ie last season) before we could get near the teams that finished above us this season. And that's not even considering Europe.  

[Grinch]

I don't see it like this. a new manager comes in and revitalises a squad and with a few key additions transforms them.

 

we have a squad full of potential but we don't have enough quality older players to bind the whole thing together. as jp said we finished 6th and its like the end of the world. bringing in the right players to replace johnson gerrard jones balotelli lambert and borini is the key now.

 

For a club that's hardly signed a good player in three years, bringing the right players in for seven is harder than it sounds.

[El Rojo]

Only difference between the 2? Age. I don't think there's a gnats whisker difference in ability. Hodgson managed some decent European performances but generally bent over in the league, Rodgers vice versa.

 

Harsh. For all his failings in the abysmal season just gone, surely he gets at least some credit for last season?

[Rustyjeffears]

Harsh. For all his failings in the abysmal season just gone, surely he gets at least some credit for last season?

One season out of three does not make you a good manager get or excuse the failings of this season.

 

Biggest I issue form me and consistent I his time here is that he cannot sort a team out to defend at all. Despite buying God knows how many defenders it's the same issues with them week I week out. They cannot all be this crap? Loren looks amateur for example. Surely he isn't that bad? It down to coaching to me and that's down to Rodgers

[El Rojo]

One season out of three does not make you a good manager get or excuse the failings of this season.

 

Biggest I issue form me and consistent I his time here is that he cannot sort a team out to defend at all. Despite buying God knows how many defenders it's the same issues with them week I week out. They cannot all be this crap? Loren looks amateur for example. Surely he isn't that bad? It down to coaching to me and that's down to Rodgers

 

Sadly, I reckon Rodgers' defensive limitations in terms of tactics are only a small part of the problem with Lovren. Awful signing.

[Jairzinho]

The only thing thats got bigger under FSG is the quantity of TV cash and international donut revenues. Full stop.

 

More intelligent and better PR than the last lot. They seem to understand you can just pump up the value of the club and sell it on, rather than obviously taking bits apart whilst at the club.

 

I'd like to think that any manager with a reputation would be laying down the law on what they expect so by default our mentality would have to change or they would soon be out of here.

 

Well, I'd hope so. But FSG aren't stupid, they know that by appointing someone of that nature that is the risk. It's why I'd expect Rodgers to be replaced by a 28 year old from League 2.

 

Yep. Regardless of who replaced Rodgers, it would just be a new face on one head of a huge, underperforming hydra.

 

I increasingly want them to fuck off.

 

Only difference between the 2? Age. I don't think there's a gnats whisker difference in ability. Hodgson managed some decent European performances but generally bent over in the league, Rodgers vice versa.

 

And style, to be fair. Hodgson wanted to turn us into a well drilled Championship side. 

 

This is what I was saying the other day.  There have been low points over the past 30 years or so but there's a certain hopelessness at the minute that I've never experienced before.  In the past, you always had hope, it was like we'd be back soon enough, but it truly feels to me like we're just getting further away now, even domestically it's looking like we'll need a very good set of circumstances (ie last season) before we could get near the teams that finished above us this season. And that's not even considering Europe.  

 

I'm finding it less and less easy to give a fuck. The club, from top to bottom, is run by people that don't know what they're doing and most of the great characteristics of the club, of any top sports team for that matter, have gone. 

[Paco]

One season out of three does not make you a good manager get or excuse the failings of this season.

 

Biggest I issue form me and consistent I his time here is that he cannot sort a team out to defend at all. Despite buying God knows how many defenders it's the same issues with them week I week out. They cannot all be this crap? Loren looks amateur for example. Surely he isn't that bad? It down to coaching to me and that's down to Rodgers

its a fair point but he also equalled a club record 6 away clean sheets.

 

I thought/hoped he had sorted the defence mid season. we conceded 9 in our last 2 games and how many since our top 4 push ended at home to.united.

 

Unfortunately the fight went out of the team then and all the old problems returned. the manager gets the blame and rightly so for not being able to.motivate until the final whistle of the final game.

[jsjazz]

He will go to a CL club. Not a cat in hell's chance of that deal happening.

£24.7M move Martinez to Arsenal being touted.

We are linked to Benteke for £32.5M.

 

All rumours and hearsay, I know, but its all we have to go on. Even being linked with someone half decent gives hope, and that's pretty much all we have to go on at the moment.

[Rustyjeffears]

Sadly, I reckon Rodgers' defensive limitations in terms of tactics are only a small part of the problem with Lovren. Awful signing.

Maybe he is never going to be a top 4 defender, but for us he looks like a pub league player. You can't tell me that a full international and Premiership experienced player is that bad?

 

We've bought Moreno, sakho, Loren, toure, manquillo. We have skrtel and sold agger. Yet the same issues remain and we safe conceding more goals than when he first arrived. And significantly more than we did under Kenny.

[Gym Beglin]

I reckon we will be champions within two years.

 

If Sturridge comes back fit then we've just acquired a £40m striker.

 

I just feel that this season will be a watershed for the club and for Rodgers and FSG. The product is worth nothing unless it's successful, and I think Mike Gordon will see this.

 

Backroom staff upgrades though.

[El Rojo]

Maybe he is never going to be a top 4 defender, but for us he looks like a pub league player. You can't tell me that a full international and Premiership experienced player is that bad?

 

We've bought Moreno, sakho, Loren, toure, manquillo. We have skrtel and sold agger. Yet the same issues remain and we safe conceding more goals than when he first arrived. And significantly more than we did under Kenny.

 

A figure of fun in a weaker league with Lyon and a few good months being screened by two excellent destroyers in Schneiderlin and Wanayama.

[skend04]

I reckon we will be champions within two years.

 

If Sturridge comes back fit then we've just acquired a £40m striker.

 

I just feel that this season will be a watershed for the club and for Rodgers and FSG. The product is worth nothing unless it's successful, and I think Mike Gordon will see this.

 

Backroom staff upgrades though.

Weekend drinking started early?

[Strontium]

we ve offered 10m for clyne.

 

I can hear the laughter from here.

 

That is a disgrace. The only purpose these lowball bids can possibly serve is to unsettle the player in question. It is conduct unbecoming of a football club as storied as this one.

[skend04]

That is a disgrace. The only purpose these lowball bids can possibly serve is to unsettle the player in question. It is conduct unbecoming of a football club as storied as this one.

We've done it for ages, well at least whilst Ayre has been in charge of negotiations. Lest not forget we only offered £8m for Suarez and only got him because all of a sudden we were being given £50m by Chelsea for Torres.

[Trumo]

I'm waiting for the stories about these other clubs complaining about our conduct with these transfer attempts. It seems to happen regularly, and indeed has been the case under 3 different owners and 3 different MD/CEO's, not just the current regime. We seem to do things a certain way regardless of whoever's name is above the door or whoever runs the place or whoever's managing the team, despite it being proven time and time again to be a waste of time and money.

[FanchesterCity]

We've done it for ages, well at least whilst Ayre has been in charge of negotiations. Lest not forget we only offered £8m for Suarez and only got him because all of a sudden we were being given £50m by Chelsea for Torres.

 

There's nothing wrong with a low bid, providing it's not insulting.

The danger of very low bids is that it winds up the selling club unnecessarily. 

[skend04]

There's nothing wrong with a low bid, providing it's not insulting.

The danger of very low bids is that it winds up the selling club unnecessarily.

Yeah, nowt wrong with testing the water but Suarez stopped being an £8m player when he starred for Uruguay in the 2010 World Cup. We were just taking the piss and continue to do so. I reckon its just a ruse so that our CEOs can go on jollys at the clubs expense.

[Dr Nowt]

The problem with the Suarez deal, so early in FSG's tenure and their first signing as it was, it that it was like walking into a Vegas casino and scooping the jackpot with a couple of chips.

 

I'm not sure they quite realise just how rare that was.

[redfromtubebar]

We're still not going to sign a gnarly bastard defensive midfielder are we?

 

5 years on since Masch left.

[JermainePennant]

There's nothing wrong with a low bid, providing it's not insulting.

The danger of very low bids is that it winds up the selling club unnecessarily.

Spot on, fans complain when we pay big but want to complain when we try and play hard ball.

 

I don't see what's so insulting about that first bid, Manu signed RVP when he had the third highest scoring rate in Europe for 20m when he was down to his final year.

[TheHowieLama]

we ve offered 10m for clyne.