Evra accuses Suarez of racism

[Libero]

I have a feeling that the last thing the FA would ever want to happen would be for this case to be referred to the CPS, because under the most basic, simple standards of criminal law and evidence, there would be no case to answer. That is what I suspect.

[Jarvinja Ilnow]

"Suárez may not have had any racist intent but the Hispanic subtleties were lost on Evra. They’d be lost on most in Britain."

 

Many people from South American nations find the term "Hispanic" quite offensive.

[TheHowieLama]

the term "Hispanic" quite offensive.

 

not in the states cuz it is now the majority

[Guest ShoePiss]

"Suárez may not have had any racist intent but the Hispanic subtleties were lost on Evra. They’d be lost on most in Britain."

 

Many people from South American nations find the term "Hispanic" quite offensive.

 

Really? Fucking hell it's hard keeping up with offensive words these days.

[Dougie Do'ins]

I'm Indian but fuck me, you wouldn't be able to get away with 'Society of White Lawyers' so why is that allowed?

It's probably like the BPA National Black Police Association

[TheHowieLama]

Really? Fucking hell it's hard keeping up with offensive words these days.

 

Lumping all people of Spanish speaking descent as Hispanic could be individually offensive to say a Tico or a Boricua or countless other vatos - it takes away national identity. It does however make for a motherfucker of a political alliance - all Caucasians did not come from the same country after all.

[Captain]

Racist!

[TheHowieLama]

Have I done it again?

[Captain]

No.

 

But the village idiot is back.

[TheHowieLama]

Heh - yeah.....are we making fun of me?

[Antynwa]

It's starting to grate on me this. The club are playing this very badly IMO.

[Thomo123]

It's starting to grate on me this. The club are playing this very badly IMO.

 

Bollocks mate, in a PR sense maybe but what the club are standing up for is genuine and imo opinion 100% correct. The solidarity shown by fans has made me proud to be a red. The press treatment of Suarez has been abhorrent and we cannot allow it to happen without a fight.

[Antynwa]

The club should be hounding the fa for evidence. At the moment all we are doing and saying is that we're backing a someone who has been found guilty of a racial offence. It's about education and at the moment, not so much our clubs stance but that from some fans is doing us no help at all.

 

Tony has made a few good points there. Since when did our support become such experts on the social connotations of south American language. Something is making me feel in easy as to how we as a club are presenting our arguments for the defence. I believe Suarez to be innocent, but the club should be focussing on the fa's evidence.

[TheHowieLama]

Since when did our support become such experts on the social connotations of south American language.

 

 

 

Since the advent of television.

[boomer39]

kick "racism out of football"????? all the "sweet" FA have done is to make it worse...

btw.... what is "racism"???

[Thomo123]

The club should be hounding the fa for evidence. At the moment all we are doing and saying is that we're backing a someone who has been found guilty of a racial offence. It's about education and at the moment, not so much our clubs stance but that from some fans is doing us no help at all.

 

Tony has made a few good points there. Since when did our support become such experts on the social connotations of south American language. Something is making me feel in easy as to how we as a club are presenting our arguments for the defence. I believe Suarez to be innocent, but the club should be focussing on the fa's evidence.

 

He did but his article had no balance and potrayed Evra as some little lost puppy, no mention of the Sudaca reference Evra made to Suarez. Tony is taking alot os stick for the article and rightly so, it panders to the general view the press are trying to potray, nothing new. When Ollie Holts commends it you know it must be shit.

[razor]

The club should be hounding the fa for evidence. At the moment all we are doing and saying is that we're backing a someone who has been found guilty of a racial offence. It's about education and at the moment, not so much our clubs stance but that from some fans is doing us no help at all.

 

Tony has made a few good points there. Since when did our support become such experts on the social connotations of south American language. Something is making me feel in easy as to how we as a club are presenting our arguments for the defence. I believe Suarez to be innocent, but the club should be focussing on the fa's evidence.

 

We do seem to have decided it's all or nothing. We've put it all on the line with that amazing statement.

 

As a long time supporter of the club, with a reasonable grasp of public relations etc, I am a little scared but also excited - we've kind of declared war and it's a massive step.

 

I take atk's point about will Suarez stick by us as much as we've stuck by him - that is my only concern.

 

We've got a lot to lose in terms of the club's reputation (people who disregard this really don't have a clue), but I am glad we've done it.

 

Bring 'em on.

[dirk grout]

The club should be hounding the fa for evidence. At the moment all we are doing and saying is that we're backing a someone who has been found guilty of a racial offence. It's about education and at the moment, not so much our clubs stance but that from some fans is doing us no help at all.

 

Tony has made a few good points there. Since when did our support become such experts on the social connotations of south American language. Something is making me feel in easy as to how we as a club are presenting our arguments for the defence. I believe Suarez to be innocent, but the club should be focussing on the fa's evidence.

 

Have you actually read what Suarez has been charged with or have you just read the mirror? The word race is not mentioned at all. He has NOT been found guilty of a 'racial' offence.

[TheHowieLama]

We do seem to have decided it's all or nothing. We've put it all on the line with that amazing statement.

 

As a long time supporter of the club, with a reasonable grasp of public relations etc, I am a little scared but also excited - we've kind of declared war and it's a massive step.

 

I take atk's point about will Suarez stick by us as much as we've stuck by him - that is my only concern.

 

We've got a lot to lose in terms of the club's reputation (people who disregard this really don't have a clue), but I am glad we've done it.

 

Bring 'em on.

 

This is the part I struggle with. Everywhere else in the world besides the UK they already have perspective on the incident and are on our side - many think Luis is being discriminated against. As for the UK - especially amongst other supporters, facts have nothing to do with it - it is all inbred hatred from decades of non stop abuse in both directions. They already sing murderers - who gives a shit about anything else FFS. The "brand" is global and this play is global.

[razor]

Well, aside from The Liverpool Way, which I would hope most people have an affinity with and pride for, there is also financial implications.

 

Not just the basic "Mum can I have a Suarez shirt / mug / keyring / poster" / "Er, no he's racialist", but in terms of sponsorship, both match day and larger corporate.

 

The reputation of the club is something that Smith / Robinson, not to mention Shanks, Paisley etc etc worked hard to build for many years.

 

It does matter.

 

Chelsea fans singing that I'm a racist or something, I obviously couldn't care less about.

[xerxes]

Bollocks mate, in a PR sense maybe but what the club are standing up for is genuine and imo opinion 100% correct. The solidarity shown by fans has made me proud to be a red. The press treatment of Suarez has been abhorrent and we cannot allow it to happen without a fight.

 

Without the judgement I am not sure what it is the Club are standing up for?

 

The solidarity of the fans is to be expected, but what the cause is, is uncertain.

 

The Press treatment of Suarez has been driven by two things. Firstly a guilty verdict. Secondly an inadequate Club/ PR response. If you don't get your story out folowing a guilty verdict, don't be surprised by what follows.

[Newport]

I wonder what the Society of Hispanic Lawyers has to say about it.

 

And some people in here saying we ought to cave in from the media pressure and the bad publicity. Are you taking the piss? This is the most outrageous case of injustice against a player for as long as I can remember and you're suggesting we should just give up pursuing it because it might damage the reputation of the club. What about Heysel then? The club's reputation surely got out of that fairly unharmed, so why should this be any worse?

 

Are you seriously getting caught up with this racism mass hysteria. I'm all for people being banned for racist comments, but not if it's based on a misunderstanding. Then it's plain wrong to ban someone for eight (fucking) games. A warning and Suarez being forced to apologise would have been fine, but the fucking FA instead went out and made a political statement and threw Luis under the bus so the whole fucking country bar a few people that aren't idiots think he's a racist. It's a disgrace to England and it's a disgrace to English football.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

This is a bit shit.

 

HOPE not hate blog: Remove the England captaincy from John Terry

 

"The FA appear to have handled the Suarez case in accordance with the rules and appear only to have come to their judgement after much deliberation. It is sad that Suarez’s Liverpool team-mates and manager rallied round him without even slightest concern of his guilt. Wearing T-shirts in support of him undermines efforts to stamp out racism within the game. Let us just hope that at some stage in the future these same Liverpool players, who appear so quick to jump to Suarez’s defence, are not left annoyed with players of a rival team who rally round someone who has abused one of their own."

 

Nick Lowles is supposed to be some sort of leader of the Searchlight/Hope Not Hate campaign, so you'd like to think that the least he could do is get his facts right.

 

I've submitted a comment, pulling him up on this, but (so far) it's waiting for approval by an administrator.

Still no sign of my comment or any correction to the original blog. I've just sent this.

"It is sad that Suarez’s Liverpool team-mates and manager rallied round him without even slightest concern of his guilt." This statement is false and potentially libellous.

 

It is clear - from the official statement released by the club and from everything the managers and (current and former) players have said since - that the issue of guilt or innocence is of the greatest concern. There are serious concerns with the validity of the verdict in the Suarez case, which will become clearer when the FA finally decide to release the reasons for their verdict and thus allow an appeal to begin. Your comments glibly ignore these concerns and casually accuse everyone at the club of condoning racism. This is unhelpful, as it undermines your own credibility.

 

(I should also add that it's worrying that I pointed this out two weeks ago, in a comment which - unlike the two comments supporting your personal views - has not been published.)

 

Let's see if that one disappears, too.

[Guest ShoePiss]

I wonder what the Society of Hispanic Lawyers has to say about it.

 

And some people in here saying we ought to cave in from the media pressure and the bad publicity. Are you taking the piss? This is the most outrageous case of injustice against a player for as long as I can remember and you're suggesting we should just give up pursuing it because it might damage the reputation of the club. What about Heysel then? The club's reputation surely got out of that fairly unharmed, so why should this be any worse?

 

Are you seriously getting caught up with this racism mass hysteria. I'm all for people being banned for racist comments, but not if it's based on a misunderstanding. Then it's plain wrong to ban someone for eight (fucking) games. A warning and Suarez being forced to apologise would have been fine, but the fucking FA instead went out and made a political statement and threw Luis under the bus so the whole fucking country bar a few people that aren't idiots think he's a racist. It's a disgrace to England and it's a disgrace to English football.

 

Fucking hell do you really believe that?

[Antynwa]

Have you actually read what Suarez has been charged with or have you just read the mirror? The word race is not mentioned at all. He has NOT been found guilty of a 'racial' offence.

 

It's the perception, yeah he may have not been found guilty of racism, but they found him guilty of a racist incident. The subtle difference will be lost on a few people.

 

We need to play our cards right, at the moment we're completely backing our player, which there is nothing wrong with. In the meantime however we've got a growing number of people, including some of our own fans who are somewhat concerned at the clubs reaction.

 

The FA need to release the evidence, and they need to release it now, and the club should be banging on the door harder and louder for the evidence. Because from the outside looking in, we just seem to be backing our player for no other reason, than he is our player.

 

It's very hard to defend someone found guilty of a racial offence without looking like a cunt, we've done alright so far. But this unconditional backing of Suarez needs to take a back burner, we should be seeking the truth and highlighting the rights and wrongs of the case. With full legal action.

 

Oliver Bernard can fuck off though. They've never asked his opinion on anything else in the history of mankind, so why ask him now I have no idea.