Coronavirus

[Megadrive Man]

2 minutes ago, Bjornebye said:

How many of them have tory donor CEO's though? 

 

Good point. I'm sure Dominic Cummings Auntie can set up a company from scratch that would be much better.  

[Mudface]

4 minutes ago, Bjornebye said:

How many of them have tory donor CEO's though? 

We'll get the stuff delivered in G4S prison vans driven by zero hours Serco slaves.

[Tj hooker]

43 minutes ago, MegadriveMan said:

 

I used to work for a healthcare delivery company. There are a number of healthcare specialist vans available. Boots, Bupa and Healthcare at home offer this sort of delivery service for patients. A logistics company called Movianto do it as well.

 

Rolling it out across the whole country is a massive job though. I'm intrigued to see how they go about it.   

Did this company Rise from the flames by any chance? 

[Barrington Womble]

3 hours ago, Sugar Ape said:

Doesn’t that make sense though as the spread isn’t the same as last time? Some places in the north are worse than at the peak in the spring, places down south are better off?
 

I still like Zoe for the general numbers across the country, but on a micro level it seems to be all over the place. I’m watching it in my area, West Lancs, and it was 1,800 one day, 1,300 the next and then over 2,000 the day after. 
 

 

I get the idea that it's less in the south now, but certainly Liverpool in May had the highest death rates per capita outside of London, so I'm not convinced it should be so bad here. Again if we use Zoe, this wave is about 25% of the original wave and Zoe is probably the best tool we have from the original phase. 

 

As for the local rates, is it not possible that it is all over the place?

[Sugar Ape]

2 minutes ago, Barrington Womble said:

I get the idea that it's less in the south now, but certainly Liverpool in May had the highest death rates per capita outside of London, so I'm not convinced it should be so bad here. Again if we use Zoe, this wave is about 25% of the original wave and Zoe is probably the best tool we have from the original phase. 

 

As for the local rates, is it not possible that it is all over the place?

The lad you quoted lives in the Wigan catchment area though not Liverpool, either way no matter how bad it was in spring, if it’s been worse in that area recently then you’d expect to see as many or more deaths as the first peak. 
 

Didn’t the amount of people in certain hospitals in the north recently exceed the peak in spring? 
 

I’d expect some movement in the local rates but not a drop from 1800 to 1300 one day and then a rise to around 2150 the next. 

[Barrington Womble]

17 minutes ago, Sugar Ape said:

The lad you quoted lives in the Wigan catchment area though not Liverpool, either way no matter how bad it was in spring, if it’s been worse in that area recently then you’d expect to see as many or more deaths as the first peak. 
 

Didn’t the amount of people in certain hospitals in the north recently exceed the peak in spring? 
 

I’d expect some movement in the local rates but not a drop from 1800 to 1300 one day and then a rise to around 2150 the next. 

yeah, but Liverpool have been telling us it's fucked here for ages and we've been at capacity since days since the students got back (which doesn't even account for the disease to filter through from students to the community to hospital cases). and we're supposed to believe with new treatments people spend less time in hospital than before (so this should mean more free beds and less covid patients at any one time), fewer end up in ICU and when they do end up in ICU the survival rate is better than before. Something just doesn't add up for me and I have felt this for weeks. 

[Sugar Ape]

1 minute ago, Barrington Womble said:

yeah, but Liverpool have been telling us it's fucked here for ages and we've been at capacity since days since the students got back (which doesn't even account for the disease to filter through from students to the community to hospital cases). and we're supposed to believe with new treatments people spend less time in hospital than before (so this should mean more free beds and less covid patients at any one time), fewer end up in ICU and when they do end up in ICU the survival rate is better than before. Something just doesn't add up for me and I have felt this for weeks. 

I don’t know mate. I watched that BBC news night report recently where they let them into the Royal and the staff were all saying it was bad. Not sure if you have seen it but I can link to it again if you want to watch it. 
 

Ultimately, what do you suspect is happening then? The majority of deaths are reported from hospitals so unless loads of people are in on a conspiracy to report non Covid deaths as Covid then I don’t see how the numbers can be wrong, at least not by a big margin? When the ONS verified the latest week of deaths about 87% had Covid as the underlying cause on the death certificate. 
 

Do you think a lot of these deaths reported today are wrong then?

 

 

[Stickman]

I know it’s meant to be a joke but unfortunately it’s more than likely uncannily accurate 

 

ALASTAIR CAMPBELL

@campbellclaret

Interesting odds for new post of VACCINE ROLLOUT CZAR — 3/1 Lady John Redwood 7/2 Lady Liam Fox 6/1 Lady Iain Duncan-Smith 10/1 Mary Wakefield-Cummings 20/1 Telegraph science editor 50/1 Someone qualified and appointed on merit not married to a Tory MP or major Vote Leave backer

 

 

 

[Nelly-Szoboszlai]

Some crazy new covid symptoms have been revealed... 

[Harry's Lad]

4 hours ago, Scooby Dudek said:

Pupil in daughters class has tested positive. Just booked a test for daughter, myself and wife. It was very easy and had numerous times available, but obviously had to wait until daughter finished school. All 3 getting test at 3:30 today.

 

Being part of a big testing area helps, but it shows what is possible when resources are made available.

Good luck mate.

[Harry's Lad]

2 hours ago, MegadriveMan said:

 

I used to work for a healthcare delivery company. There are a number of healthcare specialist vans available. Boots, Bupa and Healthcare at home offer this sort of delivery service for patients. A logistics company called Movianto do it as well.

 

Rolling it out across the whole country is a massive job though. I'm intrigued to see how they go about it.   

Movianto used to deliver one of my medications which had to be kept refridgerated  to me.

They were pretty decent to be fair.

[Barrington Womble]

2 hours ago, Sugar Ape said:

I don’t know mate. I watched that BBC news night report recently where they let them into the Royal and the staff were all saying it was bad. Not sure if you have seen it but I can link to it again if you want to watch it. 
 

Ultimately, what do you suspect is happening then? The majority of deaths are reported from hospitals so unless loads of people are in on a conspiracy to report non Covid deaths as Covid then I don’t see how the numbers can be wrong, at least not by a big margin? When the ONS verified the latest week of deaths about 87% had Covid as the underlying cause on the death certificate. 
 

Do you think a lot of these deaths reported today are wrong then?

 

 

I don't know what is wrong. What I would say is every way I look at the figures they don't add up, especially if you go back and look at old data. I know I don't trust the government as I think they will manipulate the facts to suit whichever agenda they are trying to run (even the fucking daily mail has caught them out on that). It could be things are as bad as they seem, but they'd previously been playing it down (perhaps hoping the vaccine would get here sooner?). It could be the deaths aren't as high as they're saying right now - I honestly don't know why that would be the case. And when we look back to the move from regional to national restrictions, they never even gave tier 3 enough time to work. Why? Just none of it adds up and one way or another these cunts are lying to us. There's something they're keeping from us, I just can't work out what that is. 

[Barrington Womble]

595 deaths announced today. 

[mattyq]

Yay! We've become the first European country to exceed 50,000 Covid deaths with the latest deaths totalling 595 in the last 24hours

Remember, SD, when you said you'd believe it was a 2nd wave when we passed 500?

Do you feel able to re-enter the world of the reality based community?

[Sugar Ape]

1 minute ago, Barrington Womble said:

I don't know what is wrong. What I would say is every way I look at the figures they don't add up, especially if you go back and look at old data. I know I don't trust the government as I think they will manipulate the facts to suit whichever agenda they are trying to run (even the fucking daily mail has caught them out on that). It could be things are as bad as they seem, but they'd previously been playing it down (perhaps hoping the vaccine would get here sooner?). It could be the deaths aren't as high as they're saying right now - I honestly don't know why that would be the case. And when we look back to the move from regional to national restrictions, they never even gave tier 3 enough time to work. Why? Just none of it adds up and one way or another these cunts are lying to us. There's something they're keeping from us, I just can't work out what that is. 

I think we can take it as a given they’re lying to us. Not just on Covid but on fucking everything. I just don’t see death stats as being wrong by any kind of a wide margin as they’re reported by hospital trusts and then verified to some degree by the ONS later on. 
 

I could well believe they’ve downplayed the amount of people testing positive by not making enough tests available or by restricting who is eligible to get one, something like that. 
 

With regards to not giving Tier 3 enough time and moving to a national furlough, it wouldn’t surprise me if that’s because cases started rising in other regions that they actually give a fuck about. Similar to only being able to afford a 67% furlough in the north but then suddenly being able to find the 80% when the south had to go into lockdown as well. 

[Bjornebye]

8 minutes ago, mattyq said:

Yay! We've become the first European country to exceed 50,000 Covid deaths with the latest deaths totalling 595 in the last 24hours

Remember, SD, when you said you'd believe it was a 2nd wave when we passed 500?

Do you feel able to re-enter the world of the reality based community?

I'd be surprised to see him admit he's wrong to be honest. I think the recent shout was that this is a delayed first wave. Again, how he isn't a front bench Tory MP I just don't know. If he feels he is wrong and can't find a straw to clutch he will just ignore the thread until something pops up that suits his agenda. Anyway he's just been put in his place by a gobshite on the FF so he's probably sending a strongly worded fax to their place of work. 

[cloggypop]

Dutch health minister here reckons our second wave has peaked

 

https://www.dutchnews.nl/news/2020/11/coronavirus-infections-rise-again-as-de-jonge-says-second-wave-has-peaked/

[Barrington Womble]

1 hour ago, Sugar Ape said:

I think we can take it as a given they’re lying to us. Not just on Covid but on fucking everything. I just don’t see death stats as being wrong by any kind of a wide margin as they’re reported by hospital trusts and then verified to some degree by the ONS later on. 
 

I could well believe they’ve downplayed the amount of people testing positive by not making enough tests available or by restricting who is eligible to get one, something like that. 
 

With regards to not giving Tier 3 enough time and moving to a national furlough, it wouldn’t surprise me if that’s because cases started rising in other regions that they actually give a fuck about. Similar to only being able to afford a 67% furlough in the north but then suddenly being able to find the 80% when the south had to go into lockdown as well. 

They can manipulate anything they want though, because they do all the time. 

 

You might be right with regards tier 3. Or at least they want to squash the virus in areas that they care about so after this lockdown they can stick us back in tier 3 and let London do what the fuck it wants again. 

[Barrington Womble]

1 hour ago, Sugar Ape said:

I think we can take it as a given they’re lying to us. Not just on Covid but on fucking everything. I just don’t see death stats as being wrong by any kind of a wide margin as they’re reported by hospital trusts and then verified to some degree by the ONS later on. 
 

I could well believe they’ve downplayed the amount of people testing positive by not making enough tests available or by restricting who is eligible to get one, something like that. 
 

With regards to not giving Tier 3 enough time and moving to a national furlough, it wouldn’t surprise me if that’s because cases started rising in other regions that they actually give a fuck about. Similar to only being able to afford a 67% furlough in the north but then suddenly being able to find the 80% when the south had to go into lockdown as well. 

So here's a strange one. Of that almost 600 in the UK today, only 360 were in England according to the BBC north west news and I think it said 180 of them in this region. So that indicates 250 in NI, Scotland and Wales? 

[Mudface]

2 minutes ago, Barrington Womble said:

So here's a strange one. Of that almost 600 in the UK today, only 360 were in England according to the BBC north west news and I think it said 180 of them in this region. So that indicates 250 in NI, Scotland and Wales? 

Says 478 here- https://coronavstats.co.uk

[Barrington Womble]

4 minutes ago, Mudface said:

Says 478 here- https://coronavstats.co.uk

So you can't even trust the BBC to c&p any more! 

[Sugar Ape]

8 minutes ago, Barrington Womble said:

So here's a strange one. Of that almost 600 in the UK today, only 360 were in England according to the BBC north west news and I think it said 180 of them in this region. So that indicates 250 in NI, Scotland and Wales? 

Maybe they were talking about hospital deaths as opposed to deaths in all settings? That’s caught me out before because they seemingly choose which one to use at will. 
 

 

 

[Barrington Womble]

3 minutes ago, Sugar Ape said:

Maybe they were talking about hospital deaths as opposed to deaths in all settings? That’s caught me out before because they seemingly choose which one to use at will. 
 

 

 

Maybe. They didn't specify I don't think. 

[TheHowieLama]

New York is going to be closing all boozers at 10 pm.

No larger groups than 10 persons in private homes.

[Barrington Womble]

6 minutes ago, TheHowieLama said:

New York is going to be closing all boozers at 10 pm.

No larger groups than 10 persons in private homes.

Is it on the rise in NY or is this just preventive measures after looking at the cluster fuck in Europe?