Coronavirus

[Anubis]

26 minutes ago, TheHowieLama said:

Half the people in Wrexham who got the virus died??

 

 

 

“Clearly you’ve never been to Wrexham.”

[Spy Bee]

18 minutes ago, TheHowieLama said:

 

 

540 cases - 252 deaths, that is an impressive mortality rate.

Very low testing in North Wales until this month. It was nigh on impossible to get a test.

[mattyq]

17 minutes ago, Mudface said:

No idea what that is, but there were 1887 new cases yesterday, and the regional breakdown is in the table I posted above.

 

 

Ah, I see what you were getting at. Thing is, not everyone is going to take the same amount of time to die, so it seem very dodgy to definitively say there was a peak before the lockdown. Who's to say the peak wouldn't have been even higher without the lockdown? Looking at the chart here- https://coronavstats.co.uk - there looks to be a sustained peak from about the 8th of April up to the 25th, with the absolute highest number of deaths recorded on the 21st. I don't think that supports what you're suggesting.

 

There's also this, from a widely used app (2 million, I think was reported) where people recorded whether they had CV-19 symptoms- https://covid.joinzoe.com/data#levels-over-time

 

 

No need for reliance on testing, the peak is quite clearly about a week after lockdown started, which fits quite nicely into the asymptomatic period.

 

Think it's pretty clear that the peak would have been a whole lot higher without the lockdown. Suggesting otherwise is magical thinking

[SilverSong]

19 minutes ago, TheHowieLama said:

 

 

540 cases - 252 deaths, that is an impressive mortality rate.

Kinell I work in Wrexham.

[TheHowieLama]

Just now, Spy Bee said:

Very low testing in North Wales until this month. It was nigh on impossible to get a test.

 Have the other towns listed had markedly more testing?

[Spy Bee]

19 minutes ago, Mudface said:

No idea what that is, but there were 1887 new cases yesterday, and the regional breakdown is in the table I posted above.

 

 

Ah, I see what you were getting at. Thing is, not everyone is going to take the same amount of time to die, so it seem very dodgy to definitively say there was a peak before the lockdown. Who's to say the peak wouldn't have been even higher without the lockdown? Looking at the chart here- https://coronavstats.co.uk - there looks to be a sustained peak from about the 8th of April up to the 25th, with the absolute highest number of deaths recorded on the 21st. I don't think that supports what you're suggesting.

 

There's also this, from a widely used app (2 million, I think was reported) where people recorded whether they had CV-19 symptoms- https://covid.joinzoe.com/data#levels-over-time

 

 

No need for reliance on testing, the peak is quite clearly about a week after lockdown started, which fits quite nicely into the asymptomatic period.

 

Slight out actually, with a mean of just over 5 days before showing symptoms. It actually backs up my point.

 

The figures I posted are from a .gov website, so why should we take your figures over mine? There is a discrepancy, but which figures are correct?

[TheHowieLama]

1 minute ago, SilverSong said:

Kinell I work in Wrexham.

Get a mask

[TheHowieLama]

Just now, Spy Bee said:

but which figures are correct?

The higher numbers.

[Spy Bee]

1 minute ago, TheHowieLama said:

 Have the other towns listed had markedly more testing?

Testing in England was a lot higher than testing in Wales. England basically outbid Wales for tests.

[Turkish Delight]

2 hours ago, Section_31 said:

To be fair there is other wacky shit going on besides lockdowns which seem to be having an impact.

 

The virus never impacted the west coast of the states to the same degree as New York and a study later found it was a different, less deadly strain.

 

There was also a report of the virus mutating to a weaker strain (uni of Arizona I think it was) which is what happened to SARS. Viruses do mutate but they tend to become weaker not stronger. Not saying that will happen but the idea of it fizzling out isn't without precedent.

I'm fairly sure SARS mutated to something more severe with a higher death rate among those who caught it which enabled it to be recognised easily and contained. I don't have the source but think it may have been a Chris Whitty presentation that I watched.

 

Basically, viruses that are mild to most people have potential to spread wider and stay around longer as people go about their daily lives when they have them and transmit them. Obviously, if it goes mild to the extent it stops killing people then that's a good thing. 

 

When something is very obviously severe from the outset it's easier to identify and contain to bring the R rate low.

[Spy Bee]

Just now, TheHowieLama said:

The higher numbers.

Why?

[Spy Bee]

Just now, Turkish Delight said:

I'm fairly sure SARS mutated to something more severe with a higher death rate among those who caught it which enabled it to be recognised easily and contained. I don't have the source but think it may have been a Christ Whitty presentation that I watched.

 

Nah, Section is right, it mutated and lost some of its potency. 

[Mudface]

1 minute ago, Spy Bee said:

Why?

Because they're the ones reported each day by the DHSC, and referred to in the daily press conferences and media. As I said, I've no idea what yours actually are.

[Spy Bee]

2 minutes ago, Mudface said:

Because they're the ones reported each day by the DHSC, and referred to in the daily press conferences and media. As I said, I've no idea what yours actually are.

Like I said, it's from a .gov website. Are the reported figures extrapolated from actual lab tests?

[TheHowieLama]

2 minutes ago, Spy Bee said:

Like I said, it's from a .gov website. Are the reported figures extrapolated from actual lab tests?

Stop messing about on .gov sites. They are run by lefties, everyone knows that.

 

Worldometers/Johns Hopkins - use those numbers.

 

 

[Spy Bee]

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

 

Has seemingly gone down now

[Mudface]

3 minutes ago, Spy Bee said:

Like I said, it's from a .gov website. Are the reported figures extrapolated from actual lab tests?

No, they're new positives from the previous day's tests.

 

 

1 minute ago, Spy Bee said:

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

 

Has seemingly gone down now

 

It's up for me, and lo and behold, right at the top of the page, the 1887 figure-

 

 

Fuck knows what that spreadsheet you keep citing is.

[Mudface]

15 minutes ago, Spy Bee said:

Nah, Section is right, it mutated and lost some of its potency. 

Did it? https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7095144/

 

I mean it may have done, but the reason it was stopped was due to strict quarantine measures- https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3099(20)30129-8/fulltext

[Spy Bee]

1 minute ago, Mudface said:

Did it? https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7095144/

 

I mean it may have done, but the reason it was stopped was due to strict quarantine measures- https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3099(20)30129-8/fulltext

No it wasn't. It stopped because it mutated. Anything else is revisionism. It burned out.

[Spy Bee]

The higher figure reported each day includes testing done by third parties. The data on the .gov website is all testing donw by governmental organisations.

[Mudface]

Just now, Spy Bee said:

The higher figure reported each day includes testing done by third parties. The data on the .gov website is all testing donw by governmental organisations.

So we need to use the higher figure then.

[Pureblood]

British holidaymakers not welcome in Greece.

 

https://www.mirror.co.uk/travel/europe/breaking-greece-bans-brits-reopens-22107424

 

 

[s(k)aturation]

 

The EU can bail them out again - for the loss of egg and bacon revenue on the islands.

[sir roger]

Some oddities there,   Portugal not on the list for instance.

 

Oh and Cyprus can fuck off after that rape case carry on.

[Section_31]

27 minutes ago, TK421 said:

British holidaymakers not welcome in Greece.

 

https://www.mirror.co.uk/travel/europe/breaking-greece-bans-brits-reopens-22107424

 

 

Ah man imagine going on holiday and there being no Brits there, glorious. Some cockney PR tried to entice us into his cafe once in Fuerteventura with the promise of 'genuine' Heinz baked beans.