Should Corbyn remain as Labour leader?

[Gnasher]

Just a few quick examples of Jewish members being thrown out of the Labour Party these past few years.

 

Page 1. Google.

 

https://policymogul.com/key-updates/13485/-large-and-growing-number-of-jewish-members-of-labour-party-suspended-or-investigated-over-antisemitism-

 

https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20221223-anti-racist-jews-critical-of-israel-expelled-by-uk-labour-during-hanukkah/

 

https://www.thejc.com/news/news/corbyns-former-jewish-community-liaison-expelled-from-labour-47G5MGewpq76IAmu5xNvBG?reloadTime=1675123200035

 

https://www.jewishnews.co.uk/jvls-naomi-wimborne-idrissi-expelled-from-labour/

 

 

https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/uk-labour-antisemitism-accused-purging-jews-over-claims

 

Many of the above were life long members. No doubt many more have been subjected to a similar humiliation. Imagine Corbyn doing anything remotely the same  

 

Although to give balance and  fairness the country is richer to have Ruth Smeeth in the House of Lords.

 

 

[TheHowieLama]

 

[sir roger]

5 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

Just a few quick examples of Jewish members being thrown out of the Labour Party these past few years.

 

Page 1. Google.

 

https://policymogul.com/key-updates/13485/-large-and-growing-number-of-jewish-members-of-labour-party-suspended-or-investigated-over-antisemitism-

 

https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20221223-anti-racist-jews-critical-of-israel-expelled-by-uk-labour-during-hanukkah/

 

https://www.thejc.com/news/news/corbyns-former-jewish-community-liaison-expelled-from-labour-47G5MGewpq76IAmu5xNvBG?reloadTime=1675123200035

 

https://www.jewishnews.co.uk/jvls-naomi-wimborne-idrissi-expelled-from-labour/

 

 

https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/uk-labour-antisemitism-accused-purging-jews-over-claims

 

Many of the above were life long members. No doubt many more have been subjected to a similar humiliation. Imagine Corbyn doing anything remotely the same  

 

Although to give balance and  fairness the country is richer to have Ruth Smeeth in the House of Lords.

 

 

 

To be fair, if you aren't in the BoD or JLM you aren't really a jewish person worth speaking to anyway so you deserve everything you get. Good on Sir Keir.

 

[Gnasher]

Their is a left wing purge going on in general within the Labour Party, full stop. 

 

The Ian Byrne types are being forced out (or being tried to be forced out) and the Christian Wakeford types are being welcomed with open arms. 

 

The problem is futher down the line is you are left with a Labour Party filled with people such as this..

 

 

 

 

[Gnasher]

I think I'd rather my MP be that fella from Sheffield who just got sent to prison.  Spent his time as an MP drinking brandy, snorting coke and smoking 60 fags and banging in dodgy expense claims to pay off local drug dealers than have Angela Smith in the video above tbh.

[Numero Veinticinco]

20 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

Just a few quick examples of Jewish members being thrown out of the Labour Party these past few years.

 

Page 1. Google.

 

https://policymogul.com/key-updates/13485/-large-and-growing-number-of-jewish-members-of-labour-party-suspended-or-investigated-over-antisemitism-

 

https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20221223-anti-racist-jews-critical-of-israel-expelled-by-uk-labour-during-hanukkah/

 

https://www.thejc.com/news/news/corbyns-former-jewish-community-liaison-expelled-from-labour-47G5MGewpq76IAmu5xNvBG?reloadTime=1675123200035

 

https://www.jewishnews.co.uk/jvls-naomi-wimborne-idrissi-expelled-from-labour/

 

 

https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/uk-labour-antisemitism-accused-purging-jews-over-claims

 

Many of the above were life long members. No doubt many more have been subjected to a similar humiliation. Imagine Corbyn doing anything remotely the same  

 

Although to give balance and  fairness the country is richer to have Ruth Smeeth in the House of Lords.

 

 

 

Any chance you can back up your claim that 'more Jewish Labour members being purged and thrown out of the party now than then'? 

[AngryOfTuebrook]

1 hour ago, Numero Veinticinco said:

Corbyn's and his leadership team - the leadership of the party - were found to have seriously failed in tackling antisemitism and the party under their leadership was found to be unlawfully discriminatory. 

That's the general way of framing the EHRC report, but it gives a perception that's not strictly true. The three counts on which the party was found to have acted unlawfully were 

 

1. The individual comments of Ken Livingstone and the (anti-Israel) Facebook posts of Cllr Pam Bromley

 

2. The Leader's Office getting too involved in the disciplinary process (generally to make sure judgements were quick and severe enough to reassure people that the party takes anti-Semitism seriously) at a time when Corbyn was getting accused of turning a blind eye to anti-Semitism.

 

3. Inadequate training for the complaints handlers.

 

I'd bet a pound to a pinch of shit that if you went digging to that extent in any UK political party, under any party leader, you'd find at least that much dirt.

 

 

 

[AngryOfTuebrook]

The finding that the interference by the Leader's Office breached the Equality Act is a bit of a kick in the balls. It feels like the Act is being stretched to find them guilty on a technicality, when the motivation was clearly to make the complaints process more effective.

[sir roger]

It was a politically-motivated piece of rubbish. 18 months of investigating every last complaint or grudge against Labour

( and people sho turned out not to be Labour ) and that's all they came up with, the three things in Angry's piece.

 

Last I heard Livingstone and ( particularly ) Bromley were being urged to take legal action against the reporters,the second one is a deliberate sleight of hand to make casual readers think Corbyn was burying complaints and 'more training required ' is in every report ever published..

 

 

 

[Numero Veinticinco]

Yeah, this is a partial look at what I've said. I'll get into it in depth again because this seems pretty dismissive. 

[Numero Veinticinco]

Just now, sir roger said:

that's all they came up with, the three things in Angry's piece

 

Oh for fucking hell's sake. 

[Bruce Spanner]

[Section_31]

Bruce in the house!

[Arniepie]

5 hours ago, Numero Veinticinco said:

 

Yes, he would have and rightly so. It's not an exact comparison because Labour itself wasn't institutionally antisemitic but it's also not miles apart. Corbyn's and his leadership team - the leadership of the party - were found to have seriously failed in tackling antisemitism and the party under their leadership was found to be unlawfully discriminatory. To turn around and your comment be that it's overblown and that you - the leader, the head of the leadership team found guilty of these things - weren't part of the problem... well, that really does get worse and worse with age. And you know what, I've not seen any real acceptance from those who defend him, not just on here but anywhere, of how bad that all actually is. It's a bit of a shit show really. 

Do you think if he would have accepted the findings,it would have blown over?

[Arniepie]

3 hours ago, AngryOfTuebrook said:

That's the general way of framing the EHRC report, but it gives a perception that's not strictly true. The three counts on which the party was found to have acted unlawfully were 

 

1. The individual comments of Ken Livingstone and the (anti-Israel) Facebook posts of Cllr Pam Bromley

 

2. The Leader's Office getting too involved in the disciplinary process (generally to make sure judgements were quick and severe enough to reassure people that the party takes anti-Semitism seriously) at a time when Corbyn was getting accused of turning a blind eye to anti-Semitism.

 

3. Inadequate training for the complaints handlers.

 

I'd bet a pound to a pinch of shit that if you went digging to that extent in any UK political party, under any party leader, you'd find at least that much dirt.

 

 

 

Said it before,the islampahobia report into the Tories was just as damaging,if not more so,yet was glossed over in Just over a day.

It is whataboutery,and it doesn't excuse the cases of anti semitism in Labour,but it's the perfect example that there is not a level playing field in this country.

[Gnasher]

Latest addition of the weekly media attack on Jeremy Corbyn. They've spoilt us with a double edition this week.

 

After last Thursdays Question time, here's the Andrew Neil show.

 

 

Here's a pic of David Baddiel attending the Boris Johnson victory party thrown by one of those nice friendly Russians. 

 

 

 

 

[Numero Veinticinco]

Not much wrong from Ed Balls there, to be honest. 

[Strontium]

10 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

Here's a pic of David Baddiel attending the Boris Johnson victory party thrown by one of those nice friendly Russians. 

 

 

It even says CHRISTMAS PARTY on the caption you blert.

 

Corbyn was invited too, although he did not attend.

[Gnasher]

18 minutes ago, Strontium said:

 

It even says CHRISTMAS PARTY on the caption you blert.

 

Corbyn was invited too, although he did not attend.

 

Well if the Russian oligarchs conveniently describe it as a Christmas party it must be true. Purely coincidentall to be held the night after the general election and attended by Boris Johnson and his team.

[Strontium]

1 minute ago, Gnasher said:

 

Well if the Russian oligarchs conveniently describe it as a Christmas party the day after it must be true. Just a coincidence to be held the night after the general election and attended by Boris Johnson and his team.

 

It's not really a coincidence that someone would hold a Christmas party on a Friday in December, is it. Pretty par for the course I would think.

[Arniepie]

5 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

 

Well if the Russian oligarchs conveniently describe it as a Christmas party it must be true. Purely coincidentall to be held the night after the general election and attended by Boris Johnson and his team.

nothing too see here  

[Gnasher]

2 minutes ago, Strontium said:

 

It's not really a coincidence that someone would hold a Christmas party on a Friday in December, is it. Pretty par for the course I would think.

 

It was apparently for the Russkies 60th birthday but it doesn't take a wild imagination to roll it into a double or triple celebration. 

 

David Cameron/Sam Cameron and a whole host of Tories were there as was a Jeremy Corbyn impersonator, who apparently waltzed around the room feeding the guests Cavier and Champagne.

[Gnasher]

4 minutes ago, Arniepie said:

nothing too see here  

 

Shame it wasn't on the tenth floor. Strange things happen when Russians go too far above ground level. Their special 'guests' don't get the use of the stairs or a lift to get back down.

[Strontium]

1 minute ago, Gnasher said:

It was apparently for the Russkies 60th birthday but it doesn't take a wild imagination to roll it into a double or triple celebration.

 

Yeah, it does actually take a wild imagination, QED.

[Arniepie]

9 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

 

Shame it wasn't on the tenth floor. Strange things happen when Russians go too far above ground level. Their special 'guests' don't get the use of the stairs or a lift to get back down.

maybe baddiel was gonna ask johnson about his book?