Should Corbyn remain as Labour leader?

[aRdja]

1 hour ago, ZonkoVille77 said:

I was only saying to a mate that the whole "anti-semitism" crisis has calmed down, weirdly coinciding to when Tom Watson got put under investigation for the Carl Beech issue...

 

Well...

 

 

Spoke too soon. A tweet supportive of Corbyn has been branded anti-semitic.

 

 

[Mudface]

I don't get it, what's anti-Semitic about that? Owen Jones is tearing Ball a new one.

[Numero Veinticinco]

1 hour ago, moof said:

Does anybody know where Starmer stands on any issue other than brexit?

Yep, I do. It’s really easy to find out, too. 

 

Aside from the fact he was knighted for services to criminal justice as a human rights lawyer, which is a good start as far as I’m concerned - both because he’s achieved such a high standing in a venerable profession and because, ya know, he’s actually had a profession - he is anti-war, pro-human rights, pro-gay rights, pro-EU, pro-raiding disability benefit, against lowering benefits, for raising taxes in banking, against raising taxes for those who it’d hurt, against lowering capital gains, against raising tuition fees.

 

He might well not be the far left person you want, and I respect that. What he looks to be, though, is potentially a much better bet for electability. Mate, I want the Tories out with a good Labour (or other) alternative, otherwise it’ll be (to you, if you want further left) better Labour opposition with a Tory government. I think 80% of a decent agenda is better than 0% of a great agenda. Starmer might well have only been in the Parliament for half a decade, but there’s plenty to say he’s a good egg. 

[Duff Man]

28 minutes ago, viRdjil said:

Spoke too soon. A tweet supportive of Corbyn has been branded anti-semitic.

 

 

That is a quite bizarre reaction.

[Jairzinho]

6 minutes ago, Numero Veinticinco said:

Yep, I do. It’s really easy to find out, too. 

 

Aside from the fact he was knighted for services to criminal justice as a human rights lawyer, which is a good start as far as I’m concerned - both because he’s achieved such a high standing in a venerable profession and because, ya know, he’s actually had a profession - he is anti-war, pro-human rights, pro-gay rights, pro-EU, pro-raiding disability benefit, against lowering benefits, for raising taxes in banking, against raising taxes for those who it’d hurt, against lowering capital gains, against raising tuition fees.

 

He might well not be the far left person you want, and I respect that. What he looks to be, though, is potentially a much better bet for electability. Mate, I want the Tories out with a good Labour (or other) alternative, otherwise it’ll be (to you, if you want further left) better Labour opposition with a Tory government. I think 80% of a decent agenda is better than 0% of a great agenda. Starmer might well have only been in the Parliament for half a decade, but there’s plenty to say he’s a good egg. 

 

I don't think Moof wants anyone on the far left, I think he's pretty happy with Corbyn.

[ZonkoVille77]

Corbyn was very good at PMQ's today.

 

BJ is getting absolutely slaughtered today. It's quite fun to watch.

[ZonkoVille77]

[clockspeed]

1 hour ago, viRdjil said:

Why?

 Corbyn whatever your own personal opinion a marmite character. Unfortunately perceptions rather than policies tend to hold sway with voters. Quite possible  Corbyn could win a general election but I feel it would be without a substantial  majority necessary for stable functional government. I was wondering if this is potential leader that could deliver a landslide ?

 

My point in general is that neither party seem to have candidates that are placed to unify party and country I was wondering if he might. 

 

 

 

 

[Numero Veinticinco]

1 minute ago, Jairzinho said:

 

I don't think Moof wants anyone on the far left, I think he's pretty happy with Corbyn.

Fair. Well, Corbyn is (at least during most of his career) far left but most of his agenda isn’t. My main issue isn’t his agenda, but his ability to deliver it. To be clear, I’d have Corbyn over Tories every day of the week and twice on a Sunday. 

 

[Bjornebye]

5 hours ago, AngryofTuebrook said:

Ughh!

I meant his lies and hypocrisy. He doesn't have any bollocks as it happens. 

[Stickman]

56 minutes ago, ZonkoVille77 said:

Corbyn was very good at PMQ's today.

 

BJ is getting absolutely slaughtered today. It's quite fun to watch.

 

 

Certainly was.....Still didn't apologise though

 

 

[Nelly-Szoboszlai]

Boris Johnson shouts at John McDonnell.

 

McDonnell: “The last time he was shouting at someone they had to call the police”.

 

ZING! 

[Duff Man]

5 minutes ago, Stickman said:

 

 

Certainly was.....Still didn't apologise though

 

 

Tbf, it would be a little ungrateful to apologise for being a racist cunt, given that's what got him the job.

[Strontium]

4 hours ago, Numero Veinticinco said:

So you've got the right and the left agreeing in this thread. What about the freedom wing, @Strontium Dog

 

You've not tagged me there, you've tagged an identity thief.

[Bjornebye]

Javid blatantly lying. Squirmy ittle cunt 

[Mudface]

I love the way they're pretending they haven't been in power for the last 9 years and that they're a brand new government dispensing largesse to make up for the nasty people who were in power before them.

[Bjornebye]

18 minutes ago, Mudface said:

I love the way they're pretending they haven't been in power for the last 9 years and that they're a brand new government dispensing largesse to make up for the nasty people who were in power before them.

The past doesn't mater unless it suits remember 

[Guest Pistonbroke]

25 minutes ago, Mudface said:

I love the way they're pretending they haven't been in power for the last 9 years and that they're a brand new government dispensing largesse to make up for the nasty people who were in power before them.

 

The Tory bastards do it every time. They dismantle things over years in office then suddenly announce they are the giving and rebuilding party, despite the mess being of their own doing. You essentially gain nothing. The me me me Party. 

[A Red]

7 hours ago, clockspeed said:

Thoughts on Starmer as leader of Labour ?

If he lowered capital gains tax, left inheritance tax alone, didnt implement a garden/mansion tax, left overhaul council tax alone and didnt go anywhere near something like clause 4, i'd vote for him

[Rico1304]

6 minutes ago, A Red said:

If he lowered capital gains tax, left inheritance tax alone, didnt implement a garden/mansion tax, left overhaul council tax alone and didnt go anywhere near something like clause 4, i'd vote for him

He’s got A levels, a degree and professional qualifications and hasn’t been cosseted in politics for 30 years.  Course the lefties don’t want him.  

[sir roger]

7 hours ago, clockspeed said:

Thoughts on Starmer as leader of Labour ?

Comes across decently on tv, if a bit smug.

 

As a chicken coup member and Owen Smith supporter ( It says a lot for Corbyn that he was rehabilitated and given such a prominent role thereafter , wouldn't happen with many political leaders ) he isn't going to become leader in the short-term unless there is change to the voting rules or the make up of the membership. If looking for a potential leader I would back to follow Corbyn I would ask myself one main question , how would that person have voted in the Austerity debate back in the day  and I reckon Sir Keir would have been following the Harman line like a shot. 

[sir roger]

8 minutes ago, Rico1304 said:

He’s got A levels, a degree and professional qualifications and hasn’t been cosseted in politics for 30 years.  Course the lefties don’t want him.  

That would give us a pool of about 2 million candidates , you might be Labour leader by the end of the year at that rate Rico. Strangely enough us lefties are more interested in the candidate's politics and trustworthiness.

[Bjornebye]

Get Burnham in. He would have made mince-meat of these cunts and brexit ages ago. 

[sir roger]

8 minutes ago, Bjornebye said:

Get Burnham in. He would have made mince-meat of these cunts and brexit ages ago. 

Once again, if he had made the right call on Austerity he would have walked the election Corbyn won.

 

Also I am not sure any politician could rise above Frankie Boyle's description of him having carved Fireman Sams face off with a chisel and wearing it over his own.

[aRdja]

4 hours ago, clockspeed said:

 Corbyn whatever your own personal opinion a marmite character. Unfortunately perceptions rather than policies tend to hold sway with voters. Quite possible  Corbyn could win a general election but I feel it would be without a substantial  majority necessary for stable functional government. I was wondering if this is potential leader that could deliver a landslide ?

 

My point in general is that neither party seem to have candidates that are placed to unify party and country I was wondering if he might. 

 

The members who voted for Corbyn to lead the party probably would vote for other MPs with values more in-line with Corbyn e.g., McDonnell, Thornberry, Abbott, Pidcock before Starmer.