Should the UK remain a member of the EU

[AngryOfTuebrook]

50 minutes ago, Arniepie said:

As a county we are moving steadily left?

What is he basing that on exactly?

 

45 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

Leaving the capitalist EU.

Taking power from one bunch of Capitalists and giving it to a more fundamentalist cult of Capitalist hardliners is not a leftward move.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

34 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

labour finally becoming as equal as capital

This isn't happening in reality.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

31 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

I don't disagree, we've seen stagnation on wages for almost two decades, it's eu/Capitalist policy, low wages, low inflation. 

It's not the EU. It's always been the UK Government who set the pay deals for the public sector and who pass the laws which ensure the power imbalance in favour of employers over employees. 

[Gnasher]

5 minutes ago, AngryOfTuebrook said:

The massive majority for the right wing of the Tory Party.

Nah he wasn't basing it on that at all.

[Gnasher]

2 minutes ago, AngryOfTuebrook said:

This isn't happening in reality.

It certainly is. 

[AngryOfTuebrook]

Just now, Gnasher said:

It certainly is. 

Hmm... Maybe it is in whatever reality you choose to live in.

[Gnasher]

1 minute ago, AngryOfTuebrook said:

It's not the EU. It's always been the UK Government who set the pay deals for the public sector and who pass the laws which ensure the power imbalance in favour of employers over employees. 

You left out the bit about it all staying within the EU framework, Italy last year being just one example.

[Gnasher]

Just now, AngryOfTuebrook said:

Hmm... Maybe it is in whatever reality you choose to live in.

Well the reality of labour shortages and wage rises as mentioned in the article for one.

[Arniepie]

40 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

If you read the article again I think he's talking about the political philosophy as a whole, mainly the correlation between labour and money, rather than any individual right wing policy from the present government.

He says as s country..we are moving fo the left.

This is patently untrue.

[Gnasher]

1 minute ago, Arniepie said:

He says as s country..we are moving fo the left.

This is patently untrue.

I know what you mean, it certainly doesn't feel like it but I think he's talking in more general economic terms, ie labour shortages/wage rises hopefully leading to more power for labour/workers in the now and near future as bosses struggle to fill positions and have to increase salaries to entice staff.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

57 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

You left out the bit about it all staying within the EU framework, Italy last year being just one example.

Which bit? When has a UK Government been prevented from improving workers' pay or rights by the EU?

[Gnasher]

As with Parris down south the penny's dropped up Scotland as well,

 

https://www.heraldscotland.com/politics/19559591.iain-macwhirter-pity-took-brexit-expose-britains-addiction-poverty/

 

 

 

[No2]

No ear buds now. 

[Gnasher]

On 04/09/2021 at 22:22, AngryOfTuebrook said:

I will.

 

Those sweatshops are literally illegal; but because Capitalist competition incentivises exploitation, laws to protect workers are only as good as the enforcement mechanisms. The only connection between this story (about British companies exploiting British and Asian workers) and Brexit is the fact that Brexit has given us a Government ideologically opposed to the enforcement of workers' rights (which they see as so much "red tape"). This shit is only going to get worse.

 

Another thing the report shows is that lovely warm EU blanket that was supposed to save us from all the bad guys was as useful as a chocolate teapot. 

[lifetime fan]

I’ll never forgive the fucking idiots who voted for this shitshow. 
 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-58494209

[Gnasher]

9 minutes ago, lifetime fan said:

I’ll never forgive the fucking idiots who voted for this shitshow. 
 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-58494209

Lets not forget the small fact Northern Ireland has received massive financial kickbacks because of Brexit. 

 

Edit; a cool billion in the back pocket, never mind the backstop,

 

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/mar/19/dup-bung-schools-hospitals-northern-ireland

 

 

[Gnasher]

Looks like Merkels party is going to take well deserved leathering at the forthcoming elections,

 

 

[Captain Willard]

The hotel i am staying in in Holland rents out wooden bicycles. This alone is a reason to stay in the EU. 

[Gnasher]

3 minutes ago, Captain Willard said:

The hotel i am staying in in Holland rents out wooden bicycles. This alone is a reason to stay in the EU. 

I like them.

[Bruce Spanner]

The dinosaur deniers are prepared to walk out of the power sharing agreement in NI as they will not accept the protocol.

 

This has the potential to be calamitous.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/sep/09/northern-ireland-dup-may-walk-out-of-stormont-power-sharing-over-brexit-protocol

So they took their bribe to help push through a flawed agreement and then they’ll turn tail as they don’t actually agree with it anyway.

 

Bravo.

 

 

[Gnasher]

11 minutes ago, Bruce Spanner said:

The dinosaur deniers are prepared to walk out of the power sharing agreement in NI as they will not accept the protocol.

 

This has the potential to be calamitous.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/sep/09/northern-ireland-dup-may-walk-out-of-stormont-power-sharing-over-brexit-protocol

So they took their bribe to help push through a flawed agreement and then they’ll turn tail as they don’t actually agree with it anyway.

 

Bravo.

 

 

Far from me to defend the DUP but a fraction of the above post is incorrect. The DUP did indeed take a hugh bung but that was off May and under certain provisions, and why shouldn't they? They screwed the British government for a great deal for Northern Ireland, that's their job..

 

Johnson and Frost have in their eyes renegaded on the promises and in doing so gave the Northern Irish government the right to do the same. 

 

Another bung on the way?

[lifetime fan]

31 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

Lets not forget the small fact Northern Ireland has received massive financial kickbacks because of Brexit. 

 

Edit; a cool billion in the back pocket, never mind the backstop,

 

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/mar/19/dup-bung-schools-hospitals-northern-ireland

 

 

Reckon peace comes before profit. 

[Gnasher]

10 minutes ago, lifetime fan said:

Reckon peace comes before profit. 

I agree.

[Gnasher]

Er I'm not sure Ursula and her boys have quiet got the right handle on this,

 

 

Whilst that twat Rees Mogg plans to let water companies pump tonnes of sewage into our rivers. Can't win. We've got form they've got form, eg, Ursula's been very fond of Saudi oil barons in the past.

 

 

This dosnt bode well at all,

 

https://www.euractiv.com/section/energy-environment/news/exclusive-brussels-ties-with-fossil-fuel-industry-revealed/

 

[Captain Willard]

2 hours ago, Gnasher said:

I like them.

So do I. If this photo had been more widely available, the remain vote would have won by a landslide.