General Election

[Strontium]

One thing I have noticed about this election after doing canvass returns in one constituency: there are a lot of wavering Labour voters out there.

 

When you canvass people, you divide them into two types of supporter - "definites" and "probable" or "soft" voters.

 

In this particular constituency, while the Lib Dems and Tories have a majority of supporters in the "definites" box (around 60%), Labour's hard support is only around 25%; the large majority are soft.

 

How well Labour do will depend largely on how many of their soft supporters they are able to retain; I can see a lot of them staying at home or switching to other parties in protest, if that happens they will be stuffed.

[Tom R]

I stand by my belief that a man has the right to take any action necessary to protect himself and his family when his home has been invaded.

 

There are civilised countries that still employ the death penalty. There is nothing wrong with capital punishment.

 

It IS a huge problem. Try living some place that has been utterly awash with immigrants this past decade, and then you might have a better idea of the problem.

 

Mate, I live in West Yorkshire, which (I don't have the stats) I imagine has some of the highest immigration numbers in the country.

I can see the pros and cons of it.

 

You refer to it all as "the problem". Can you elaborate as to why you refer to immigration as a "problem"?

 

What is the "problem" in your eyes? Is it the policy, is it the people themselves who are coming here? What is it.

 

I've stated very clearly what my main griupe with immigration is and SD was kind enough to offer me some concise and valid potential solutions and policies.

 

That sort of language - referring to the whole concept of immigration as "a problem" - just isn't helpful, and it is more in line with the sort of sweeping nonsensical statements the likes of the BNP trot out.

 

I'm not labelling you extreme or a sympathetic to the BNP, by the way, please don't think that.

But if you are going to just just plop everything under the umbrella of "problem", and not elaborate or explain your stance any better, then it's not hard to see why people say you're "extreme" or whatever.

 

Know what I mean?

By all means state your case and debate it, but sweeping generalisations, as I say, just aren't helpful.

[Cardie]

Fuck 'em all the useless twats.

 

Whether it's Labour or the Tories we're fucked.

[Strontium]

One of the definite issues with immigration is that we know (roughly) how many people are coming into the country, but we don't keep accurate records of how many go out. For reasons that escape me, the Tories abolished exit controls in 1994 and Labour haven't brought them back.

[Guest Numero Veinticinco]

I stand by my belief that a man has the right to take any action necessary to protect himself and his family when his home has been invaded.

 

That's not why I said. It is certainly not what you advocated, either. It is written into law that you can use anything, including lethal force, to protect yourself just as long as it is necessary. This isn't the issue.

 

There are civilised countries that still employ the death penalty. There is nothing wrong with capital punishment.

 

Well, that's a matter of debate. Capital punishment is extreme. Firing squad as a solution to savage violence is extreme.

 

It IS a huge problem. Try living some place that has been utterly awash with immigrants this past decade, and then you might have a better idea of the problem.

 

Patronising. I like it. I like it a lot. Where should I try living?

 

I've noticed that you've done this before. Like when you accused me of being a scrounger/unemployed because I didn't agree with forced labour camps for the unemployed. You're a total extremist joke.

[Tom R]

The Tories were probably just delighted to see the back of those darkie bastards!

 

on a serious note, you'd think that in these days of increased terrorism threats and (if the government are to be believed) dozens of disenfranchised youths going abroad to "terrorist camps" or whatever, that there'd be some pretty strict monitoring of who leaves the country.

 

In fact, I'd say it's bordering on criminally negligent that there isn't.

[WaltonRed]

I'm leaving this thread alone before I say something i regret re: Red Mist.

[Faustus]

Labour, because they're the lesser of two evils. I'd vote Lib Dems but it's pretty much a wasted vote. Plus, my local MP, Frank Field, has done some decent work for the local area so that'll do for me.

[Thomo123]

I think ive voted twice in my entire life and im 32 yrs old, i always had more important things to think about but ive thought loads more about the country i live in in the last couple of years.

 

When you hear about all the various scandals and general misbehaviour from our MP's, the way election promises are constantly forgotten about and washed away with slick PR, the way when you watch question time all you see is politicians bullshitting away good questions and refusing to give clear concise answers.....well it makes me fucking sick tbh, regardless of policy i find the idea of contributing to these cunts becoming elected abhorrent.

 

This country is going down the fucking drain, we need radical change in society as a whole. This is a massive election for this country, we need a massive change and the country controlled by people we can trust. I will not vote tory, even if they had more policys i agreed with i wouldnt trust them to deliver on anything. Labour, ideologically is probably the party i am most in tune as im a socialist at heart but i dont even know what they stand for let alone trust them. Im leaning towards lib dem, probably because i trust them more than the other major parties.

[Guest Numero Veinticinco]

This country is going down the fucking drain

 

I keep hearing this. What exactly do you mean by it? Surely for a statement so vociferous I must have missed something over the last little while.

[Thomo123]

I keep hearing this. What exactly do you mean by it? Surely for a statement so vociferous I must have missed something over the last little while.

 

Im not even looking at my own personal situation as im personally pretty happy with my life. I lost count of the amount of stories ive either heard first hand or read about.

 

Shit experiances with the NHS (especially my local hospital), shit experiances with the education system...kids not getting into certain schools, kids being bullied and teachers doing fuck all about it.

 

The fact we are getting robbed through petrol prices whilst having the worst and most expensive public transport system ive ever experianced.

 

Customer service in the public sector/services being an absolute shambles.

 

Money being frittered away left right and centre.

 

Cunt politicians taking advantage of their position left right and centre...with my fucking money!!

 

Roads that are an absolute mess.

 

A society obsessed with celebrity and wealth.

 

Thats just a few that came straight to mind, some overall issues and some which are local to where i live.

[JohnnyH]

The biggest Economic Immigrant population in Ireland is now the British. Bigger then the Polish. What can we do about this? Are we allowed throw things at them?

 

By the way. I'm with Malarkey. Vote the Party Party. Just none of dem der foreign types, or Irish.

[Tom R]

Im not even looking at my own personal situation as im personally pretty happy with my life. I lost count of the amount of stories ive either heard first hand or read about.

 

Shit experiances with the NHS (especially my local hospital), shit experiances with the education system...kids not getting into certain schools, kids being bullied and teachers doing fuck all about it.

 

The fact we are getting robbed through petrol prices whilst having the worst and most expensive public transport system ive ever experianced.

 

Customer service in the public sector/services being an absolute shambles.

 

Money being frittered away left right and centre.

 

Cunt politicians taking advantage of their position left right and centre...with my fucking money!!

 

Roads that are an absolute mess.

 

A society obsessed with celebrity and wealth.

 

Thats just a few that came straight to mind, some overall issues and some which are local to where i live.

 

haha

[razor]

It's too much effort to actually think. I mean, you have people telling me that that Cameron and Clegg are cut from the same cloth. It's so superficial, just because they're both youngish, well-spoken white men in suits. Never mind that politically they are practically the polar opposites of each other.

 

Which is an issue in itself.

 

How many people will automatically vote Labour or Tory because they always have done or because they refuse to vote for the other party? I know plenty of people that do that (including my parents) and it always amazes me. They don't seem to want to get involved in the actual policies but just tick the box they always have done?.

 

Entrenched ideology from an early age. Even if the party becomes unrecognisable from the original in policy, but retains (part) of the original name.

 

I do think the Libs deserve a chance to have a go. The other two are both morally bankrupt in my eyes.

I had as a small business man considered the Tories but as much as I think they may well look after my interests I cannot abide Osbourne. The chinless tosser.

If the Libs get a shout I hope then can actually do something to change UK pollitics

and not just make quotas for the number of lesbian disabled muslims I must employ.

 

The Lib Dems will welcome you with open arms, I'm sure. Maybe the other two are more morally bankrupt because they've had more opportunities to show their moral bankruptcy. (Paddy Pantsdown, anybody.....?)

 

I'm going to form, and vote for, the Party Party.

 

They're the party that loves to party.

 

They ran in Stoke-on-Trent in 92, I think. It was funded by Altern-8. Policy included tying speakers to all lamp-posts and playing techno every morning. Like they do in Abu Ghraib.

 

 

When you hear about all the various scandals and general misbehaviour from our MP's, the way election promises are constantly forgotten about and washed away with slick PR, the way when you watch question time all you see is politicians bullshitting away good questions and refusing to give clear concise answers.....well it makes me fucking sick tbh, regardless of policy i find the idea of contributing to these cunts becoming elected abhorrent.

 

Im leaning towards lib dem, probably because i trust them more than the other major parties.

 

There should DEFINITELY be a "None of the Above" option to register a positive protest vote (NN, I'm sticking by my guns, mate).

 

How come you trust Lim Dems?

[kelster]

I am really torn. I can't see myself voting Tories. Something about Dave that just doesn't seem honest. Well, everything really. The Labour Party deserve to be run out of town due to all their fuckups. So that leaves the Lib Dems, and that means voting for this ginger fucker.

 

[Liam]

Its a straight battle between Tory and Labour where I live so I'll be voting Labour. Until there is proportional representation in General Elections I wont ever be voting for a third party.

[redsfan]

My vote shall be for the Lib Dem's. Cant bring myself to vote Tory (out of fear I shall be shot by my family :-D) Nah quite like Lib Dem's policies plus Vince Cable took out Osbourne and Darling out the other week in chancellor debates- top bloke he is :yes:

 

So defo Lib Dem for me with Labour second if I suddenly went of the Lib dems from now till end of April.

[Original202]

My vote shall be for the Lib Dem's. Cant bring myself to vote Tory (out of fear I shall be shot by my family :-D) Nah quite like Lib Dem's policies plus Vince Cable took out Osbourne and Darling out the other week in chancellor debates- top bloke he is :yes:

 

So defo Lib Dem for me with Labour second if I suddenly went of the Lib dems from now till end of April.

 

And his name sounds like a WWE wrestler too.

[Hooch]

I haven't a clue whats going on with politics. I've always been of the opinion the less you pay attention to them the less they dictate you.

My family have always voted Labour. I asked me Ma and she just said "we don't want to let those conservative bastards in again, only care about rich people, Thatcher was a cunt etc. etc.

 

But, humour me here a minute GF. Lets say I was interested in voting this time, but didn't have a clue where to start (yes I'm quite thick) where would I start? Where would I get information on all the parties and what these parties are pledging to do if voted for?

[redsfan]

And his name sounds like a WWE wrestler too.

 

Hahaha imagine him in wrestling short against Triple H. Hhaha he would well win!!!

[redsfan]

I haven't a clue whats going on with politics. I've always been of the opinion the less you pay attention to them the less they dictate you.

My family have always voted Labour. I asked me Ma and she just said "we don't want to let those conservative bastards in again, only care about rich people, Thatcher was a cunt etc. etc.

 

But, humour me here a minute GF. Lets say I was interested in voting this time, but didn't have a clue where to start (yes I'm quite thick) where would I start? Where would I get information on all the parties and what these parties are pledging to do if voted for?

 

Best place to start I reckon would be the Labour, Conservative and Lib Dem websites and read what they stand for remember that they would have their own spin on all things but the main thing you are after is their potential policies. You could then go to some of the Newspapers- mainly the Telegraph and Guardian who are good reads, stay well clear of the Daily Mail and all the others. If you want info defo use the others mentioned. I would say then have a look at each parties manifestos but they can be long and bloody boring so maybe just stick to the web and papers. Anything else I can think of.......maybe likes of the BBC and SKY and wait for it...Wikipedia :yes: haha you get all types of history behind how politics work and how the constituencies work in the UK etc. Hahaha sorry gone off me nut a bit here. :$

[Tom R]

I haven't a clue whats going on with politics. I've always been of the opinion the less you pay attention to them the less they dictate you.

My family have always voted Labour. I asked me Ma and she just said "we don't want to let those conservative bastards in again, only care about rich people, Thatcher was a cunt etc. etc.

 

But, humour me here a minute GF. Lets say I was interested in voting this time, but didn't have a clue where to start (yes I'm quite thick) where would I start? Where would I get information on all the parties and what these parties are pledging to do if voted for?

 

perfectly valid question and is itself a damning indictment of modern politics that even in this day of free information via the internet, people are still unsure where they can view a party's manifesto.

 

Why don't the main parties, when given the opportunities in the medis, just constantly refer people to their website and places that the public can view their respective manifestos?? to me that's just common sense.

 

Personally, I can't abide seeing the likes of Cameron and Brown act like kids in parliament, waving paper about in the air and jeering like 9 year olds scoring points, but I would take a little time to read something interesting in my own time if I was told to do it enough times.

 

FFS, I even visited Go Compare today as that fat cunt with the shit tash told me to do it enough times!

 

Anyhoo, Hooch, here is an archive site that lists all the parties manifestos past and present.

British Party Election Manifestos since 1945

 

take note of previous manifestos of the parties that have come to power on the back of them and see how much they actually followed through on and honoured when they had their term...

[Hooch]

Cheers Tom. I will have a good read through that. I think I'm going to vote this time.

[Section_31]

probably because they don't have a manifesto tom. The tory website just has a picture of cameron modeling various bicycle helmets with the word "change" next to it. Change what? The people you shit on because there's no miners left?

[Hand Shandy]

Maybe he means changing bicycle helmets?

 

Good ol' Dave...