Israel - A Rant

[A Red]

4 minutes ago, Jack the Sipper said:

 

 

I only just now responded to what Corbyn said after seeing people on here praising him. I haven't seen anyone do that with Starmer or Sunak. I just can't get with this idea that Corbyn's a peace-loving pacifist when he talks about 'the only means of achieving peace' is for one side to walk away with its tail between its legs. It isn't going to happen in the real world, no matter how much he wants it to. 

This is the point. Corbyn comes out with stuff that any decent person could but with no real understanding of how to go about a solution, he just posts meaningless shit. Like you, I only brought him up because he was praised on here. 

[Poor Scouser T]

Just now, Bjornebye said:

What in the flying fuck had that got to do with what I said? “Read your history” go and take another top off selfie you fucking droid 

You are a dirty prick when you have no argument. Your only response when challenged on an intellectual level is to fire of what you seem to think is and insulting comment. You argue like a 10 year old boy.

[Bjornebye]

2 minutes ago, Poor Scouser T said:

You are a dirty prick when you have no argument. Your only response when challenged on an intellectual level is to fire of what you seem to think is and insulting comment. You argue like a 10 year old boy.

Ok then Hulk. Explain to me what relevance mentioning how Israel came to be is in anyway connected to me disagreeing that you think they want peace in the region. Now I’ll wait for you to go off on another tangent because you can’t challenge a direct opposite view to your ramblings. 
 

It’s only the second time I’ve asked. 

[Arniepie]

12 minutes ago, Jack the Sipper said:

 

 

I only just now responded to what Corbyn said after seeing people on here praising him. I haven't seen anyone do that with Starmer or Sunak. I just can't get with this idea that Corbyn's a peace-loving pacifist when he talks about 'the only means of achieving peace' is for one side to walk away with its tail between its legs. It isn't going to happen in the real world, no matter how much he wants it to. 

it was more to do with the fact that he called for a ceasefire and he got all sorts of shit from the usual sources.

[Poor Scouser T]

It is not a ranting it is facts you don't seem capable of grasping. Tell me which sovereign states land is Israel invading?

[Bjornebye]

Just now, Poor Scouser T said:

It is not a ranting it is facts you don't seem capable of grasping. Tell which sovereign states land is Israel invading?

You can’t even string a sentence together. Show me where I’ve said anything about a sovereign nation. You’re all over the place here and you’re accusing me of arguing like a child? I’d rather not be even bothering with you in this thread for grown ups but as it’s been infiltrated by some absolute Lob-ons it’s only right they they get challenged. 
 

Now for the third time ….. answer my question 

[Nelly-Szoboszlai]

39 minutes ago, Arniepie said:

isnt the occupation the core of the entire issue?

Of course it is. Israel could wipe out Hamas tomorrow but the issue would still exist and someone else would step into the void. And the cycle would continue. Until that bastard independent backbench MP got off his arse, stopped making jam and sorted it all out. 

[Section_31]

Have to take my hat off to the GF trying to solve the Isrsel/Palestinian question. It's definitely worth a go.

[Nelly-Szoboszlai]

10 minutes ago, Poor Scouser T said:

It is not a ranting it is facts you don't seem capable of grasping. Tell me which sovereign states land is Israel invading?

You’re telling us how Israel came into existence. In 1948. Are the parameters of present day Israel the same as 1948 Israel? 
 

If not, why not? 

[Poor Scouser T]

You said invading. They are not invading anyone. They are settling in land they rightly or wrongly believe they have a legitimate right to claim as was encouraged by the British.

Do I agree with their actions?  No

Do I agree with the treatment of the Palestinians. Fuck no.

Do I thing the Palestinians have a legitimate reason to fight oppression. Yes 

 

Do I think Israel wants to live in peace. Yes I do. They are surrounded by states who want them pushed into the sea. Indiscriminate missile launches in the 1000's. Off course they react. Is overwhelming force justified? Not sure here but it is the playbook all heavily miliarised states have used for centuries us included.

Even Sun Tzu in the art of war 2500 years ago says if war is inevitable and unavoidable be the fist to hit and hit as hard as your forces allow.

 

That answer your question?

[Arniepie]

2 minutes ago, Poor Scouser T said:

You said invading. They are not invading anyone. They are settling in land they rightly or wrongly believe they have a legitimate right to claim as was encouraged by the British.

Do I agree with their actions?  No

Do I agree with the treatment of the Palestinians. Fuck no.

Do I thing the Palestinians have a legitimate reason to fight oppression. Yes 

 

Do I think Israel wants to live in peace. Yes I do. They are surrounded by states who want them pushed into the sea. Indiscriminate missile launches in the 1000's. Off course they react. Is overwhelming force justified? Not sure here but it is the playbook all heavily miliarised states have used for centuries us included.

Even Sun Tzu in the art of war 2500 years ago says if war is inevitable and unavoidable be the fist to hit and hit as hard as your forces allow.

 

That answer your question?

im not an expert but isnt one of the main issues,they are kicking palestinians out of their homes?

[Bjornebye]

6 minutes ago, Poor Scouser T said:

You said invading. They are not invading anyone. They are settling in land they rightly or wrongly in land they believe they have a legitimate right to claim as was encouraged by the British.

Do I agree with their actions?  No

Do I agree with the treatment of the Palestinians. Fuck no.

Do I thing the Palestinians have a legitimate reason to fight oppression. Yes 

 

Do I think Israel wants to live in peace. Yes I do. They are surrounded by states who want them pushed into the sea. Indiscriminate missile launches in the 1000's. Off course they react. Is overwhelming force justified? Not sure here but it is the playbook all heavily miliarised states have used for centuries us included.

Even Sun Tzu in the art of war 2500 years ago says if war is inevitable and unavoidable be the fist to hit and hit as hard as your forces allow.

 

That answer your question?

Hahahahaha Sun fucking Tzu truly amazing. It’s like when pundits get asked to shoe-horn a Madonna song into their analysis this. 
 

How an invading nation (for whatever reason they choose to try and justify it) can be considered in the same post to want peace given that they are responsible for a blockade and even Amnesty have called them an apartheid regime is some stretch even by GF standards. All we need now is Gnasher to come in and blame it on Ursula and the EU. 

[Bjornebye]

2 minutes ago, Arniepie said:

im not an expert but isnt one of the main issues,they are kicking palestinians out of their homes?

According to Sun Tzu “kick a woman out of her home, arrest her son and bulldoze it in-front of her face for divine peace” 

[Poor Scouser T]

2 minutes ago, Arniepie said:

im not an expert but isnt one of the main issues,they are kicking palestinians out of their homes?

They way the Palestinians are treated is unacceptable.

The day following the declaration of the state of Israel they were invaded by Egypt, Jordan Sryia, Lebanon and Iraq. What would you do after that?

[Planet Origi]

[Poor Scouser T]

12 minutes ago, Planet Origi said:

If a viable Palestinian state was established would the Muslim / Arab world accept the State of Israel?

[Gnasher]

This is their veiw (thread)

 

 

 

 

 

[Nelly-Szoboszlai]

4 minutes ago, Poor Scouser T said:

If a viable Palestinian state was established would the Muslim / Arab world accept the State of Israel?

Iran and Lebanon, probably not. But, as there seems to be a move towards a normalisation of relations between some Arab states and Israel without Palestinian statehood on the horizon, then you’d imagine such a development in the future might advance the process even further. 

[Poor Scouser T]

Just now, Nelly-Matip said:

Iran and Lebanon, probably not. But, as there seems to be a move towards a normalisation of relations between some Arab states and Israel without Palestinian statehood on the horizon, then you’d imagine such a development in the future might advance the process even further. 

Appreciate your balanced sensible answer I was however looking to get PO's opinion. He does not seem very receptive to answering legitimate questions.

[Bjornebye]

That video of people dancing at a music festival with the paragliders in the distance is one of the most chilling things I've ever seen. And I remember Luke Chadwick 

[Jurgen Knows]

14 minutes ago, Poor Scouser T said:

If a viable Palestinian state was established would the Muslim / Arab world accept the State of Israel?

The Arabs already proposed this in 2002. The Israelis refused it.

 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_Peace_Initiative

 

The Israelis come to your home, throw you out, pretend it is theirs, tell you that as a sign of goodwill you can still use the toilet in the backyard, and then wonder why you do not accept this generosity.

[Poor Scouser T]

2 minutes ago, Jurgen Knows said:

The Arabs already proposed this in 2002. The Israelis refused it.

 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_Peace_Initiative

 

The Israelis come to your home, throw you out, pretend it is theirs, tell you that as a sign of goodwill you can still use the toilet in the backyard, and then wonder why you do not accept this generosity.

Hamas rejected it

[Jurgen Knows]

Just now, Poor Scouser T said:

Hamas rejected it

The Israelis rejected it.

[Poor Scouser T]

1 minute ago, Jurgen Knows said:

The Israelis rejected it.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2013/5/3/hamas-rejects-arab-league-peace-initiative

 

The Palestinian Hamas movement has rejected a revised Middle East peace initiative put forward by the Arab League, saying outsiders can not decide the fate of the Palestinians.

In meetings this week in Washington, Arab states appeared to soften their 2002 peace plan, acknowledging that Israelis and Palestinians may have to swap land in any eventual peace deal.

The United States and the Palestinian leadership in the occupied West Bank praised the move. But speaking to hundreds of worshippers in a mosque in the Gaza Strip on Friday, senior Hamas official Ismail Haniyeh said it was a concession that other Arabs were not authorised to make.

“The so-called new Arab initiative is rejected by our people, by our nation and no one can accept it,” Haniyeh, prime minister of the Hamas government in the coastal enclave, said.

[Arniepie]

500 israelis killed

 

fucking hell this is gonna be bad.