Cancel Culture

[aRdja]

5 minutes ago, Rico1304 said:

Is it bollocks, it’s the entire basis for defamation laws.  Your inability to grasp the most basic of concepts, and then insistence in doubling down is incredible.  It’s the ‘stab him in the front’ argument all over again. 

Again, focus on the topic Rico... not on me. It’s way more interesting. You seem to really struggle with that for some reason. If you couldn’t handle an article calling you unpleasant then okay that’s fine, but have the self-awareness not to cry about ‘cancel culture’. Noam Chomsky never sues for libel.

[Rico1304]

8 minutes ago, aRdja said:

Again, focus on the topic Rico... not on me. It’s way more interesting. You seem to really struggle with that for some reason. If you couldn’t handle an article calling you unpleasant then okay that’s fine, but have the self-awareness not to cry about ‘cancel culture’. Noam Chomsky never sues for libel.

I honestly give in. You may have read both articles, but you sure as hell didn’t understand either of them.   
 

Who cares what he’s chosen to do so far? That he has the option to sue means that people are kept more honest.  

[aRdja]

24 minutes ago, Rico1304 said:

I honestly give in. You may have read both articles, but you sure as hell didn’t understand either of them.   
 

Who cares what he’s chosen to do so far? That he has the option to sue means that people are kept more honest.  

Don’t give in... it’s an interesting discussion. Do you believe this article warrants a law suit? If so, please explain why.
 

Do you not think her threatening to sue the site, demanding apology, makes her previous stance on ‘cancel culture’ a bit confused?

[John102]

Take it to the drugs thread, you plebs

[Duff Man]

Weird how it's almost impossible to stop hearing the opinions of all these people who've been silenced.

[VERBAL DIARRHEA]

Cancelled my Disney site yesterday. Can just come on here and read what Dumbo is saying instead.

[Rico1304]

3 minutes ago, Duff Man said:

Weird how it's almost impossible to stop hearing the opinions of all these people who've been silenced.

You didn’t read the open letter did you?  

[aRdja]

4 minutes ago, Colonel Kurtz said:

I haven’t read the article but judging solely  by their apology, I think the article went a lot further than calling her unpleasant. I think they said she was “harming trans people” and compared her celebrity status to Wagner’s support for anti Semitics. That’s a pretty dumb thing to say about a billionaire who can outspend you on lawyers. No wonder they retracted it. She does get a lot of shit on twitter and rarely ever sues so she’s not a good example of hypocrisy. 

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/books/news/jk-rowling-trans-people-row-apology-transphobia-the-day-harry-potter-a9635346.html%3famp

The article is up there. Wouldn’t it have been much more insightful and in the spirit of free speech and “anti-cancel culture” if she just published a rebuttal?

[Duff Man]

1 minute ago, Rico1304 said:

You didn’t read the open letter did you?  

I did, but it wasn't a comment on that.

[cloggypop]

5 minutes ago, Duff Man said:

Weird how it's almost impossible to stop hearing the opinions of all these people who've been silenced.

I know, wish cunts would stop quoting him. 

[Duff Man]

Just now, cloggypop said:

I know, wish cunts would stop quoting him. 

Haha.

[SasaS]

14 minutes ago, Colonel Kurtz said:

I haven’t read the article but judging solely  by their apology, I think the article went a lot further than calling her unpleasant. I think they said she was “harming trans people” and compared her celebrity status to Wagner’s support for anti Semitics. That’s a pretty dumb thing to say about a billionaire who can outspend you on lawyers. No wonder they retracted it. She does get a lot of shit on twitter and rarely ever sues so she’s not a good example of hypocrisy. 

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/books/news/jk-rowling-trans-people-row-apology-transphobia-the-day-harry-potter-a9635346.html%3famp

I am quite impressed that a children's site felt the need to discuss this issue. Well I say discuss, it is more of a hatchet job on Rowling. On one hand, I don't know how libelous it is, on the other, presenting her in such a light would be an example of "cancel culture". Dear children, look at this unpleasant woman harming trans people, can you still enjoy her books and for that matter, should you really, hint, hint.

[Duff Man]

Although speaking of the letter, it was quite funny that they took a vote on whether Glen Greenwald should be allowed to sign it and decided he shouldn't. Incredible stuff.

[Rico1304]

12 minutes ago, cloggypop said:

I know, wish cunts would stop quoting him. 

“I wish people on this site I use for free would do the thing I want.”

[Duff Man]

Imagine being cancelled by the anti-cancellers. That's gotta be tough.

[aRdja]

5 minutes ago, SasaS said:

I am quite impressed that a children's site felt the need to discuss this issue. Well I say discuss, it is more of a hatchet job on Rowling. On one hand, I don't know how libelous it is, on the other, presenting her in such a light would be an example of a "cancel culture". Dear children, look at this unpleasant woman harming trans people, can you still enjoy her books and for that matter, should you really, hint, hint.

The article is just asking a question no? I ask this question all the time myself.. I like Jay Electronica and he revealed himself to be anti-semitic today, would it be right for me to contribute to enjoy his music? I’m not so sure.. I’m a massive fan of the Beatles and John Lennon used make anti-semitic remarks all the time allegedly... I don’t think I could give the Beatles up unfortunately, but it’s an interesting discussion IMO.

[Bjornebye]

6 hours ago, Audrey Witherspoon said:

Bollocks, utter bollocks. You can disagree with a standpoint, and defend your own viewpoint as long as it is done in a respectful manner, which I believe JKR did.

this is the same as saying any discussion of Palestine is anti-Semitic. It’s the Tory argument, you can’t be a socialist you live in a house, call yourself a leftie but you watch TV. The details are where the important shit is, and cancel culture neglects this, which often pays out for the political right. You have to bring your own game, and support others who do the same. All arguments are up for discussion if they are handled respectfully. The current problems lie with the supposedly independent arbiters - generally the public and the press, problems arise when the press don’t act independently nor in the best interests of their supposed audience.

What a load of shite. 

 

In that case if she has a standpoint on something so sensitive and wishes to share it with her 14 million followers (to achieve what I don't know) then she should expect and deal with the backlash. Its kicking a wasps nest then moaning that you have been stung by one of them. 

[Rico1304]

2 minutes ago, Bjornebye said:

What a load of shite. 

 

In that case if she has a standpoint on something so sensitive and wishes to share it with her 14 million followers (to a chief what I don't know) then she should expect and deal with the backlash. Its kicking a wasps nest then moaning that you have been stung by one of them. 

Sticking up for women’s rights is kicking a wasps nest?  Really.  

[cloggypop]

2 hours ago, Pidge said:

Yeah, saw that yesterday. The Culture Abuse bit reminds me of how Smith Street Band took themselves out of circulation for a while. But then you read about the wider picture, the way the age-inclusive approach mixed with generally small gigs... ugh. You know that the vast majority of people taking advantage are the dickhead hangers-on that try way too hard to maintain the cliques as well.  They'll be the fuckers that'll just move on to the next scene they can manipulate scot-free.

 

Guess it's the same as many self-imposed gatekeepers in society. The mid-00s indie scene was the absolute worst for that kind of creep, anyone with an undersized leather and lack of a haircut had free run at being a cunt.

Liverpool music journalist and head of Get Into This, Peter Guy, got cancelled a couple of weeks ago for being a bit of a creepy sexpest. Website has gone and the other uninvolved people have set up a new one. I did suggest Get Out Of That to a mate who writes for it but they didn't want the association. 

[Bjornebye]

6 minutes ago, Rico1304 said:

Sticking up for women’s rights is kicking a wasps nest?  Really.  

By kicking a wasps nest I mean saying something (I'm not getting into the rights or wrongs of what she said, I'm not that arsed either way personally and we have a whole thread dedicated to it) that is going to provoke a divided reaction. She is a clever woman. She knew full well that she was going to divide option and twitter being the cesspit that it is she was always going to get negative backlash too it. Rightly or wrongly, thats they way of the world now. She new that when she started tweeting. To then say "Oh hang on people are having a go at me and I might not sell as many books please please cancel cancel culture" is pure arrogance. 

 

 

 

 

[Dr Arthur De Sabre]

7 minutes ago, Bjornebye said:

What a load of shite. 

 

In that case if she has a standpoint on something so sensitive and wishes to share it with her 14 million followers (to achieve what I don't know) then she should expect and deal with the backlash. Its kicking a wasps nest then moaning that you have been stung by one of them. 

You can’t seriously hold that view point and at the same time support Corbyn in the Palestinian cause yer div.

its cognitive dissonance they are moral equivalents.

[Rico1304]

Just now, Bjornebye said:

By kicking a wasps nest I mean saying something (I'm not getting into the rights or wrongs of what she said, I'm not that arsed either way personally and we have a whole thread dedicated to it) that is going to provoke a divided reason. She is a clever woman. She knew full well that she was going to divide option and twitter being the cesspit that it is she was always going to get negative backlash too it. Rightly or wrongly, thats they way of the world now. She new that when she started tweeting. To then say "Oh hang on people are having a go at me and I might not sell as many books please please cancel cancel culture" is pure arrogance. 

 

 

That’s not what she said mate. At all. 

[aRdja]

6 minutes ago, Rico1304 said:

Sticking up for women’s rights is kicking a wasps nest?  Really.  

You’re not going to explain why you think the article is libellous?

[Bjornebye]

Just now, Audrey Witherspoon said:

You can’t seriously hold that view point and at the same time support Corbyn in the Palestinian cause yer div.

its cognitive dissonance they are moral equivalents.

I think you'll find I can hold whatever viewpoint I want. I support Corby's stance on Palestine. I disagree with him being called an anti-semite because of his views but I agree its par for the cause. The Palestine thing isn't the main reason he gets backlash from Jews anyway. 

[Bjornebye]

1 minute ago, Rico1304 said:

That’s not what she said mate. At all. 

Rico - She was divisive. Plain and simple. I personally don't think she said anything wrong but there is a world of nutters out there particularly in the LGBTQ community who go looking for outrage, an absolute multitude of them and she fucking knows that. My point is that she can't expect to pass off an opinion on a sensitive subject on such a high platform and not expect to deal with some negative backlash. How is this not simple to understand?