Should Corbyn remain as Labour leader?

[Rico1304]

Why? Because I was in the top set for maths from 11-15, and then dropped down a set in my final year at high school?

I had the opportunity to go to the local grammar school when I left primary, but chose not to as none of my friends were going there.

I left secondary school with 2 A's, 4 B's, a C, and an F (I'm proud of that F - the teacher was a cunt), got two A's and a B at A-level, and a 2:1 degree.

How high are your standards for high achievers?

I'm not knocking you, but wouldn't say you were a high achiever - would you? I'd put high achievers as say the top 10%, do you honestly think you are in the top 10% in your local area?

[Rico1304]

Wait, so are we supposed to listen to your mates or experts now? I'm confused.

Then you're clearly easily confused and will be welcomed in open arms in the middle level schools.

[Hand Shandy]

I'm not knocking you, but wouldn't say you were a high achiever - would you? I'd put high achievers as say the top 10%, do you honestly think you are in the top 10% in your local area?

Not particularly, but I'm not thick and I wasn't a little cunt.

 

By your reasoning, seemingly I belong in the school for them though.

 

Or are you proposing yet another level of education?

[Rico1304]

Not particularly, but I'm not thick and I wasn't a little cunt.

By your reasoning, seemingly I belong in the school for them though.

Or are you proposing yet another level of education?

I'd say top level (10%)

Us (80%)

Cunts and thickos (10%)

[Hand Shandy]

If all the cunts and thickos are in their own borstal, sorry school, why do the top 10% need to be going somewhere else?

[setreal]

Then you're clearly easily confused and will be welcomed in open arms in the middle level schools.

 

Well, about time I did some of that stuff I guess.

[skend04]

My sister in law is the head of one in Manchester.

Definitely a job I couldn't do.

[Rico1304]

If all the cunts and thickos are in their own borstal, sorry school, why do the top 10% need to be going somewhere else?

Because we'd be slowing them down.

[Hand Shandy]

Why?

 

If you've eradicated the 'problem' kids and all the ones left are little angels who only want to work hard and not get in trouble, streaming/setting is a perfectly acceptable means of identifying the top performing students and creating an environment where they are challenged.

[Rico1304]

Why?

If you've eradicated the 'problem' kids and all the ones left are little angels who only want to work hard and not get in trouble, streaming/setting is a perfectly acceptable means of identifying the top performing students and creating an environment where they are challenged.

i feel that the top 10% should be given the opportunity to learn at their own pace with specialist teachers and support. You don't, so what.

[thegreatelephant]

not aimed at anyone in particular, but shool days were all the more memorable for the range of abilities, backgrounds and attitudes you would come across. went to a Comprehensive that did setting too, but you'd all mix day to day. any form of 'apartheid' that does not embrace those same qualities is not for me or my lad, that's for sure. it should be all part of socialisation.

 

all very subjective of course but i think people mistrust or abuse what they don't know and society suffers for it in general when deliberate separation takes place.

 

each to their own.

 

like that old c4 programme 'After Dark' unlikely alliances can form through face to face discussion and that can also be fascinating. it's a shame there is not more of that thinking rather than less of it. some of these bubbles people live in can prevent that i suppose

[Section_31]

Some of the sharpest people around aren't academic. Richard Branson, Bill Gates. Einstein could't speak properly until he was nine. 

 

The notion of what 'is' and 'isn't' intelligence is muddied. You could get a kid into a grammar school because you're minted and pay for a tutor to tell him - word for word - what questions to expect and how to answer them. Meanwhile you could get a kid who's so bright he can't concentrate on work, super intelligent kids often 'act up' because their minds are elsewhere, leading to them not being able to progress through traditional education. 

 

Building a nation of parrots isn't what it's supposed to be about.  

[Strontium]

Or, perhaps I still know these people, well the ones that are still alive. Perhaps my parents, and parents of other kids at the school spoke to the teachers and they gave their opinions which as I've got older and watched them die or get into drugs or go to prison have been passed on to me.

 

Mum: Jason Austin came into work today to get housed. He's just come out of prison again.

Me: he broke into a house when he was 12 and spread shit all over the walls. Him and 2 others. When he was 14 he tried to burn down the school opposite.

Mum: mrs bevan was scared of him at primary school

 

That happened.

Yeah, but Jason Austin could still become a university professor, so silly to write him off...

[cloggypop]

You thickos should start a separate grammar school thread.

[Mook]

Some of the sharpest people around aren't academic. Richard Branson, Bill Gates. Einstein could't speak properly until he was nine. 

 

The notion of what 'is' and 'isn't' intelligence is muddied. You could get a kid into a grammar school because you're minted and pay for a tutor to tell him - word for word - what questions to expect and how to answer them. Meanwhile you could get a kid who's so bright he can't concentrate on work, super intelligent kids often 'act up' because their minds are elsewhere, leading to them not being able to progress through traditional education. 

 

Building a nation of parrots isn't what it's supposed to be about.  

 

[Strontium]

Hang on, who mentioned inferior education? I didn't. Appropriate education paced at the right level.

People read what they want. You write "appropriate"; someone reads "inferior". I write "rest of the class"; someone reads "me alone".

 

Anything that helps them cling on to their fictions.

[Jenson]

Some of the sharpest people around aren't academic. Richard Branson, Bill Gates. Einstein could't speak properly until he was nine. 

 

The notion of what 'is' and 'isn't' intelligence is muddied. You could get a kid into a grammar school because you're minted and pay for a tutor to tell him - word for word - what questions to expect and how to answer them. Meanwhile you could get a kid who's so bright he can't concentrate on work, super intelligent kids often 'act up' because their minds are elsewhere, leading to them not being able to progress through traditional education. 

 

Building a nation of parrots isn't what it's supposed to be about.  

 

Absolutely. I would probably be classed as top 10%, maybe 5%, in academic terms because I have a Ph.D. Conversely, I have about as much business sense as a snail.

Our definition of intelligence is way too narrow. Talent is what really counts.

[thegreatelephant]

Absolutely. I would probably be classed as top 10%, maybe 5%, in academic terms because I have a Ph.D. Conversely, I have about as much business sense as a snail.

Our definition of intelligence is way too narrow. Talent is what really counts.

[Jenson]

 

I can't sing either.

[Guest Pistonbroke]

I bet you sing it to your blow up doll on a daily basis mate. 

[cloggypop]

I just Googled Dr. Jenson. This was the first picture

 

 

http://www.colonicirrigation.net/images/drjensenphoto.jpeg

 

and is now how I will always imagine Jenson.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

People read what they want. You write "appropriate"; someone reads "inferior". I write "rest of the class"; someone reads "me alone".

 

Anything that helps them cling on to their fictions.

Pity the poor misunderstood genius.

[Hades]

I got A's and A+'s at every level and finished in the top 1% of school leavers in my state. Went to a good law school and had to drop out because of depression. If I had developed my problems in early childhood instead of early 20's, I would probably be an alcoholic, drug addict or in prison. The early years are so, so crucial to your entire future, you lay down patterns in your brain that last a lifetime. You cannot leave any child behind.

[Section_31]

Absolutely. I would probably be classed as top 10%, maybe 5%, in academic terms because I have a Ph.D. Conversely, I have about as much business sense as a snail.

Our definition of intelligence is way too narrow. Talent is what really counts.

 

I think it's a rich tapestry. Someone like Alan Turing may have had the brains to crack codes and design a computer, but more than likely needed people to organise his thoughts and help him build and design it, otherwise we'd all be speaking German and he'd still be trying to figure out where to put the plug (Matron!).

 

There's an absolute need for academic people who thrive at school and university, but to define someone who doesn't thrive in those environments as automatically 'not clever' is daft. We should be encouraging people to give what they can, in any way they can.

 

Thanks to Gove though, I believe things like art history A levels were phased out and the curriculum was reshaped along some kind of 50s learning by rote model. The irony is there, that the Chinese are notoriously bereft of original business ideas as opposed to the West,  much of that is often attributed to the fact they're taught to lean and repeat, while our kids are (were) taught composition and encouraged to express their own creativity and ideas. 

[mattyq]

I went to a Grammar school - St Eddies in West Derby

Had a great if a little limited education and went on to teach for a while in both Comps and a Grammar school

Think they are a product of their time ie the 19th and 20th century and not ideal for today's world

Give me a good Comp any day...a much wider range of people of both sexes and capable of dealing with children of all abilities