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14 minutes ago, Mudface said:

Quite.

 

Sadly got exposed to one of the moron's link's there in the quoted post. Notice how it's well over a year old? 

Every article on the subject or even tenuously linked that he posts is a year or 2 old. 

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3 minutes ago, skend04 said:

Every article on the subject or even tenuously linked that he posts is a year or 2 old. 

Don't worry about carpenters wages, they're doing fine. You keep watching them meat aisles for them nasty poor people.

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4 minutes ago, skend04 said:

Every article on the subject or even tenuously linked that he posts is a year or 2 old. 

That's odd, it seems all the rests of his endless Tweet posts on here are up to date. I wonder why.

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1 minute ago, Mudface said:

That's odd, it seems all the rests of his endless Tweet posts on here are up to date. I wonder why.

I'd wager carpenters are doing a bit better than a cretin like you Muggy. 

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6 hours ago, Mudface said:

That's odd, it seems all the rests of his endless Tweet posts on here are up to date. I wonder why.

It's a pattern amongst leave voters. Next he'll be saying wait 50 years and then we'll see who was right.  

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Gnasher is a remainer. He only comes on to debate this issue. Best thing to do is let him call you a stupid Tory cunt and post 50 links to four tweets, then move on. You’re all arguing a point you know - you KNOW - is right. What is there to gain. He’s a fringe benefits cunt. Ignore it. There’s absolute nothing, no thing, that can change his mind, because it’s not based on what is, but what he wants. It’s futile, and everyone else on here already knows you’re right and he’s wrong. So unless you’re determined to convince him, you’re shouting at a wall. 

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1 minute ago, Numero Veinticinco said:

Gnasher is a remainer. He only comes on to debate this issue. Best thing to do is let him call you a stupid Tory cunt and post 50 links to four tweets, then move on. You’re all arguing a point you know - you KNOW - is right. What is there to gain. He’s a fringe benefits cunt. Ignore it. 

You're still a coward so do one.

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On 04/08/2022 at 13:02, mattyq said:

18 month recession

We're fucked but at least we've got those lovely new black passports

 

And crowns on pint glasses. And new signage in the Dartford Tunnel.

 

In another five years time we've might have enough Brexit benefits to compile our own 'What have the Roman's ever done for us?' style list, albeit a really really shit one.

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Another Brexit bonus. Getting tired of all these wins now.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/aug/06/british-farmers-face-paying-for-border-checkpoints-in-eu-after-brexit-halts-exports

 



British farmers face paying for border checkpoints in EU after Brexit halts exports
Pedigree livestock breeders in Britain could be forced to spend millions of pounds to build facilities in France for ‘red tape’ checks by vets so their animals are allowed to enter the single market
British farmers exporting livestock to the continent are trying to set up facilities for “red tape” checks by vets in France costing millions of pounds – and may even pay for it themselves.

Breeders in Britain are unable to export their pedigree cattle, sheep and pigs to the EU because no one has built any border control posts where vets can check the animals before they enter the single market.

No private company in France has been prepared so far to invest the millions of euros needed to build a facility, bringing British exports to the European mainland to a halt since Brexit.

Now the National Farmers’ Union (NFU) is planning to ask farmers if they will help fund the facility themselves. Meanwhile, some breeders say they have only months left before shutting down their export operations, while others are relocating to the EU.

John Royle, chief livestock adviser to the NFU, has been trying to rescue British farmers who specialise in breeding prize-winning cattle, sheep and pigs that are then used to establish their own herds and flocks.

“These are high-value, highly sought-after, high-health animals,” he said. “They travel in better conditions than you or I would do on a ferry or in the tunnel. When you consider what Brexit has cost countries on both sides of the border, with a modest investment we could restart trade to the benefit of both British and European livestock producers.”
The problems with being a third country have become clearer for travellers at Dover, with six-hour delays last month caused by checks on British passports and a lack of border posts. But ports in the UK and the EU have at least taken some steps to prepare for Brexit bureaucracy affecting tourists. Not so for livestock.

In 2019, Royle began writing to ports from the Hook of Holland and Zeebrugge to Calais and Dieppe, asking them to set up a facility, but none of them was interested. Eventually, he found a small French family firm called Qualivia that was prepared to apply to build a facility in Calais just outside the port.

Qualivia, which Royle described as “really good livestock people”, has received permission from the French authorities and is expecting to have approval from the European Commission soon.

But the firm has asked for assurances that it will recoup the cost of building a border control post, amid fears about the future of UK livestock exports.

“Effectively, what we’re doing now is helping Qualivia find the funds to build that infrastructure,” Royle said. “And that may need an investment from UK businesses. Which is a ridiculous thing, isn’t it? Because of Brexit we are having to fund our own facilities in France to get our animals to European customers.”

He added that although officials from the Department for the Environment, Food and Rural Affairs (Defra) had tried to be helpful, “there’s been no help from government. None at all.”

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British breeders used to send about 500 consignments a year, ranging from a single Aberdeen Angus breeding bull or a pair of ewes to 30 breeding pigs.

Royle is helping a pig breeder who set up in England because of its high animal health standards: “This is a large pig-breeding business where they breed nucleus animals, at the top of the breeding pyramid, and they may need to relocate to Europe, effectively closing down their UK business, which is not what they want to do.”

Another victim of the absence of red tape is Geoff Roper, who imported Australian Lowline cattle to his Dorset farm, Wessex Lowlines, 12 years ago, seeing the potential of a breed that is smaller than other cattle and usually only needs to be fed on grass, rather than grain feed, which makes it more sustainable.

“We’ve established several herds in Europe – in the Pyrenees, down in Bordeaux and in Belgium, and up in Switzerland and Germany,” Roper said. “And we’ve been doing that for several years – we are known as the centre of excellence for these products in Europe.”

He has five European customers who have paid deposits for Lowlines and some have been waiting for two years. Roper estimates he has lost £150,000 so far.

“It has just stopped our cashflow dead. I’ve got half a million pounds worth of stock, half of which should go to Europe – 50 of them are ready now – but we can’t move them. I’m planning to keep financing this business until May next year. If we don’t know by May, we’ve got some significant issues.”

Roper’s farm manager, Sam Maughan, said: “This was totally unexpected – we trusted the powers that be that there would be a short-term stop and it would all be back up and running. There just seems to be a lot of passing the buck. Surely the UK government have a responsibility to the UK businesses who are providing for this country.”

A Defra spokesperson said: “It is the responsibility of EU countries and authorities to approve the designation and operation of these facilities. However, we are supportive of industry efforts to push for BCP [border control post] construction and continue to engage with French officials on this issue.”

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I for one am shocked and surprised that Brexit is going so appallingly wrong (waits for Gnasher to suggest otherwise).  Who'd have thought it huh?  

Well at least we have black/blue passports (even though we now have to queue for hours to show them off). 

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On 05/08/2022 at 22:33, Gnasher said:

Anyone who believes carpenters in Britain are taking a wage cut anytime soon is out with the fairies. 

 

https://nationaltradesmen.co.uk/2021/05/19/self-employed-bricklayers-and-carpenter-wages-rise-by-20/

 

The answer to why we are fuvked is firmly at the door of our government (other non eu countries are managing ok).  Nice of Mugface to let them off the hook though. 

May 2021.

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22 minutes ago, AngryOfTuebrook said:

May 2021.

I know. Have they gave it back?

 

 I believe the rise for most construction workers was 5% - 6.25% this year. Obviously inflation has risen to unprecedented levels since and their is still a massive disparity between those having hugh rises at the top (bankers etc) and those having small rises at the bottom, the poorest in the entertainment sector have particularly been hit hard.

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5 minutes ago, Numero Veinticinco said:

Thank God for Brexit’s last champion, who would have voted against it. What a time to be alive. 

Here comes the snivelling little coward. 

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49 minutes ago, AngryOfTuebrook said:

May 2021.

Ignoring the shill squad for a moment it seems Italys far right are on the march. Dangerous times for Europe especially in this economic climate. Le Penn recently received record breaking votes in France.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/aug/07/italy-election-far-right-lampedusa-refugees-matteo-salvini

 

 

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44 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

I know. Have they gave it back?

 

 I believe the rise for most construction workers was 5% - 6.25% this year. Obviously inflation has risen to unprecedented levels since and their is still a massive disparity between those having hugh rises at the top (bankers etc) and those having small rises at the bottom, the poorest in the entertainment sector have particularly been hit hard.

It's not great evidence of your argument, is it? In May 2021 I was saying that those pay rises wouldn't last; you'd need to show figures from about 2024 to demonstrate that they have lasted. Instead, you're admitting that this year people in those sectors are getting real-terms pay cuts.

 

Meanwhile, the (probable) next Prime Minister is promising to deliver on "the whole point of Brexit" by stripping us of our rights and workplace protections.  Workers are fucked as a direct result of the way 51.9% of people voted six years ago.

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23 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

Ignoring the shill squad for a moment it seems Italys far right are on the march. Dangerous times for Europe especially in this economic climate. Le Penn recently received record breaking votes in France.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/aug/07/italy-election-far-right-lampedusa-refugees-matteo-salvini

 

 

It's worth remembering that the European Commission had a sensible, humane plan for providing safety for refugees without overburdening places like Lampedusa. The governments of the Member States rejected it.

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5 minutes ago, AngryOfTuebrook said:

It's worth remembering that the European Commission had a sensible, humane plan for providing safety for refugees without overburdening places like Lampedusa. The governments of the Member States rejected it.

I'm not blaming the EU specifically I'm pointing the finger at neoliberalism in general.

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3 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

I'm not blaming the EU specifically I'm pointing the finger at neoliberalism in general.

Neoliberalism is a fucking blight - and we're still in the situation where too many Centrists would rather turn a blind eye to the rise of Fascism (or a government's slide towards Fascism) than side with Socialists to resist it.

 

The world has been here before. It doesn't end well.

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