Should the UK remain a member of the EU

[Mook]

12 minutes ago, viRdjil said:

The Brexit party’s landslide win confirmed the intention of the British public IMO. They received more votes than UKIP did in the previous election. 

It confirmed fuck all. The Lib Dems, Greens & SNP all got a shit load of votes too.

 

Labour should stop dicking about, pick a side (preferably a second referendum) & go for the throat. Labour's problem here is that no-one has a fucking clue what they want to do.

[Strontium]

15 minutes ago, viRdjil said:

The Brexit party’s landslide win confirmed the intention of the British public IMO. They received more votes than UKIP did in the previous election. 

 

Stop claiming that 30% is a landslide. It isn't. It's only 4% more than UKIP got in 2014 when there was no referendum result to "respect".

[AngryOfTuebrook]

5 minutes ago, Mook said:

 

Labour should stop dicking about, pick a side 

That's exactly what the Tories want - Labour to tell half the electorate to Fuck Off, deepen the national political divide even further and usher in the next Conservative Government. 

 

How about a Labour Party committed to fighting for all working class people, regardless of how they voted in the Tories' referendum 3 years ago?

[Bjornebye]

14 minutes ago, Sixtimes Dog said:

 

Stop claiming that 30% is a landslide. It isn't. It's only 4% more than UKIP got in 2014 when there was no referendum result to "respect".

 

 

[Moo]

I don't think that stating an order of preference for four possible outcomes is in any way unclear, in fact you could argue that nailing your colours to only one mast is more unclear because, let's say, you don't get what you want (because most won't get what they want), what's your preference then and what will you do to help achieve that? 

 

Personally I wish Labour would come out in favour of revocation of Article 50, but my personal preference being at odds with Labour's position doesn't make that position any less clear. 

[magicrat]

58 minutes ago, viRdjil said:

Even though I voted remain, if Labour want to win the next election, looking at the success of the recent Brexit party, Labour MPs should be more elusive when pressed about the second referendum, and make it the Tories’ problem.

Too late for that . If they want to win the next GE they need to scupper Brexit which will destroy the Tories 

[Moo]

3 minutes ago, magicrat said:

Too late for that . If they want to win the next GE they need to scupper Brexit which will destroy the Tories 

They could destroy themselves in the process.  

I'd imagine they're hoping to scupper a damaging "Tory Brexit" (which every single person who voted to leave voted for seeing as though they were the party with the hand on the reins) without having to come out and say as much, and hoping enough people notice that they might actually get some credit for it. 

Alas we're already so far down the rabbit hole I fear there's little chance of climbing back out. 

[AngryOfTuebrook]

12 minutes ago, Moo said:

I don't think that stating an order of preference for four possible outcomes is in any way unclear, in fact you could argue that nailing your colours to only one mast is more unclear because, let's say, you don't get what you want (because most won't get what they want), what's your preference then and what will you do to help achieve that? 

 

Personally I wish Labour would come out in favour of revocation of Article 50, but my personal preference being at odds with Labour's position doesn't make that position any less clear. 

A lot of pundits are deliberately misrepresenting Labour’s position - and pretending that they don't understand it - for their own ends. It reminds me of football pundits claiming that the rules around handball or offside are impenetrably arcane, when the truth is that they are just trying to fabricate some controversy to justify their own jobs.

[Moo]

1 minute ago, AngryofTuebrook said:

A lot of pundits are deliberately misrepresenting Labour’s position - and pretending that they don't understand it - for their own ends. It reminds me of football pundits claiming that the rules around handball or offside are impenetrably arcane, when the truth is that they are just trying to fabricate some controversy to justify their own jobs.

I think they call that "post truth" these days, there's a lot of it about. 

[Mook]

9 hours ago, AngryofTuebrook said:

That's exactly what the Tories want - Labour to tell half the electorate to Fuck Off, deepen the national political divide even further and usher in the next Conservative Government. 

 

How about a Labour Party committed to fighting for all working class people, regardless of how they voted in the Tories' referendum 3 years ago?

Well where I live Labour have been completely wiped out, they can't fight for all working class people but they could fight for what's best for them instead. Loads of SNP, Green, Lib Dem & floating remain voters would jump on board too in my opinion.

 

'Half the electorate' being leave is a bit of a jump.

 

The way it stands, the tories will get back in, England is a tory country through & through now.

[sir roger]

Boris getting straight to what the country needs by promising to put the higher tax bracket up to £80k.

 

Rico has played the long game very well here.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

52 minutes ago, Mook said:

Well where I live Labour have been completely wiped out, they can't fight for all working class people but they could fight for what's best for them instead. Loads of SNP, Green, Lib Dem & floating remain voters would jump on board too in my opinion.

 

'Half the electorate' being leave is a bit of a jump.

 

The way it stands, the tories will get back in, England is a tory country through & through now.

The Leave vote and the Remain vote is still pretty much neck and neck. We can't just wish that fact away.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

2 hours ago, Mook said:

 

The way it stands, the tories will get back in, England is a tory country through & through now.

At the last General Election, the Tories got 45.4% of the vote in England; Labour got 41.9%.

 

We are not as irredeemably Tory as you might think.

[Scooby Dudek]

Dominic Raab is a Twat.

[cloggypop]

If the Tory cunts had been doing mushies instead of coke we wouldn't be in this mess. 

[Mudface]

43 minutes ago, AngryofTuebrook said:

At the last General Election, the Tories got 45.4% of the vote in England; Labour got 41.9%.

 

We are not as irredeemably Tory as you might think.

Yep- the reason the Tories won a majority in 2015 and most seats in 2017 is due to the collapse in Labour's Scottish vote. 

[Bobby Hundreds]

2 hours ago, sir roger said:

Boris getting straight to what the country needs by promising to put the higher tax bracket up to £80k.

 

Rico has played the long game very well here.

How much are politicians on. As in wages not all the other side jobs. Doesn't Boris need mps support before it can go to the members. Him being PM would be a new low even for this country.

[Mook]

56 minutes ago, AngryofTuebrook said:

At the last General Election, the Tories got 45.4% of the vote in England; Labour got 41.9%.

 

We are not as irredeemably Tory as you might think.

You have to bear in mind that this is by far the most inept tory government in living memory & Labour are still struggling to lay a glove on them.

[Pureblood]

3 minutes ago, Mook said:

You have to bear in mind that this is by far the most inept tory government in living memory & Labour are still struggling to lay a glove on them.

A hung parliament counts as a glove for me, Clive. 

[Mook]

24 minutes ago, TK421 said:

A hung parliament counts as a glove for me, Clive. 

I said they were struggling to lay a glove, not that they hadn't.

 

Let's be honest, a half decent opposition would've fucked this tory shambles into next century.

[Pureblood]

1 minute ago, Mook said:

I said they were struggling to lay a glove, not that they hadn't.

 

Let's be honest, a half decent opposition would've fucked this tory shambles into next century.

They are half decent but the media, innit.  

[AngryOfTuebrook]

1 hour ago, Mook said:

You have to bear in mind that this is by far the most inept tory government in living memory & Labour are still struggling to lay a glove on them.

Majority wiped out and more Parliamentary defeats than any Government for about a gazillion years. That's definitely a glove.

[Mook]

4 minutes ago, AngryofTuebrook said:

Majority wiped out and more Parliamentary defeats than any Government for about a gazillion years. That's definitely a glove.

See above.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

1 hour ago, Mudface said:

Yep- the reason the Tories won a majority in 2015 and most seats in 2017 is due to the collapse in Labour's Scottish vote. 

Which, in turn, was due to Labour cosying up to the Tories in a referendum,  giving full support to the Tories' vision of the Union, ignoring the concerns of those who want to leave the Union and failing to offer a progressive or Socialist case for remaining in the Union.

 

There's a reason why Labour aren't siding with Anna fucking Soubry.

[skend04]

Jesus! This Tory leadership race is fucking mental. You've got candidates publicly stating they will bypass democracy to uphold a fucking opinion poll. All whilst they're presumably off their tits on crystal meth.