Ashes Down Under 2013/14

[lifetime fan]

Cook refusing to confirm he wants Kev to play in 2015.

[Barrington Womble]

Cook refusing to confirm he wants Kev to play in 2015.

i read an interview yesterday, where he comes out with something like "how can he assure KP, then another 9 players will want assurance". I wouldn't read too much into it. besides which i would say there's more chance of KP being involved in the 2015 ashes than cook having any input to the selection process.

[lifetime fan]

i read an interview yesterday, where he comes out with something like "how can he assure KP, then another 9 players will want assurance". I wouldn't read too much into it. besides which i would say there's more chance of KP being involved in the 2015 ashes than cook having any input to the selection process.

I didn't necessarily agree with it mate (although I do), my point was more Cook being unsuitable/naive as a captain.

 

All he needed to say was he wasn't guaranteed to be playing let alone captain then so he wouldn't comment on any other players.

[Champ]

I didn't necessarily agree with it mate (although I do), my point was more Cook being unsuitable/naive as a captain.

 

All he needed to say was he wasn't guaranteed to be playing let alone captain then so he wouldn't comment on any other players.

 

Nooo! While he is captain he has to act as if he is continuing to be in that position. You wouldnt expect that much modesty in other sports.

[Barrington Womble]

I didn't necessarily agree with it mate (although I do), my point was more Cook being unsuitable/naive as a captain.

 

All he needed to say was he wasn't guaranteed to be playing let alone captain then so he wouldn't comment on any other players.

fair point. the whole lot is a fucking shambles

[Barrington Womble]

Nooo! While he is captain he has to act as if he is continuing to be in that position. You wouldnt expect that much modesty in other sports.

if he had anything about him he'd have given the captaincy up after that tour. there are defeats and then there's a complete fucking disaster. i can't see how he can continue as captain in any way shape or form. 

[lifetime fan]

Nooo! While he is captain he has to act as if he is continuing to be in that position. You wouldnt expect that much modesty in other sports.

After a 5-0 bumming? With an ECB inquiry and you've said yourself there should be ramifications.

[Champ]

if he had anything about him he'd have given the captaincy up after that tour. there are defeats and then there's a complete fucking disaster. i can't see how he can continue as captain in any way shape or form. 

 

That may be the reality but would you expect him to admit it publically?

 

After a 5-0 bumming? With an ECB inquiry and you've said yourself there should be ramifications.

 

See above

[Jairzinho]

Hopefully in 2015 Cook won't be captain, and Pietersen won't be playing.

[Champ]

Hopefully in 2015 Cook won't be captain, and Pietersen won't be playing.

 

Wishful thinking really, I guess, but I'm on board

[Barrington Womble]

That may be the reality but would you expect him to admit it publically?

 

 

See above

The only thing he should be saying publicly is "sorry, that was unacceptable, I quit". After what's just happened he can't be answering questions on 2015, as pretty much nobody but stokes and broad should be thinking their place is safe just for this summer, let alone 2015.

 

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[Barrington Womble]

Hopefully in 2015 Cook won't be captain, and Pietersen won't be playing.

Here's the thing I don't understand about pietersen. I don't follow the gossip, I know he's not liked and I know flower doesn't like him, but what's he done on this tour that has created this backlash? I get he's probably a bit of a cunt, but hasn't that been true for his whole England career, which has been England's best period in my lifetime.

 

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[Yozzer]

If you're replacing Cook as captain, who would step in? There's literally no one else in that team who I'd trust as captain.

[Jairzinho]

Yes. Yes he has. Nothing has changed really other than the results and its wrong to pin this series on him. If we are going to build for the future though we need to bin the selfish egotistical poisonous wankers. Of which he clearly is one.

[Jairzinho]

Someone that is not in the team then, yoz.

[Yozzer]

Someone that is not in the team then, yoz.

I'm still struggling to see anyone in the counties who could lead England and play at Test level. As depressing as it sounds, England are going to have to stick with the a Cook/Flower combination and hope they can replicate the victories in India etc.

[lifetime fan]

I'm still struggling to see anyone in the counties who could lead England and play at Test level. As depressing as it sounds, England are going to have to stick with the a Cook/Flower combination and hope they can replicate the victories in India etc.

This is me.

 

You only sack someone if you can bring in an obvious improvement. Otherwise you end up with a R*f* and budgie situation.

 

I'd let Flower go and get Moody in.

 

I'd then give Moody this summer to decide if he wants to keep Cook or pick his own captain.

[Barrington Womble]

Someone that is not in the team then, yoz.

The thing is it doesn't get worse than the tour we've just had. Even if you can't trust broad (who I think is the only candidate in the squad), can he be worse than what's just gone? We were bullied from start to finish and only one or two players showed any fight and cook wasn't one of them and to me cook has to shoulder at least part of the blame for that.

 

Personally I also think we need to take the captaincy off cook in the hope of getting the quality opener back he once was. We need to get the top of the innings scoring again and giving us a platform, the top 3 have been pretty poor in both ashes series this year.

 

It might take us to go and pick someone in county cricket who can captain but perhaps won't be a world class player while we get through this patch of filtering out those who need to go, but he knows how to captain and bring players on.

I'm fairly agnostic about KP's inclusion. We've proved in the past we can win matches with him in the team, as long as his form is good enough, the captain and coach need to be man enough to work out how not only how to handle him but use his experience as he's one of the senior men in the dressing room and this is likely to be an inexperienced team. Nearly every successful sports team has the odd egotistical cunt, I don't see why the England cricket team should be any different. For me its about form, if that's good enough, England need to find a way because the quality does not appear to be great behind him.

 

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[Jairzinho]

Agreed bw. I dont care if they average 5 less with the bat or 5 more with the ball than our bowlers (on the off chance we could find a bowler that could spell his own name). They'll more than make up for it if their captaincy isn't as clueless and shithouse as Cook's.

 

Wont happen like. Broad next, briefly, then Root. It'll all have been mapped out on a dossier somewhere.

[Barrington Womble]

Agreed bw. I dont care if they average 5 less with the bat or 5 more with the ball than our bowlers (on the off chance we could find a bowler that could spell his own name). They'll more than make up for it if their captaincy isn't as clueless and shithouse as Cook's.

 

Wont happen like. Broad next, briefly, then Root. It'll all have been mapped out on a dossier somewhere.

I'm not convinced root will be around very long, although I always thought that about bell, so what do I know!

 

For me its simple. This year is about finding a captain, 2 top order batsmen, a spinner and take a look at wicket keeper (although I wouldn't rule out prior making a comeback if he gets runs in county cricket early in the summer). If the captain can be one of those players, great but he needs to be the 1st player we find.

 

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[Yozzer]

Agreed bw. I dont care if they average 5 less with the bat or 5 more with the ball than our bowlers (on the off chance we could find a bowler that could spell his own name). They'll more than make up for it if their captaincy isn't as clueless and shithouse as Cook's.

 

Wont happen like. Broad next, briefly, then Root. It'll all have been mapped out on a dossier somewhere.

I respectfully disagree here Jairz. It's useless if your captain is totally out of his depth at Test level. It just brings further criticism and pressure on himself and the team if he can't score or get wickets.

 

Admittedly, anything that what we have now seems appealing but I'd be extremely cautious of going down the route of a specialist captain.

 

Also, I honestly can't think of any captains in the county set-up who'd come in and revolutionise England's performance.

[Navman]

Don't worry this man is back

 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/cricket/international/england/3450782/England-turn-to-Ravi-Bopara-and-Jimmy-Anderson-for-first-one-day-international-against-India-Cricket.html

[Navman]

KP will quit but I think the Flower and Cook axis is finished and I have loss a lot of respect for Cook

 

India had a good chance of victory in the summer and I think if that happens they'll be some big changes

 

These next 6 months of one days give a chance to Hales, Robson (hopefully), Woakea, Tredwell, Butler, Morgan, Bopara and Jordan. It looks like Overton is being groomed to be the next Finn and Finn will hopefully comeback

[Navman]

Next captain will be Prior I think. Then Broad

 

By that time they'll have groomed the appropriate batsmen to do the job

[Yozzer]

Next captain will be Prior I think. Then Broad

 

By that time they'll have groomed the appropriate batsmen to do the job

If Prior was to regain his form, which I suspect he will, then that's probably the best shout for an alternative to Cook.