Alfie's Army

[Furmedge]

My daughter has to go to Alder Hey today. I'm on edge every time I take her so if you see some fella wrapping a microphone wire round some wankers neck while they're in mid flow of Cotton Eye Joe, just remember I love you all.

 

I understand the family and how they are, of course you'd try until your last breath to fight for your child, but these dickheads outside causing a nuisance and upsetting children and parents are fucking pond life. I fucking hate people sometimes.

[Creator Supreme]

It's the attitude towards other people with sick kids. If that person mentioned is getting back to Ronald McDonald house it's a fair bet that their kid isn't in there for a head cold or an ingrowing toenail.

[RedKnight]

All very depressing yet unsurprising. Just another example of the contunuation of the "we've had enough of experts" line that emerged from the EU referendum.

[Oh Buoy]

Court hearing today, here's the latest about the letter from the religious legal firm: 

 

'Anyone’s hearts would be touched. But we have to uphold the law':

 

Lord Justice Davis is now asking questions about the Christian Legal Centre, the organisation representing the family.

 

He asks: “Are there any lawyers? Are there any qualified lawyers there?”

 

Paul Diamond: “They’re a campaigning organisation. There may be one or two.”

He now asks a member of the legal team for the CLC to stand up and answer a series of questions. The man stands up.

 

Justice Davis saks: “Do you have any legal qualifications? Did you charge any fees for this advice? Are you regulated by some regulatory body?”

 

He answers no to all of the above.

 

He does however point out that there are lawyers at the organisation.

 

He admits he did draft the letter. He says he considered the order when writing it.

 

Lord Justice Davis asks him to sit down.

 

Justice Davis now points out that the letter was posted publicly even though “nobody with any legal qualifications would have written a letter like that”.

 

He adds “Our hearts are touched [by this case]. Anyone’s hearts would be touched. But we have to uphold the law.”

[Oh Buoy]

'The father’s wishes trump the best interests of the child?'

 

Lord Justice Moylan points out that a former court ruled removing Alfie was “irreconcilable’ with Alfie’s best interests.

He tells Paul Diamond: “You’re saying this court must permit something which has been expressly decided as being irreconcilable with the child’s best interests?”

Paul Diamond replies: “I’m asking this court to put the wide-ranging application by family court judges on the best interests of the child as an unrestrained catch-all has actually now gone too far.

“It is too far a step to take to say the best interests of the child to overrule the law.

 

“So, in your argument, the several days of court hearings at the family court in front of Lord Justice Hayden, were all unnecessary?

 

Paul Diamond says: “We don’t say that, we say a father has a sick child with an unknown illness. He goes to his GP, he goes to his local specialist hospital. He is given a poor diagnosis.

 

“If that father can convince third party to make air ambulances available and medical treatment available, eh has not accepted the Charlie Gard premis, and he doesn’t accept the treatment is futile.

He doesn’t want a cure, eh wants the treatment that is available.

If he wants to exercise that right, and that is in a pure common sense way - what is the problem?

There is an air ambulance crew with highly experienced doctors at the other end

 

Lady Justice King asks: “So you’re saying, in a very simple way, that the father’s wishes trump the best interests of the child? It was the same argument that was usurped.’

 

Paul Diamond: “I’m saying that the time has come for this court to address the constitution.”

[Nelly-Szoboszlai]

It sounds like they've instructed Lionel Hutz to act for them.

 

It's all got out of hand now. It's sad. But, they're desperately fighting a losing battle. In more ways than one.

 

Regarding Alder Hey, it's a good job that they've got their eye on the ball and are solely concerned with their primary goal - treating sick children - as they could easily sue some of the "Army" hangers on over some of the ridiculous and defamatory scaremongering they're spouting.

 

An important point was raised by someone the other day. Young children are like sponges. They absorb everything, take it all in. If they're being dragged to a protest outside Alder Hey by their ma, who's shouting about them being "murderers" and "baby killers" etc, just imagine how fucking petrified their own kids will be if they subsequently have the misfortune of needing to be admitted to Alder Hey, or any other hospital?

 

It's no real surprise that all the bilious, angry bandwagoners appear to be the sort who think "Alder Hay" are "discusting"

[Oh Buoy]

Decision at 3:30pm.

[Paulie Dangerously]

If one of the scrambler bikes who are doing wheelies "in support" of the army happens to smash into a kid I wonder which hospital they'll take them to?

[Strontium]

If one of the scrambler bikes who are doing wheelies "in support" of the army happens to smash into a kid I wonder which hospital they'll take them to?

Having seen them, the PDSA would seem most appropriate.

[VERBAL DIARRHEA]

Having seen them, the PDSA would seem most appropriate.

Not too far away either, only in " da Moss "

[Paulie Dangerously]

Just want to be clear that I cans understand the desperation of the parents, it's the gaggle of meffy hanger onners who have nothing better to do but hang round outside Alder Hey spreading memes and comparing them to Hitler (really) whilst shaming anyone for daring to side with medical professionals which are rustling my jimmies. 

[Anubis]

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/law/2011/may/04/law-barristers-religious-discrimination-advocacy

 

 

...These thoughts are prompted by an Observer report that the Christian Legal Centre has some 50 claims of religious discrimination on its books. Many of those that come to court are likely to be argued by Paul Diamond, the centre's standing counsel.

 

Diamond practises from Cambridgeshire. Although his professional website describes "the chambers of Paul Diamond" as "the premier chambers to specialise in the law of religious liberty", they appear to have no other members.

 

That of course is no criticism; although most practising barristers share chambers with other barristers, all of them are self-employed. And Diamond clearly has a wealth of experience in cases of religious discrimination.

 

It is therefore surprising to find that in just such a claim the high court recently described Diamond as using "extravagant rhetoric" in more than one case. The court also dismissed his written assertions as a "travesty of the reality".

 

Two judges made these remarks at the end of February when refusing to grant Diamond's clients Eunice and Owen Johns permission to bring a challenge against Derby city council. The couple complained that the council had put off a decision on whether it could approve them as foster parents, given their declared opposition to homosexuality. Diamond did not help his case during the hearing last November when he began a sentence with the phrase "I believe". The phrase introduced an expression of faith rather than a recollection, something the court will rightly have regarded as irrelevant...

 

 

Going into court with arguments written by a non-lawyer, and put forward by the religiously-led advocacy of a barrister who is the sole member of his own chambers.

 

 

[Elite]

I have the upmost sympathy for baby Alfie and his family as this is a parents worst nightmare but these bandwagon jumpers (I don't include Alfie's family or their close friends) only care about being part of this 'cause', so they can put it on Facebook and pretend they are part of a resistance (When it's more about them than the child). If they really want to help sick kids, why don't they do some training and provide a worthwhile service to Ill children because sadly once this is all over they'll look for the next tragedy to jump on.

 

Alfie is an high profile case but Alder Hey will have other terminal children in there whose care and well being is being disrupted by all this.

[Oh Buoy]

I have the upmost sympathy for baby Alfie and his family as this is a parents worst nightmare but these bandwagon jumpers (I don't include Alfie's family or their close friends) only care about being part of this 'cause', so they can put it on Facebook and pretend they are part of a resistance (When it's more about them than the child). If they really want to help sick kids, why don't they do some training and provide a worthwhile service to Ill children because sadly once this is all over they'll look for the next tragedy to jump on.

 

Alfie is an high profile case but Alder Hey will have other terminal children in there whose care and well being is being disrupted by all this.

 

I did have sympathy for the parents at the start.

 

But they've been at the forefront of the gang of meffs chanting/causing disruption outside. 

 

This case was always about Alfie and the legal parameters surrounding palliative care and best interests. Alfie's parents have tried their best to challenge the decision but these laws are in place to protect the patients best interest - not the parent's. It's really easy to blur the lines but Alder Hey have legal conditions to uphold and that has negative consequences when cases such as these demonise the hospital and it's staff for following protocol. 

 

It's a sad story but it's kept Alfie at it's heart. 

 

Let's await the decision. 

[johnsusername]

Alder Hey saved my baby girl from dying. This bunch of cunts outside should all be rounded up and shipped off to a gulag. Parents will be offered accommodation at Ronald McDonald House because their child is in a serious condition so they need to be nearby - it's not fucking Disneyland.  

 

Fucking shameful Jeremy Kyle Britain at its worst. Scousers at their worst.

[Lee909]

The way some of these twats go on you'd think the hospital just thought fuck it lets not bother anymore.

 

It horrible and from the limited reports i have read the kid has no life and even if they could stop it getting worse his quality of life would not be there.

 

Its fucking horrible but there has to come a time when you realise what you are doing is so you don't lose them,not so they can have some peace.

 

I can tell you being in a coma is fucking weird. All i have are vague bad memories of thinking people where trying to kill me and seriously fucked up 'dreams',partly due to morphine drips. Terrible shit that i try to not think anything about and it still scares the shit out of me.

 

And knowing that when i woke up if i had to spend the rest of my life in that state i would not want to. And i had full mental capacity just not the anility to move,speak, eat or breathe unaided

[Oh Buoy]

Summing up continues

 

Lord Justice Moylan is continuing to sum up Alfie’s parents’ wishes.

He details that they wish to take him to Bambino Gesú in Rome, and if that doesn’t work, then to a hospital in Munich.

It is understood these hospitals would be prepared to perform a tracheotomy, however have given the same prognosis - meaning they accept there will be no cure or preventative treatment.

 

Moving Alfie would bring “increased risk”

 

Lord Justice Moylan re-caps Lord Justice Hayden’s decision that it is not in Alfie’s best interests to continue ventilation.

 

He says that Lord Justice Hayden declared “it was not in Alfie’s best interests to continue ventilation, that he should only receive palliative care, and that it should be carried out by Alder Hey.

 

Mr Justice Moylan says the Court of Appeal had dismissed the last application.

 

However, the latest appeal being heard today, is the result of an emergency meeting of the court on Thursday night.

 

Lord Justice Moylan says moving Alfie via air ambulance would bring the increased risk of seizures. They say that both Alder Hey and Bambino Gesú agree that this is the case.

 

Independent guardian agrees with Alder Hey

 

Lord Justice Moylan says that in cases such as Alfie’s, the child is represented by an independent guardian.

Alfie’s guardian has agreed with Alder Hey that withdrawing ventilation is in his best interests.

Again, repeating Lord Justice Hayden’s previously ruling, he says that when there are conflicts between the parents’ preferences and the child’s best interests, then the child’s best interests would prevail.

[Paulie Dangerously]

The way some of these twats go on you'd think the hospital just thought fuck it lets not bother anymore.

 

It horrible and from the limited reports i have read the kid has no life and even if they could stop it getting worse his quality of life would not be there.

 

Its fucking horrible but there has to come a time when you realise what you are doing is so you don't lose them,not so they can have some peace.

 

I can tell you being in a coma is fucking weird. All i have are vague bad memories of thinking people where trying to kill me and seriously fucked up 'dreams',partly due to morphine drips. Terrible shit that i try to not think anything about and it still scares the shit out of me.

 

And knowing that when i woke up if i had to spend the rest of my life in that state i would not want to. And i had full mental capacity just not the anility to move,speak, eat or breathe unaided

 

Grim that lad. 

[Lee909]

Could be different for others.

But can only go by your own experience.

[Nelly-Szoboszlai]

The judge is tearing the Christian barristers submissions to bits. He doesn't sound impressed.

[Anubis]

Lord Justice Moylan not really pulling any punches when it comes to Diamond's submissions.

[Anubis]

Appeal dismissed with the following comments added.

 

 

 

“We consider that we add the following: We cannot conclude this judgement without recording our dismay or concern of what we have been told of the consequences of what has taken place at the hospital in recent days.

 

“These matters have not been the subject of any court determination however if true they are alarming.

 

“We are told that some members of hospital of staff could not get to the hospital because of road blockage and that some staff and family members in the hospital could not gain entry.

 

“They said that some of the supporters had entered the paediatric intensive care ward.”

 

 

Is that last bit right? I didn't think they'd gone that far, had they?

[Nelly-Szoboszlai]

Appeal dismissed.

 

It was always going to be.

 

Hopefully, some of the hanger on dickheads (who've already started to gather around Alder Hey) don't follow up on their rhetoric of it "going off" and being "worse than the Toxteth riots" if the decision went against them.

 

It's a hospital, for fucks sake. Just geg out and let the family (hopefully) come to terms with the difficult future that awaits them.

[Oh Buoy]

Appeal dismissed with the following comments added.

 

 

 

 

Is that last bit right? I didn't think they'd gone that far, had they?

 

 

Wouldn't surprise me considering the were discussing how to remove Alfie on social media. 

[Lee909]

Disgusting if true that.

As if dealing with sick and dying kids isn't bad enough for staff being subject to whats pretty much intimidation from a gang of cunts seriously is twisted