Brendan Rodgers, a statistical overview of Swansea 11/12.

[myrlas]

Its no problem to make a valid assumption of something football related by just looking at stats as long as you actually have a bit of football knowledge and knows how to fit the stats into a context.

 

The end.

 

Since when did head to head comparisons, about the likes of right footed shots, between a newly promoted Swansea and Liverpool be a context football knowledge could draw anything from?

 

It's like comparing a first year senior sprinter on the world stage to a world record holder.

 

"He doesn't run fast enough - aka he's shite."

 

If there's one single thing that strikes me with Rodgers, it's his ability and his urge for personal development. I can't believe how people can use his past as a stick to beat him with all the time he's an upcoming manager on the top level.

[piscinin]

Paul Konchesky. Christian Poulsen. An unwillingness to play players to their strengths, an inherent damage limitation mindset from Hodgson. They are some of the reasons we sacked Hodgson.

 

Rodgers' team played passing attacking football. It might, just might, follow that the same ethic with better players would produce better results over the course of a season than Swansea's.

 

I'm prepared to wait and see if that happens but if you want to jump on the outraged bandwagon you fill your boots mate.

 

I was just pointing out the parallelism in the over-simplifications but if you want to equate that with jumping on the outraged bandwagon fill your boots mate.

[Redder Lurtz]

I was just pointing out the parallelism in the over-simplifications but if you want to equate that with jumping on the outraged bandwagon fill your boots mate.

 

Touché sir...

 

TBF the only thing I'm annoyed about at the moment is the 10% or so of people on here who are refusing to even give Rodgers a chance.

[Code]

Since when did head to head comparisons, about the likes of right footed shots, between a newly promoted Swansea and Liverpool be a context football knowledge could draw anything from?

 

It's like comparing a first year senior sprinter on the world stage to a world record holder.

 

"He doesn't run fast enough - aka he's shite."

 

If there's one single thing that strikes me with Rodgers, it's his ability and his urge for personal development. I can't believe how people can use his past as a stick to beat him with all the time he's an upcoming manager on the top level.

 

If you had read it properly, you would notice no one had made any comparisons on those particular stats, only tried to explain reason for the difference.

 

Where Swansea have had their posession and how they have failed to create much from all the posession is interesting though.

 

Could it be that they are more Colombia from 94 than Barca or do I dare say it Liverpool from 11/12 when it comes to posession in the oppositions half and actually being able to take advantage of all this posession and create chances from it?

 

I'm not trying to beat him either, I'm just of the belief that the more information you have about something the easier it is to create an opinion about something you dont really know that much about.

[piscinin]

Touché sir...

 

TBF the only thing I'm annoyed about at the moment is the 10% or so of people on here who are refusing to even give Rodgers a chance.

 

Alas only Rodgers can change their/(our) minds. People are scared, we are at a turning point. We could very easily be cut loose by an appointment that goes wrong. The owners have conducted a recruitment strategy that has been focused on something other than hiring the best available candidate, but they won't tell us what it is, so we will fill that vacuum in a way that's consistent with their past conduct (clueless? Reckless? Savvy? Considered?). They tell us the plan is primary and then don't have enough confidence in the plan not to toss it aside the first time it is questioned.

 

Come on a bit of hysteria is inevitable.

 

And it's fun *shakes fist*.

[Russ Atmosphere]

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Hammertime!

 

[silverlining]

For all the plaudits about how they play and their possession football, it's slightly concerning that most of this possession wasn't anywhere near the opposition's goal, as evidenced by the fact they scored hardly any.

 

In fact, two of the three relegated teams outscored Swansea.

 

I like winning games more than passing the ball around 5 yards in your own half and not trying to attack, although I suppose Henderson will be one of the more relieved players. If anyone else had come in, he'd be toast.

[Evil_Ways]

For all the plaudits about how they play and their possession football, it's slightly concerning that most of this possession wasn't anywhere near the opposition's goal, as evidenced by the fact they scored hardly any.

 

In fact, two of the three relegated teams outscored Swansea.

 

I like winning games more than passing the ball around 5 yards in your own half and not trying to attack, although I suppose Henderson will be one of the more relieved players. If anyone else had come in, he'd be toast.

 

Their efficiency, or lack there of, i think is explained by a lack of quality in the final third, where you are depending on individual quality to a bigger extent if you are playing possession based football, building attacks with patience rather than trying to catch teams on the break.

 

And of course we have the same problems, and a different manager wont change that. His success here will depend alot on what he does in the transfer market and obviously how he's backed there by FSG.

[Code]

I dont have the numbers yet, but according to someone who should know, Swansea had less posession in the games they won last season than the other ones.

 

Agree with Silverlining though, posession is all well and good but if the posession is in your own half it will get you nowhere.

 

We were the team with most posession in our opponents half last season, Swanseas passing accuracy were very good all over the pitch though.

[silverlining]

Their efficiency, or lack there of, i think is explained by a lack of quality in the final third, where you are depending on individual quality to a bigger extent if you are playing possession based football, building attacks with patience rather than trying to catch teams on the break.

 

 

I don't think it is just that. His footballing philosophy is to wear the other team down with possession, so we can expect LOTS of short, safe, 5-yard passing in our own half, and plenty of games in which we "dominate" possession and lose, because we haven't created enough chances.

 

I can see Horrenderson being a key player

[Magic Sponge]

Stats are for twats.

[Evil_Ways]

I don't think it is just that. His footballing philosophy is to wear the other team down with possession, so we can expect LOTS of short, safe, 5-yard passing in our own half, and plenty of games in which we "dominate" possession and lose, because we haven't created enough chances.

 

I can see Horrenderson being a key player

 

Well the good thing is Henderson wont have an advanced role if he's playing, im pretty sure about that, so his job will basically be to keep the ball flowing, and as bland as he is, he is capable of keeping the ball within the team. How well we do in attack will depend an awful lot on who gets the positions he used Allen, Sigurdsson, Dyer, Sinclair and Graham for Swansea. Gerrard and Suarez will certainly get two of them. Ideally i'd want us to bring in a central midfielder a wide attacking midfielder and a striker, as we will continue to struggle for goals if we dont.

[Monster Masch]

If you had read it properly, you would notice no one had made any comparisons on those particular stats, only tried to explain reason for the difference.

 

Where Swansea have had their posession and how they have failed to create much from all the posession is interesting though.

 

Could it be that they are more Colombia from 94 than Barca or do I dare say it Liverpool from 11/12 when it comes to posession in the oppositions half and actually being able to take advantage of all this posession and create chances from it?

 

I'm not trying to beat him either, I'm just of the belief that the more information you have about something the easier it is to create an opinion about something you dont really know that much about.

 

Maybe because he had resources of a newly promoted team to put together his ideas in the Premier League, eh? He done fucking alright in my eyes.

[Thants]

Its no problem to make a valid assumption of something football related by just looking at stats as long as you actually have a bit of football knowledge and knows how to fit the stats into a context.

 

The end.

 

Nugget.

[Code]

Maybe because he had resources of a newly promoted team to put together his ideas in the Premier League, eh? He done fucking alright in my eyes.

 

He's done excellent.

 

Could he have done better if he was more direct and instead of posession for posessions sake had tried to be more penetrating though?

[Monster Masch]

Clutching at straws, Code. Can we just not enjoy the appointment? You even said yourself yesterday you were happy with it.

[Code]

Clutching at straws, Code. Can we just not enjoy the appointment? You even said yourself yesterday you were happy with it.

 

I just try to get as much information about him as possible out in the open, I cant see how thats not a good thing?

 

I'm not unhappy with the appointment, especially not when it looks like Martinez was the alternative.

 

But I think its important to highlight that there are big differnces between posession orientated football and I was pretty happy with my Colombia reference earlier, just a shame no one picked up on it.

[a stoner]

I can't take any more!!!!!!!

 

Someone KILL HIM NOW FFS!

[Guest TK-421]

 

We're fucking Liverpool supporters aren't we? And aren't most of you socialists? What happened to giving a bloke a crack of the whip, an opportunity to have a go and prove his worth, before jumping all over his fucking back and proclaiming how "royally screwed" we are. Fucking pathetic.

 

Maybe it won't work out for him but right now he's our manager, he's just signed and I'm going to support the bloke with cautious optimism. Give the bloke a fucking chance will you, you miserable bunch of cunts.

 

I don't see what relevance politics has to do with this.

 

I don't think we'll improve significantly next season, and that will lead to pressure. Just my opinion.

 

The mancs X2, arsenal and Chelsea have an impenetrable look to them as far as the top four is concerned. I think it would require a very talented manager to drag this Liverpool squad into the top four and oust one of those teams. And i don't think Rodgers is that man.

 

I'll eat my own nob if we break the top four during his three year contract.

[Scott_M]

The stats in the op are fairly pointless and you can't really draw any conclusions from them.

 

The only one I took notice of is that Swansea took more home points that us.

 

A wages vs points league table would be an interesting table.

[RedinSweden]

League Cup:

2011-08-23 Round 2 Shrewsbury Town-Swansea 3-1 (1-1)

 

Graham Turner > Ted Rodgers

[Kennys_spell]

Stats are for twats.

 

I can see that going on a T-Shirt!

[Kennys_spell]

l and I was pretty happy with my Colombia reference earlier, just a shame no one picked up on it.

 

Oh I picked up on it but you didn't back it up with any stats so I just ignored it!

[Evil_Ways]

I just try to get as much information about him as possible out in the open, I cant see how thats not a good thing?

 

I'm not unhappy with the appointment, especially not when it looks like Martinez was the alternative.

 

But I think its important to highlight that there are big differnces between posession orientated football and I was pretty happy with my Colombia reference earlier, just a shame no one picked up on it.

 

Big differences as compared to what ? Another type of football philosophy ?

It goes without saying.

 

Barcelona is pretty much the most well known blueprint of the type of football Rodgers likes to play. High zonal pressing without the ball, simple quick passes within the team when under pressure and in your own half. The 4 attacking players are much more direct in the final third but he still puts alot of emphasis on keeping the ball within the team there too. As with any system there are pros and cons.

[silverlining]

Clutching at straws, Code. Can we just not enjoy the appointment? You even said yourself yesterday you were happy with it.

 

I don't think Code's doing anything of the sort. He very often does an impression of a total mentalist, but there's nothing wrong at all with his points here.

 

Pretty fair and objective