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The owners gave the club a decent amount of cash to spend in the summer, they are not sugar daddies and should not be criticised for not making huge sums of cash available in this window. The real issue is with the transfer committee and how poorly the spent the funds available in the summer, the obsession with buying development players and their average scounting ability is the real issue. We could have quite easlily had another DM and left back if they would have had their strategy correct, the mistakes for me where; 1) Paying 7m for another development centre half (lloris) when we already have wisdom, kelly and coates 2) Paying 8m for a stiker (Aspas) who at the age of 25 has only ever had one season in a top flight league and even then for a struggling team, we could have kept borini 3) Paying 7m for yet another 'the next big thing' young spanaird (Alberto) given that what we really need was experience and the seems to be a never ending supply of their top spanish young players 4) Should we really have paid 10m for mignolet without getting any cash back for reina 5) Sakho is a decent player, but still in development, and cost us 18m, we could have got an established centre half for less than that we could have quite easily now had another 3 players in the squad if it was'nt for the poor transfer policy

rodgers needs to get inside suarez's head and tell him if real really wanted him, they would have put a mega bid in already and he would already be gone, he is'nt a priority target for them like bale , does he really want to join a club where they could take him or leave him like with owen ? regarding the club, we have been done over by real many times, the model how not to deal with real, is parry over the owen deal, how you deal with them is how levy dealt with them with modric , i.e show us the cash or go away! sure the player will sulk for a month or so, but then get down to business, and in suarez's case, he does'nt know how to play half hearted, and that potential sulk period, he will be banned anyway! I would tell real any last minute nonsense to get him on the cheap wont work, stump up 40m + before mid july or go away, sure, you can try and unsettle the play in the last week of the transfer window, but he will only sulk for a month or so, which wont effect us much anyway, so show us your money early, or goodbye!

after torres and suarez (maybe coutinho in a couple years) , can the small minority who still knock gerrard over the chelsea thing finally realise what rare and special breed of player our skipper really is, the way modern football is going we wont see many more of his kind again. He has'nt got much longer left, so rather than throwing ourselves at the lastest fly by night merchant we sign, can we give our adulation to somebody who actually deserves it while we still can.

does anybody know the truth on suarez's supposed 40m release clause, fact or fiction ? ,conflicting reports in the press on this

This article is one of the worst pieces of sensationialism I have ever read, the sunday sport would be ashamed of this one, trying to blame the decline of anfield as an area on LFC is absolutley shocking, and just plain wrong. The root cause of Anfield becoming the hole it is today was due to housing associations bulk buying blocks of properties in the mid to late eighties off landlords and moving problem families in from other areas, i lived through it and saw the area i grew up in decline shockingly in the space of a few years. LFC have been naughty over the couple of roads near the ground, but that's about it

they are walking thru our midfield, it was obvious in the summer we needed a monster centre mid in the squad, that fella kenny had lined up on a free is'nt doing to badly is he ? who did rodgers go for ? 3ft 6 joe allen!

rodgers has hit on something with enrique. We know he is'nt the greatest defender in the world, or like dirk, a particlualr great footballer, but he is strong, powerful and has a great work ethic, is he better suited to playing the 'kuyt' role i.e a workhorse who defends from the front who will harass and bully the oposition defence

i posted last night, trying to explain how statistics cannot be used properly in football, i used to be a professional statistician, but got shot down in flames because i spelt the word 'quantifiable' incorrectly due to typing too fast and being pissed! anyways , i was trying to explain the fact that when tring to draw up a statistical model on whether a player should be purchased or not, there are, quantifiable metrics such average distance covered in a game, and non-quantifiable metrics such as the managers instructions i.e a player with a great engine is told to sit deep, hence his stats will never reflect his true ability to cover the ground, so if there is one non-quantifiable variable that can influence the statistical model, all the the quantifiable metrics are useless, basical a-level and above statistical theory. A classic example would be ya-ya-toure, the best attackng player in the league when playing just behind the striker. When he was at barca, he was told by his manager to sit deep, ( non-quantifiable varaiable), so if you judged yay-ya on his stats at barca, you would say he would be one of the worst players in the world to put in the 'gerrard behind torres' role, when in fact he is the best, a classical example of how non-statisticians using statistics to mae a judgement call get it wrong. Interpreting stats correctly requires a trained mind in the discipline, below is a like to an example an example on how non-statisticians get the call wrong every time when though the standard throught process leads you to believe you are correct. I only post this because i see so many on here putting there faith in stats when they really truely dont understand i posted last night, trying to explain how statistics cannot be used properly in football, i used to be a professional statistician, but got shot down in flames because i spelt the word 'quantifiable' incorrectly due to typing too fast and being pissed! anyways , i was trying to explain the fact that when tring to draw up a statistical model on whether a player should be purchased or not, there are, quantifiable metrics such average distance covered in a game, and non-quantifiable metrics such as the managers instructions i.e a player with a great engine is told to sit deep, hence his stats will never reflect his true ability to cover the ground, so if there is one non-quantifiable variable that can influence the statistical model, all the the quantifiable metrics are useless, basical a-level and above statistical theory. A classic example would be ya-ya-toure, the best attackng player in the league when playing just behind the striker. When he was at barca, he was told by his manager to sit deep, ( non-quantifiable varaiable), so if you judged yay-ya on his stats at barca, you would say he would be one of the worst players in the world to put in the 'gerrard behind torres' role, when in fact he is the best, a classical example of how non-statisticians using statistics to mae a judgement call get it wrong. Interpreting stats correctly requires a trained mind in the discipline, google the 'monty hall problem' to get an idea on how non-statisticians get the call wrong every time when though the standard throught process leads you to believe you are correct. I only post this because i see so many on here putting there faith in stats when they really truely dont understand

i agree, it's the fitting the stats into context and more importantly, knowing how to interprit them properly which is my point

no, i meant they did'nt have the means to sustain the business financially, so no matter who the manager was, they would have lost it like they did no matter what. what rafa did was let us know the shit state the club was in and how unsuitable they were, long long before we would have picked up on it purley by looking at the clubs accounts, he made us see what was going on 18 months before we would have seen it otherwise

i am in 100% agreement with you mate, stats might work in sports like baseball or cricket, it never will in football, like you said, what we need is football people who actually know what they are doing

as much as we all love rafa, and it really was a no brainer that we should have brought him iback nstead of rodgers, it was'nt due to rafa G&H went, it was due to pure harsh economic reality, they never had the means to sustain their ownership of the club, whoever was the manager was

fair enough, i would probably have taken the piss myself in your position given what i said, but you must agree if FSG are speaking to the likes of tompkins, and the dickhead does'nt know what he is talking about, it cant be a good thing for the club, surley

actually lifetime_fan i was'nt, i am a trained statistician, and it this modern phenomenon of dickheads likes tompkins trying to promote their views on supposed valid statistical studies, when really what they are writing is total crap, is leading to fans judging players and managers on totally mis-interpreted facts. I actually did my degree thesis 20 yrs ago on trying to analyse football statistically, my final conclusions were i came up with nothing, it was impossible to do due to so many unquantifyiable variables, i thought i had fucked my degree up big time. My lecturer said to me i had learned the most important thing a statistician can learn, when to realise a subject is unsuiable for statistical analysis, and for that conclusion, i got a 1st! and even tough i am a scouser and i wa sbrought up in townsend lane in anfield , i went to an ivy league university in the U.S, not a mickey mouse former poly, and i have had a very succesful career since then, so i do know what i am talking about

altough you are taking the piss lifetime_fan, i agree with you, footbal is something that can never be reduced to pure statistics, you will never get it right by statistcal analysis, and i say that as a statistican, it's all about human interpritation of the game, basically something the likes of geniuses like shankly had and me and you dont!