Kenny Dalglish: I respect refs no more.....

[Guest TK-421]

Goooooooooooooooood.

[navbasi]

Here's the other cuntish article in the Independent.. Wonder if he's offered and apology/explanation as well..

 

Kenny's from heaven? Er, not exactly

 

Mon, 12 Sep 2011

 

Kenny Dalglish, Liverpool legend. He rescued us from Roy Hodgson and will return us to the promised land of a top-four finish in the League and a natural resumption of Champions League hostilities in 2011-12. Our rightful place, where we belong.

 

That is how it looked to the bewildered fans at Anfield in January this year after the car-crash reign of Hodgson had mercifully ended. And that is how it felt on the Kop when Dalglish's temporary role became permanent in May."King Kenny" was back. What could go wrong?

 

But the facts - as yet - do not back up the blinkered idolatry. The defeat against Stoke City here on Saturday was Liverpool's eighth loss in 28 matches since Dalglish sifted through the Hodgson debris and embarked on his emergency salvage operation.

 

Perhaps 14 wins and six draws are the better stats to view but do not forget, either, the tame exit from the Europa League last season against Sporting Braga, of Portugal, and the 2-0 home defeat against Spurs that threw away qualification for the same competition this season. Champions League it ain't but, it's Europe, Liverpool's previously perennial playground.

 

And did not Dalglish spend £55.5m this summer to revamp his squad? Which, so far, has produced a 1-1 home draw with Sunderland, a 2-0 win over an imploding Arsenal, a 3-1 stroll at Exeter City in the Carling Cup, the same scoreline at home to Bolton ... and a put-me-down in the Potteries.

 

Reputable names may ripple through the Liverpool ranks but it is very much a work in progress. Restoring former glories can take years and perhaps Dalglish needs to infuse just a smidgeon of the Stoke spirit into the genetic make-up."That's the DNA of the club," said Stoke's manager, Tony Pulis. Without that stirring DNA, an ingrained defiance of all supposedly superior beings, Stoke would not have survived. But once Jamie Carragher had clumsily felled Jonathan Walters, and Walters had thundered in the penalty, Dalglish's best-laid plans hung by a thread."It was a bit harsh," said Carragher."We have had one [penalty] go against us and a couple not go for us."

 

Dalglish simply demeaned himself by claiming a kind of conspiracy against Liverpool from match officials in each of their opening four League matches. Get real, Kenny. Once upon a time, was it not the "big four" clubs that had all the big decisions go in their favour? Of course it was.

 

But, of course, once upon a time, Liverpool were a "big four" club. On Thursday, in Champions League week, Stoke go to Dynamo Kiev in the Europa League. The Liverpool players, er, have the evening off. As the Second Coming of Dalglish, the legend, takes shape, he still has much to prove.

 

Scorer: Stoke City Walters pen 21.

 

Substitutes: Stoke Wilkinson 6 (Huth, 65), Jones 6 (Etherington, 67), Palacios (Delap, 71),. Liverpool Bellamy 5 (Henderson, 67), Carroll 5 (Kuyt 67), Johnson (Skrtel, 82).

 

Booked: Liverpool Suarez.

 

Man of the match Shawcross. Match rating 8/10.

 

Possession: Stoke 41% Liverpool 59%.

 

Attempts on target: Stoke 1 Liverpool 11.

 

Referee M Clattenburg (Tyne & Wear)

 

Attendance 27,592.

 

The Independent

[Vivaldo]

Spineless article without the authors name. Fucking cunt!

[russ1979]

Here's the other cuntish article in the Independent.. Wonder if he's offered and apology/explanation as well..

 

Kenny's from heaven? Er, not exactly

 

Mon, 12 Sep 2011

 

Kenny Dalglish, Liverpool legend. He rescued us from Roy Hodgson and will return us to the promised land of a top-four finish in the League and a natural resumption of Champions League hostilities in 2011-12. Our rightful place, where we belong.

 

That is how it looked to the bewildered fans at Anfield in January this year after the car-crash reign of Hodgson had mercifully ended. And that is how it felt on the Kop when Dalglish's temporary role became permanent in May."King Kenny" was back. What could go wrong?

 

But the facts - as yet - do not back up the blinkered idolatry. The defeat against Stoke City here on Saturday was Liverpool's eighth loss in 28 matches since Dalglish sifted through the Hodgson debris and embarked on his emergency salvage operation.

 

Perhaps 14 wins and six draws are the better stats to view but do not forget, either, the tame exit from the Europa League last season against Sporting Braga, of Portugal, and the 2-0 home defeat against Spurs that threw away qualification for the same competition this season. Champions League it ain't but, it's Europe, Liverpool's previously perennial playground.

 

And did not Dalglish spend £55.5m this summer to revamp his squad? Which, so far, has produced a 1-1 home draw with Sunderland, a 2-0 win over an imploding Arsenal, a 3-1 stroll at Exeter City in the Carling Cup, the same scoreline at home to Bolton ... and a put-me-down in the Potteries.

 

Reputable names may ripple through the Liverpool ranks but it is very much a work in progress. Restoring former glories can take years and perhaps Dalglish needs to infuse just a smidgeon of the Stoke spirit into the genetic make-up."That's the DNA of the club," said Stoke's manager, Tony Pulis. Without that stirring DNA, an ingrained defiance of all supposedly superior beings, Stoke would not have survived. But once Jamie Carragher had clumsily felled Jonathan Walters, and Walters had thundered in the penalty, Dalglish's best-laid plans hung by a thread."It was a bit harsh," said Carragher."We have had one [penalty] go against us and a couple not go for us."

 

Dalglish simply demeaned himself by claiming a kind of conspiracy against Liverpool from match officials in each of their opening four League matches. Get real, Kenny. Once upon a time, was it not the "big four" clubs that had all the big decisions go in their favour? Of course it was.

 

But, of course, once upon a time, Liverpool were a "big four" club. On Thursday, in Champions League week, Stoke go to Dynamo Kiev in the Europa League. The Liverpool players, er, have the evening off. As the Second Coming of Dalglish, the legend, takes shape, he still has much to prove.

 

Scorer: Stoke City Walters pen 21.

 

Substitutes: Stoke Wilkinson 6 (Huth, 65), Jones 6 (Etherington, 67), Palacios (Delap, 71),. Liverpool Bellamy 5 (Henderson, 67), Carroll 5 (Kuyt 67), Johnson (Skrtel, 82).

 

Booked: Liverpool Suarez.

 

Man of the match Shawcross. Match rating 8/10.

Possession: Stoke 41% Liverpool 59%.

 

Attempts on target: Stoke 1 Liverpool 11.

 

Referee M Clattenburg (Tyne & Wear)

 

Attendance 27,592.

 

The Independent

 

 

yeah right

[Mr Mojo]

I know some on here have no time for Tomkins but here's his response to the two articles.

 

Maybe it’s the incredible start made by the Manchester clubs, or maybe it’s just that there are a lot of idiots out there. But I cannot abide the doom and gloom that follows one bad result, particularly when it was not a bad performance.

 

It’s not just the knee-jerk fans on Twitter, whose reaction to anything less than 114 points a season is rapid implosion; two respected broadsheet newspapers ran execrable pieces on the Stoke game.

 

Russell Kempson, writing in the Independent, sets the scene by paraphrasing Liverpool fans:

 

“Kenny Dalglish, Liverpool legend. He rescued us from Roy Hodgson and will return us to the promised land of a top-four finish in the League and a natural resumption of Champions League hostilities in 2011-12. Our rightful place, where we belong.”

 

Having set Dalglish up to be a man who can do no wrong in the eyes of Kopites, he then says:

 

“But the facts – as yet – do not back up the blinkered idolatry. The defeat against Stoke City here on Saturday was Liverpool’s eighth loss in 28 matches since Dalglish sifted through the Hodgson debris and embarked on his emergency salvage operation.”

 

Eight defeats? Sounds bad. Sounds terrible. Sack him! What’s next, Russell?

 

“Perhaps 14 wins and six draws are the better stats to view…”

 

Incredible – just truly incredible. Why would you focus first on the negative, taking it out of context of the overall picture, which is not negative when view as a whole? Surely the wins, draws and defeats are all part of one single reality?

 

Up to a certain point, the amount of games lost has no bearing on league success; the table works on points won. You could lose 8 games and win 30, and you’d win the title. (Liverpool lost only 2 games in 2008/09, fewer than the champions, but that didn’t stop Rafa getting criticised; Liverpool were excellent that season, but sadly for us, United were slightly better.)

 

Kempson sets the scene with talk of the top four. His entire argument, set out by that paragraph, relates to qualifying for the Champions League. So why isn’t he focusing on league form? Why is he including the Europa League, which was of little consequence last season, and cup games, which included a visit to Old Trafford as soon as the manager had stepped into the breach? You don’t qualify for the Champions League by winning cups.

 

Liverpool, who currently sit 5th (miles away from the top four, clearly, although my maths can’t calculate the distance), have won 40 points in 22 games since Dalglish returned.

 

Over 38 games, that would equate to 69 points. And in the history of the Premier League since four spots were available, 69 points has meant certain Champions League qualification.

 

Let’s go back, and remind ourselves of what Kempson said:

 

“But the facts – as yet – do not back up the blinkered idolatry.”

 

… Except they do, if the blinkered idolatry referred to was outlined in the opening gambit. I mean, if you’re going to use facts, at least get the bloody things right.

 

But there’s more. This is 69 points (pro rata) achieved without Steven Gerrard for all but a couple of games.

 

It is 69 points (pro rata) achieved with an injury crisis at the end of last season, and a squad that included a mix of the sublime, the good and bad signed by Rafa, and the raft of duds signed by Hodgson, none of whom feature anymore. It included a month with no fit strikers, as Fernando Torres slung his hook.

 

It also ignores the fact that Liverpool absolutely smothered Stoke, with the vast majority of the possession, territory, shots (11 on target to one for Stoke – the penalty) and corners, but a case when finishing, rather than tactics, let the club down. Had the incredible Luis Suarez not missed a good chance at the death – in keeping with when Steven Gerrard hit the post at 0-0 on the same ground with the last kick of the game following ‘Rafa’s rant’ – then there’d be no story here. Instead, there’s a storm.

 

Whether or not Dalglish repays the fans’ faith and idolatry is yet to be decided. But so far, all the evidence – which Kempson refers to, but fails to correctly analyse – actually disproves the author’s own thesis. (Or, should that be, half-arsed idea scratched on the back of a fag packet?)

 

Dalglish took over when the Reds were 12th. He took them up to 6th, and now has the team sitting 5th. Obviously this is the clear pattern of a man who doesn’t know what he’s doing – who is ruining our club while we blindly sing his praises.

 

But it gets worse. Writing in the Guardian, Sachin Nakrani said:

 

“…That may come as a relief to the 60-year-old [Dalglish] but for his admirers there may remain concern over his loss of temper, the sense, even, that for the second time in two decades the task of managing Liverpool is proving too great a responsibility for the club’s greatest player.”

 

Wow. I mean, seriously. Wow. Manager loses temper after defeat and shows frustration with officials. It can only mean one thing: he’s having a nervous breakdown and cannot handle the pressure.

 

In which case, roughly half of the Premier League’s managers have a nervous breakdown every weekend, and come May, each and every one of them therefore needs be sectioned for his (and society’s) safety.

 

To bring up Dalglish’s post-Hillsborough stress is despicable. In the aftermath of the tragedy his management was affected, because he was still living amidst the consequences and was physically ill from the stress of having to deal with the deaths of almost 100 Liverpool fans. But 22 years have passed. If anything, the experience should now make him stronger and wiser. To any sane observer, that seems to be the case.

 

When things aren’t going his way, Alex Ferguson rants and raves at journalists, swearing at them, and when he’s upset with his players he throws boots in their faces, but he’s just a winner, showing his winning mentality; not ‘losing the plot’ in the way that others are when they show a bit of emotion. Dalglish moans that, for the 4th game running the Reds have been denied either a penalty or an opposition red card, and he’s having some kind of mental collapse that suggests he can’t handle the job. Whether or not he is right about the refereeing decisions, he’s just doing what managers do.

 

So, dear readers, I apologise for my optimism under Dalglish, which has seen me claim that the Reds can reach the top four under his guidance, after the nightmare of being a bottom-half team last season before his arrival.

 

Clearly, having read this morning’s newspapers, he’s ruining Liverpool, and needs to be sacked forthwith. I hear that Roy Hodgson won a game this weekend; presumably he’s now the man for the job?

[mypost]

Two more linesmen at each end and some sort of technology would help this. It's at least worth the debate or an inquiry of some sort, isn't it?

 

We have two more refs behind each goal in European competitions. All they do is stand around and watch the game, instead of make decisions.

 

You're not doing so, but arguing against technology at games, is like arguing against Air Traffic Control. I find it laughable that FIFA are so resistant to tv evidence deciding incidents, but will do anything for them to cover games throughout the world.

 

Being called Fergie is supposed to annoy him. Pompous old twat wants everyone to call him Sir Alex as a sign of respect.

 

I call him "Saddam". It describes him perfectly.

 

One tyrant ran a dictatorship, didn't tolerate any dissent, held permanent grudges against those that crossed him, and resorted to anything to get his way.

 

The other ran a small country in Asia.

[the walsh]

that wanker graham poll in the mail saying the ref called the peno decsions correct seriously we need to starting acting a bite cuntish being nice is getting us nowhere.

[goatboy59]

Kenny's a cunt.

[goatboy59]

Actually I never meant to say Kenny was a cunt, and I've horrified it has been interpreted this way.

[Anubis]

Actually I never meant to say Kenny was a cunt, and I've horrified it has been interpreted this way.

 

Can you invite us to smack you now? Just so the circle is complete.

 

 

P.S I plan to tkae both of you up on the offer.

[goatboy59]

Yeah go on, hit me on the chin

 

[Anubis]

Ok.

 

 

[razor]

Hey, guys, hands up, yeah, you got me, I made like a mistake, yeah?

 

But, guys, yeah, I will still be supporting Liverpool in the big games.

 

I'm still 'down' and all, yeah?

 

Are we cool?

 

 

 

*I'll buy some Trab Tribs, then they'll accept me as their own...*

[Hermes]

Very disappointed in Kenny on this. I thought he would be above all this "we're being victimised" crap.

[razor]

Very disappointed in Kenny on this. I thought he would be above all this "we're being victimised" crap.

 

Is that really your opinion?

 

Have you looked at this situation in the round? Have you looked at this situation at all?

 

Perplexing to say the least.

[Hermes]

Is that really your opinion?

 

Have you looked at this situation in the round? Have you looked at this situation at all?

 

Perplexing to say the least.

 

Does he, you or anyone else think referees give decisions based on which team is playing? It's ridiculous. They make mistakes like anyone else. If we get a few in our favour is he than going to do an interview saying how the refs favour Liverpool?

[piscinin]

Does he, you or anyone else think referees give decisions based on which team is playing? It's ridiculous. They make mistakes like anyone else. If we get a few in our favour is he than going to do an interview saying how the refs favour Liverpool?

 

You don't have to believe they give decisions based on who is playing to realize that you can gain an advantage by putting pressure on referees. It's like diving or hanging a leg out there, if you don't do it you are at a disadvantage and it will continue until the authorities stop rewarding it.

[Skidfingers McGonical]

Very disappointed in Kenny on this. I thought he would be above all this "we're being victimised" crap.

 

He's not saying were being victimised though is he. He's saying that in every game contentious decisions have gone against us, but he can't saying anything as he's not allowed to. So he's going to see the board first before he does say anything and see how the club can debate this.

 

You massive tool.

[Mr Mojo]

This is the way I see it.

When the referee is not completely sure of a decision, he should not give it. The majority of referees will however give this decision if it is favour of Man Utd due to the complete shit storm it causes for them in the aftermath should it be incorrect (getting their names dragged through the press, their integrity questioned, sometimes fitness and usually not be given such a game again in a long time). If the team is Liverpool though, due to the fact Kenny is so nice and non-confrontational in the face of such decisions, they will not award it, overall putting LFC at a disadvantage to other such teams that act like cunts.

[zico]

Nice boys finish last, always has always will.....

[navbasi]

I'm glad Kenny's put it out there.. basically a warning shot.. "Don't fuck with me... as I will fuck you up...."

[LFC64]

Kenny is only pointing out the same 'FACTS' about Ferguson that Rafa got crucified for.

 

Ferguson has unrivalled power in the game and none is more devious with it. 2attributes which mean he has more influence over referreeing issues than any other manager by far.

 

If you can't bet them join them is I think what Kenny is saying.

 

Someone who texted into Radio Merseyside last night summed it up ...

' Only the squeaky wheel ever gets the oil' !

[dalglish2rush]

that article by sachin nakrani is bang out of order...he needs to be contacted about this!

ive sent him a few words on twitter already.

i know some people on here know him well. tell him to sort his head out ffs,and apologize

[05 Milan]

Does he, you or anyone else think referees give decisions based on which team is playing? It's ridiculous. They make mistakes like anyone else. If we get a few in our favour is he than going to do an interview saying how the refs favour Liverpool?

 

I agree with Hermes, the voice of reason.

 

Apart from Howard Webb of course, that fucker is bought.

[.G.]

When I was about 6 years old my mother told me; respect has to be earned.

 

If somebody spits in my face, I don’t thank them for doing it. If referees disrespect us by their constant shit displays then why should we respect them?

 

It’s as simple as that.

 

Amen.

 

Th FA seem to think that just cos someone dons a ref's uniform and takes charge of a game that they should automatically be entitled to everyone's respect as a professional.

 

They should earn it like every other professional in the world has to earn it.They should also be required to explain their decisions after a match like the managers have to.And for fucks sake FIFA hurry up and give them all the help that technology can provide to reduce mistakes as much as possible.