Racism in Southern America..

[Grinch]

2 minutes ago, BeefStroganoff said:

I agree. I've been labour all my life but when the right start making more sense you have to wonder...

 

The hypocrisy is the bit I'm having real difficulty with but it seems like others are happy to gloss it over. I mean if we want to talk slavery, wheres the modern movement to remove human trafficking, grooming gangs, forced labour and child slavery?

 

And what about the biggest killer of black people in the United States? Oh that would be Black People. 90% in fact.

 

Oh and what about the Black Cop who died the other week, Underwood, who died defending a building? Or the many ethnic business owners who lost their livelihoods through the riots?

 

Not a fucking peep.

 

And you know why? Because it doesn't further the goal or the agenda. In the States this is being weaponised by the left against the right for the ferocious desire to remove Trump, just like they've done with Covid. A political war thats as bad as I've ever seen it, the dislike by both groups is truly off the scale. And it stinks.

 

Now i don't give a crap about Trump either way but it also shows that there is no real desire for change by the people who could do something about it. If Biden gets in he won't change a thing, just watch. Politicians really don't give a shit.

 

To be honest the whole thing is a shitshow, no one wins, it just fractures communities more and more. The States does have a problem still, but I don't believe its the same over here at all. Its my kids and future generations i feel sorry for.

 

Out of rep

[BeefStroganoff]

57 minutes ago, Aw Geez said:

This coming from a guy who thinks racism doesn't exist because or personal accounts of a few black people saying so.

Do their opinions not count?

[Grinch]

1 minute ago, Neil G said:

What kind of prick claims to support the Palestinians and then repeats lazy right-wing tropes about black people, even using the racists’ own language about them.

 

Even your avatar is a giveaway. Not a Palestinian flag like others on here have had, but an anti-Israel one. No solidarity, just hate and bile.

 

Change it you fraud.

 

No, I won't change it just because I won't fit into you're little bubble and agree with everything you say is right.

 

Clowns to the left of me, jokers to the right.    Get used to a tory goverment cause my view is actually the popular one and unfortunately there's no voice of reason.

 

 

[Rick Sanchez C-137]

21 minutes ago, BeefStroganoff said:

Do their opinions not count?

 

Don't be so obtuse. Of course they do. They don't define the experiences of everyone else in the world who have been held back because of racism.

[Grinch]

6 minutes ago, Aw Geez said:

 

Don't be so obtuse. Of course they do. They don't define the experiences of everyone else in the world, who have been held back because of racism.

 

It doesn't fit into your views you mean.   You'd rather martyr a career criminal, whose lucky his head wasn't caved in long ago when he held a gun to a pregnant woman's bump, than listen to the views of a black man whose made something of his life.

 

He's done this by educating himself and going after what he wants, rather than whining constantly about how the world owes him a living. 

[BeefStroganoff]

7 minutes ago, Aw Geez said:

 

Don't be so obtuse. Of course they do. They don't define the experiences of everyone else in the world, who have been held back because of racism.

Equally your claim that everyone in the world being held back by racism is a sweeping statement. Not everyone has. And not everyone has for the colour of their skin but for a multitude of things including their looks, disability, personality, education and even how they talk. We judge people all the time outwardly and our opinions of people are made in the first 30 seconds of meeting them.

 

if someone doesn't give me a job because they don't like the twang of my scouse accent, or i've got grey hair is that discrimination?

 

Thats human nature.

[Rick Sanchez C-137]

Just now, Grinch said:

 

It doesn't fit into your views you mean.   You'd rather martyr a career criminal, whose lucky his head wasn't caved in long ago when he held a gun to a pregnant woman's bump, than listen to the views of a black man whose made something of his life.

 

He's done this by educating himself and going after what he wants, rather than whining constantly about how the world owes him a living. 

 

I, nor the majority of people, believe this BLM protest is about George Floyd in particular. His murder was the straw that broke the camels back. His cries during his struggle to breath and live, rallied people from around the world. They fact that he was a criminal is irrelevant. He was unarmed, cuffed, face down, and squeezed to death.

 

You can go back to contradicting yourself again, saying both that racism exists, and that there's nothing holding a black person back. Incredible stuff.

[Rick Sanchez C-137]

1 minute ago, BeefStroganoff said:

Equally your claim that everyone in the world being held back by racism is a sweeping statement. Not everyone has. And not everyone has for the colour of their skin but for a multitude of things including their looks, disability, personality, education and even how they talk. We judge people all the time outwardly and our opinions of people are made in the first 30 seconds of meeting them.

 

if someone doesn't give me a job because they don't like the twang of my scouse accent, or i've got grey hair is that discrimination?

 

Thats human nature.

 

Excuse the comma, "everyone who has" not "everyone, who has".

 

And yes, if you pick up an attribute that's irrelevant and use it to judge someone unfairly, yes that's discrimination. How does the scouse argument mean black people don't deserve equality?

[Grinch]

1 minute ago, Aw Geez said:

 

I, nor the majority of people, believe this BLM protest is about George Floyd in particular. His murder was the straw that broke the camels back. His cries during his struggle to breath and live, rallied people from around the world. They fact that he was a criminal is irrelevant. He was unarmed, cuffed, face down, and squeezed to death.

 

You can go back to contradicting yourself again, saying both that racism exists, and that there's nothing holding a black person back. Incredible stuff.

 

Rallied a lot of fucking idiots into protesting in the middle of a pandemic.  They should change their slogan to "no lives matter"

 

 

[Anubis]

31 minutes ago, BeefStroganoff said:

 

The hypocrisy is the bit I'm having real difficulty with but it seems like others are happy to gloss it over. I mean if we want to talk slavery, wheres the modern movement to remove human trafficking, grooming gangs, forced labour and child slavery?

 

 

So, apart from numerous organisations devoted to human trafficking, media, and pretty much every international and local law enforcement agency seeing it as a major issue, not to mention high profile films, TV series and documentaries, and the Citizen's Advice Bureau, where is the modern movement to remove human traffiking...

 

A sample.

 

https://www.modernslaveryhelpline.org/about/the-problem/human-trafficking

 

https://www.crs.org/stories/stop-human-trafficking

 

https://www.antislavery.org/slavery-today/human-trafficking/#:~:text=Human trafficking is the process,for financial or personal gain.

 

https://www.stopthetraffik.org/about-human-trafficking/the-scale-of-human-trafficking/

 

https://www.citizensadvice.org.uk/immigration/trafficking/report-human-trafficking/

 

https://humantraffickinghotline.org/what-human-trafficking

 

https://www.forbes.com/sites/ewelinaochab/2020/05/11/the-hidden-victims-of-covid19-human-trafficking-and-modern-day-slavery/

 

https://www.theguardian.com/law/human-trafficking

 

https://www.independent.co.uk/topic/people-trafficking

 

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/human-trafficking/

 

https://www.nidirect.gov.uk/articles/human-trafficking

 

https://www.nationalcrimeagency.gov.uk/what-we-do/crime-threats/modern-slavery-and-human-trafficking

 

https://www.interpol.int/en/Crimes/Human-trafficking/

 

https://www.fbi.gov/investigate/violent-crime/human-trafficking

 

https://www.dhs.gov/blue-campaign/what-human-trafficking

 

https://www.cps.gov.uk/legal-guidance/human-trafficking-smuggling-and-slavery

 

https://www.merseyside.police.uk/advice/advice-and-information/ms/modern-slavery/

 

https://www.cambs.police.uk/information-and-services/Modern-slavery/Trafficking

 

https://www.scotland.police.uk/keep-safe/advice-for-victims-of-crime/human-trafficking/potential-signs-of-human-trafficking/

[Rick Sanchez C-137]

8 minutes ago, Grinch said:

Rallied a lot of fucking idiots into protesting in the middle of a pandemic.  They should change their slogan to "no lives matter"

 

I'm not going to defend any individuals actions. I'm saying i haven't suffered what they have so i can't possibly understand what it feels like to be oppressed for my whole life.

[BeefStroganoff]

10 minutes ago, Aw Geez said:

 

Excuse the comma, "everyone who has" not "everyone, who has".

 

And yes, if you pick up an attribute that's irrelevant and use it to judge someone unfairly, yes that's discrimination. How does the scouse argument mean black people don't deserve equality?

So do i deserve equality? Or because I'm not black and scouse, it doesn't count?

 

The point I'm making is discrimination is discrimination and its as old as time and deep rooted. You will only get change through common sense, not by revolt. 

 

Like the Grinch says, it starts with yourself, are you going to let the world kick you down or are you going to do something about it without resorting to violence? Plenty of people have done this.

 

John Barnes is a great example. He was getting shot down right and left for his views the other day by his own. This is a guy who walked through it and won hearts and minds, who talks with compassion and common sense and isn't quick to condemn and judge.

 

 

[Rick Sanchez C-137]

4 minutes ago, BeefStroganoff said:

So do i deserve equality? Or because I'm not black and scouse, it doesn't count?

 

The point I'm making is discrimination is discrimination and its as old as time and deep rooted. You will only get change through common sense, not by revolt. 

 

Like the Grinch says, it starts with yourself, are you going to let the world kick you down or are you going to do something about it without resorting to violence? Plenty of people have done this.

 

John Barnes is a great example. He was getting shot down right and left for his views the other day by his own. This is a guy who walked through it and won hearts and minds, who talks with compassion and common sense and isn't quick to condemn and judge.

 

Honest if you're going to reply again with the scouse stuff, just fuck off. It's incredibly stupid. I'm Irish, I'm not going to compare my situation to black people.

 

And holding a black SPORT STAR up as an example of someone overcoming systematic racism (should he have had to endure the racism, regardless?) only serves to show your naivety.

[BeefStroganoff]

4 minutes ago, Anubis said:

 

So, apart from numerous organisations devoted to human trafficking, media, and pretty much every international and local law enforcement agency seeing it as a major issue, not to mention high profile films, TV series and documentaries, and the Citizen's Advice Bureau, where is the modern movement to remove human traffiking...

 

A sample.

 

https://www.modernslaveryhelpline.org/about/the-problem/human-trafficking

 

https://www.crs.org/stories/stop-human-trafficking

 

https://www.antislavery.org/slavery-today/human-trafficking/#:~:text=Human trafficking is the process,for financial or personal gain.

 

https://www.stopthetraffik.org/about-human-trafficking/the-scale-of-human-trafficking/

 

https://www.citizensadvice.org.uk/immigration/trafficking/report-human-trafficking/

 

https://humantraffickinghotline.org/what-human-trafficking

 

https://www.forbes.com/sites/ewelinaochab/2020/05/11/the-hidden-victims-of-covid19-human-trafficking-and-modern-day-slavery/

 

https://www.theguardian.com/law/human-trafficking

 

https://www.independent.co.uk/topic/people-trafficking

 

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/human-trafficking/

 

https://www.nidirect.gov.uk/articles/human-trafficking

 

https://www.nationalcrimeagency.gov.uk/what-we-do/crime-threats/modern-slavery-and-human-trafficking

 

https://www.interpol.int/en/Crimes/Human-trafficking/

 

https://www.fbi.gov/investigate/violent-crime/human-trafficking

 

https://www.dhs.gov/blue-campaign/what-human-trafficking

 

https://www.cps.gov.uk/legal-guidance/human-trafficking-smuggling-and-slavery

 

https://www.merseyside.police.uk/advice/advice-and-information/ms/modern-slavery/

 

https://www.cambs.police.uk/information-and-services/Modern-slavery/Trafficking

 

https://www.scotland.police.uk/keep-safe/advice-for-victims-of-crime/human-trafficking/potential-signs-of-human-trafficking/

They are just organisations and web pages mate. Theres organisations and web pages for racism. Theres been next to no action taken.

 

Im talking a frenzied campaign to stamp it out, not just a few web pages and the odd article. 

[Bjornebye]

3 minutes ago, BeefStroganoff said:

So do i deserve equality? Or because I'm not black and scouse, it doesn't count?

 

The point I'm making is discrimination is discrimination and its as old as time and deep rooted. You will only get change through common sense, not by revolt. 

 

Like the Grinch says, it starts with yourself, are you going to let the world kick you down or are you going to do something about it without resorting to violence? Plenty of people have done this.

 

John Barnes is a great example. He was getting shot down right and left for his views the other day by his own. This is a guy who walked through it and won hearts and minds, who talks with compassion and common sense and isn't quick to condemn and judge.

 

 

I think as soon as you take Oyvind Leonhardsen off your avatar you might get less stick. 

[BeefStroganoff]

1 minute ago, Aw Geez said:

 

Honest if you're going to reply again with the scouse stuff, just fuck off. I'm Irish, I'm not going to compare my situation to black people.

 

And holding a black SPORT STAR up as an example of someone overcoming systematic racism (should he have had to endure the racism, regardless?) only serves to show your naivety.

Again, no reason, just anger.

[BeefStroganoff]

2 minutes ago, Aw Geez said:

 

And holding a black SPORT STAR up as an example of someone overcoming systematic racism (should he have had to endure the racism, regardless?) only serves to show your naivety.

Tell John Barnes that when you meet him.

[Rick Sanchez C-137]

Just now, BeefStroganoff said:

Again, no reason, just anger.

 

Reason for what? You didn't actually say anything. You just basically implied if you're oppressed then pull your bootstraps up and work your way out of it because you're scouse blah blah. it's nonsense.

[Rick Sanchez C-137]

2 minutes ago, BeefStroganoff said:

Tell John Barnes that when you meet him.

 

What are you talking about

[AngryOfTuebrook]

8 hours ago, Neil G said:

Yes yes, very good. 

 

Just because a conservative black man co-opted by a batshit right-wing lobby group has a problem with the way some white people talk about the phenomenon, doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist.

Some white people... and many, many black people.

[BeefStroganoff]

1 minute ago, Aw Geez said:

 

Reason for what? You didn't actually say anything. You just basically implied if you're oppressed then pull your bootstraps up and work your way out of it because you're scouse blah blah. it's nonsense.

I said theres no reasoning with you, no common ground. Just anger and frothing because I'm not seeing it your way.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

Is Grinch Hades now?

[BeefStroganoff]

4 minutes ago, Aw Geez said:

 

What are you talking about

Im talking about the way John Barnes conducts himself.

[Karl_b]

Just now, BeefStroganoff said:

I said theres no reasoning with you, no common ground. Just anger and frothing because I'm not seeing it your way.

Ha! Lack of self awarenesses, much?

[BeefStroganoff]

1 minute ago, Karl_b said:

Ha! Lack of self awarenesses, much?

In what way? I agree theres a problem, just not a sweeping one that justifies mass protesting hypocrites, puts everyone in the same boat and makes this country look totally fascist.

 

If you think whats happening now is progression and the way to solve this moving forward, well then great. But theres loads of other people suffering too.